Building single-plant growbox, I want your opinions!

thatdjsnow

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Fractus! Wow I havent been on much lately, ive missed out huh??

Looks awesome man - i need to post some pics of my plants - but my pc is under maintenance haha.
 

Fractus

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Dude I'm honoured to have a vet checking out my shit haha. Gypsy likes to keep an eye on me as well which is cool, like my guardian angel watching me in case I do something stupid. And he hasn't completely frowned on the way I did my flush yet so I think I'm safe haha. And I'm more than satisfied with my buds. Take a look today. No issues after the flush, she is LOVING life 36 hours later.



 

potlike

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:lol: There is only like 10 active members out of 160,000 with more posts than I have, regardless though, post count has nothing to do with experience. I'm really curious what thread you read this in, so if you ever see it again, send me a link. Also, not minding the pH is bad... maybe even holding you back from producing more bud. :lol:
not to mention his Salt(sodium) mixing with CHLORINATED water.... if I'm not mistaken you just did a good job making sodium chloride which is a component in weedkiller.

rofl


-potlike
 

Fractus

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Sodium Chloride IS SALT! Genius. Google it. Your opinions or FACTs are no longer welcome here. Minimally chlorinated water is no different than mixing salt with mineral water or distilled water or whatever else. It may throw your chemistry readings off a bit when doing precise measurements, which is why they use distilled water. If you have a sore throat you can mix salt with chlorinated and gargle it to ease the pain and disinfect. You are not gargling weedkiller lmao. Nice try though. Keep trying to stump me if you want but the fact is this: I'm not doing anything wrong.
 

bigjesse1922

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:lol: There is only like 10 active members out of 160,000 with more posts than I have, regardless though, post count has nothing to do with experience. I'm really curious what thread you read this in, so if you ever see it again, send me a link. Also, not minding the pH is bad... maybe even holding you back from producing more bud. :lol:
Listen well Fractus.

You say you have never had a problem with ph...how would you know if you never checked it?

Your ph could be ok in the sense that you are not having VISABLE signs of stress, but your plants still may not be uptaking nutes/h2o as efficently as they should.

It seems like you just want to do things your own way and then use the logic you used to arrive at that method as "facts."

Like assuming you "flushed" your plant with one "dunking."

If that was the case, why wouldn't we all just flush once a few days prior to harvest and call it good? The FACT is, to really flush your plant correctly, you have to run water through it, not dunk it.

So, like I have said, before you defend yourself with "facts," make sure they aren't just your own opinions based on your own logic.

Oh yeah and Gypsy wouldn't critique your flushing because he doesn't flush. Nor does he grow in soil. So just b/c he hasn't said you are wrong, doesn't mean you aren't. :peace:
 

GrowTech

stays relevant.
Dunking your soil in water for a little bit does not remove the salts or built up nutrients... It merely displaces them briefly.

Additionally... If you're not measuring your pH its likely your plant isn't receiving its full nutrient uptake, so flushing probably isn't that necessary to be honest... :roll:
 

Fractus

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I looked for an hour to try and find where I found this method but I can't find it. When I do I will post it for sure. You can believe I made it up if you want, I really don't care.

All I know is what's visible. I don't think it's having O2 or nute absorbency problems because she's growing like she's on steroids and I don't have any signs of deficiencies or any problems whatsoever. I don't have any signs of an off pH. I'm sure it isn't perfect but whatever my pH is at it clearly isn't doing her any harm. I also know that I did 3 full flushes by dunking (not one, bigjesse1922).

When you bring facts here to explain how what I said is false then I will believe you, but so far your only reasoning is that your way is better because you said so and a shower gets you cleaner than a bath. So are you saying baths are wrong?

GrowTech, can you to explain what that yellow water coming out of by drain holes contained, if it wasn't salt and built up nutrients?
If you're not measuring your pH its likely your plant isn't receiving its full nutrient uptake,
Measuring my pH won't make it any better if there isn't a problem with it. Who's to say my pH isn't at an acceptable level right now? Until my plant tells me otherwise I'm going to let her go. Also, don't plants adjust to their environments, just like people? If I grew her all the way up to now at 6.1, then 6.1 is what it is used to and anything other than that would seem abnormal to it, would it not?
 

bigjesse1922

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You didn't do three full flushes, you didn't even do one.

You think you know more about growing than anyone I have ever come in contact with, especially considering this is your first freakin grow (in which you managed to burn off the top of your plant).

I have given you plenty of facts and you have ignored them.
 

potlike

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You're doing a few bad things... you are over watering you will create nutrient lock in a few days because of excess salt... you can potentially create sodium chlorate (weed killer). Buddy I've backed up everything I have stated as facts but here are some references for you:

1. https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/85122-flushing-salt-out-soil-weekly.html

2. http://boards.cannabis.com/organic-growing/107442-flushing-question.html

3. http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37385

4. http://books.google.com/books?id=WRNNS2TUB3YC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=salt+marijuana+flushing&source=bl&ots=JKnvHgPzUT&sig=rumUd0kzzZfy6kCHtwpMIP_U9Y0&hl=en&ei=-1eoSrqAEpSinQf1idWWBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false

5. http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/flushing-soil-compost-t37162.html

6. http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=salt+marijuana+flushing&source=bl&ots=6hTHmZHGmo&sig=W5T221nw1y7M6aroPPOTunXZ1Ks&hl=en&ei=TFmoSrDFLYzSM8Sy3KII&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=salt marijuana flushing&f=false

7. http://forum.grasscity.com/sick-plants-problems/95026-periodic-flushing-clean-out-salt-buildup.html

8. http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?p=95438

9. http://books.google.com/books?id=fERzFsZhdxYC&pg=PA251&lpg=PA251&dq=salt+marijuana+flushing&source=bl&ots=t0StcrNJVo&sig=vs2AgyBWAHgRTM9StloqTijpaLo&hl=en&ei=TFmoSrDFLYzSM8Sy3KII&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#v=onepage&q=salt marijuana flushing&f=false

10. http://books.google.com/books?id=o29Wewf10ZQC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=salt+marijuana+flushing&source=bl&ots=B1z5hFWD4W&sig=rhjum9WVPgb3d0AFe2kW2aDMaB8&hl=en&ei=61moSs3gBIr8MIzktLEP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#v=onepage&q=salt marijuana flushing&f=false

I have 10 references that back up my claim that salt is bad and what you're doing is WRONG. How many more do you want? Have you produced one yet- no...

stop being a fucktard and do research before you open your mouth.

-potlike
 

GrowTech

stays relevant.
I looked for an hour to try and find where I found this method but I can't find it. When I do I will post it for sure. You can believe I made it up if you want, I really don't care.

All I know is what's visible. I don't think it's having O2 or nute absorbency problems because she's growing like she's on steroids and I don't have any signs of deficiencies or any problems whatsoever. I don't have any signs of an off pH. I'm sure it isn't perfect but whatever my pH is at it clearly isn't doing her any harm. I also know that I did 3 full flushes by dunking (not one, bigjesse1922).

When you bring facts here to explain how what I said is false then I will believe you, but so far your only reasoning is that your way is better because you said so and a shower gets you cleaner than a bath. So are you saying baths are wrong?

GrowTech, can you to explain what that yellow water coming out of by drain holes contained, if it wasn't salt and built up nutrients?

Measuring my pH won't make it any better if there isn't a problem with it. Who's to say my pH isn't at an acceptable level right now? Until my plant tells me otherwise I'm going to let her go. Also, don't plants adjust to their environments, just like people? If I grew her all the way up to now at 6.1, then 6.1 is what it is used to and anything other than that would seem abnormal to it, would it not?
I can tell just by looking at the plant that it's not as good as it could be. Also, a plants ability to uptake nutrients at certain pH levels does not adapt. If the pH is off, the plant will never be able to uptake the nutrients. The plant doesn't treat the pH as a channel, and just change the channel to uptake the desired nutrients. You don't seem to understand how this works.
 

potlike

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I can tell just by looking at the plant that it's not as good as it could be. Also, a plants ability to uptake nutrients at certain pH levels does not adapt. If the pH is off, the plant will never be able to uptake the nutrients. The plant doesn't treat the pH as a channel, and just change the channel to uptake the desired nutrients. You don't seem to understand how this works.
Don't worry GT supernoob is always right and knows more than everyone on this forum.

-potlike
 

bigjesse1922

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You don't seem to understand how this works.
I concur.

And what's shitty about that is several fold.

First and foremost, Fractus is a really smart guy and could be an excellent grower.

Second, I have really, along with MANY of us here, tried HARD to help you. Take it as praise; my HS football coach told me one time, "If I didn't think you were damn good and could be damn better, I wouldn't waste my breath yellin at you!"

And third, you are in a crucial phase in your grow. Doing things correctly or incorrectly now will have the most pronounced results for you compared to any other stage in the process. You have a chance to have a successful harvest on your first go, something not everyone has done.

I just wish you would drop your sense of superiority and realize that even though you are obviously intelligent, true intelligence is measured not by what you know, but by your ability to recognize that which you do not. :peace:
 

potlike

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I concur.

And what's shitty about that is several fold.

First and foremost, Fractus is a really smart guy and could be an excellent grower.

Second, I have really, along with MANY of us here, tried HARD to help you. Take it as praise; my HS football coach told me one time, "If I didn't think you were damn good and could be damn better, I wouldn't waste my breath yellin at you!"

And third, you are in a crucial phase in your grow. Doing things correctly or incorrectly now will have the most pronounced results for you compared to any other stage in the process. You have a chance to have a successful harvest on your first go, something not everyone has done.

I just wish you would drop your sense of superiority and realize that even though you are obviously intelligent, true intelligence is measured not by what you know, but by your ability to recognize that which you do not. :peace:
I could not have said it better myself.

-potlike
 

Fractus

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I can tell just by looking at the plant that it's not as good as it could be. Also, a plants ability to uptake nutrients at certain pH levels does not adapt. If the pH is off, the plant will never be able to uptake the nutrients. The plant doesn't treat the pH as a channel, and just change the channel to uptake the desired nutrients. You don't seem to understand how this works
You are right, I didn't understand how it worked and thank you for the explanation. I was really hoping someone would tell me something useful instead of just telling me I'm wrong. About the pH, is it worth the money to to buy a tester? Will the difference in end result for my plant be enough that it was worth spending that cash on it? I read that a good one would run me nearly 30-70$. Where I come from that's at 5-10 grams of dope lol. Why does nobody else seem to think my plant is having trouble absorbing nutrients? It seems healthy to me, and trichomes are everywhere! Even the leaves around the buds are covered..

I'm not here for sharing life morals though, this is the internet and it's my source of information. I do reasearch before doing things. My research tells me that what I did will work just fine for cleaning out salts. And not one of your sites says that what I did was wrong. Actually, did you even read your own links? The first one states that flushing prevents nutrient lock... And I didn't overwater, I rinsed, I just did it from the bottom instead of the top. What's the big deal? Either way saturates the soil and they will both equally water it. Doing a big flush like that is intentionally overwatering for the purpose of cleaning the soil isn't it?

true intelligence is measured not by what you know, but by your ability to recognize that which you do not
I believe that true intelligence is measured by your knowledge and common sense, paired with the ability to apply that knowledge to real-life situations. I used high school chemistry to figure out that the way I flushed WILL remove salt. Someone enlighten me on why what I did is wrong, but look it up before you say anything so I don't need to argue points like "it won't take the salt out" because if you read, you will find that chemically it will take the salt out because salt and other fertilizer ingredients are water soluble.

From your sixth reference:
"Chloride (chlorine) is essential to the use of oxygen in photosynthesis and it necessary for root and leaf cell division. Chloride is vital to increase cellular osmotic pressure, modify stomata regulation and augment plant tissue moisture content. A solution concentration of less than 140 PPM is usually safe for marijuana, but some varieties may show sensitivity when foliage turns pale green and wilts"
I happen to know that my tap water contains significantly less chlorine than 140 PPM and my plant is by no means pale. I'm not worried about my chlorine levels and never have been, nor have I worried about pH for that exact reason. My water is good.

Guys stop shooting at me here and actually help me. I'm not just going to believe you because you say that's the way it is, obviously. I don't know how much you know, or what you've tried. But if you haven't done this and can't prove physically how this is ineffective than stop telling me it's wrong.
 

tonetics87

Active Member
If you guys don't like this fool just don't post in his thread. Isn't it that simple? Personally, i don't like him simply because he sounds like a pompous douchebag. Regardless of how bright he might be. But that's just me.
He apparently has it all figured out. So just let him be. If his plant survives, then good for him. If it wilts and dies, then you guys can come back, laugh at him, tell him you told him so, and laugh at him some more.

Wouldn't that be fun?
 

Fractus

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thanks tonetics87, even if you don't like me, thank you for explaining how easy it would be for them to just leave because they are turning a learning thread into a debate and it's a waste of time and energy for both parties. What's done is done, I flushed it one way and you guys do it another way. Even though mine won't hurt it. Just check this thread for days to come and you'll see that evrything is fine. By the way it's almost time to water again because my soil is pretty much dry now. Tomorrow I'd like to try giving it some molasses, if I plan on giving her 1.5 gallons of water, how much molasses should I put it in with it? I won't argue I promise :P
 

bigjesse1922

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Dude....you just don't get it...

Salt is water soluble, yes. But it doesn't instantly dissolve.

You can't just dunk a whole container that has been nuted with granular MG nutes 3 times and think that has dissolved all the salt.

I put 1 tsp of my granular Beastie Bloomz in a half gallon of water and it takes 10 minutes to dissolve. And that one feedings worth.

Also, as SOME of the salt dissolves when you dunk your container, when you lift it back up out of the water, the soil will catch a good amount of the salts in the water.

Think about it. When you nute your plants you usually don't have run off as there was no drainage.

I DO have drainage, and when I water I get 10-25% run off. Do all those water soluble nutes just run out the bottom???

NO! They bond with the soil and feed my plant. Are you getting some of the salt out? Yeah I am sure you are. But to assume that all the salt will just dissolve because its water soluble is false.

If you don't get it now...then I'm done tryin to explain it and your plant can just do with what it has!!
 
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