Cali connection

colocowboy

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I wish you did too, it is unfortunate that Swerve is how he is! I won't defend him as a person and I don't blame anyone who doesn't like him an wants nothing to do with him. He earns that all day!
Sorry again RB, sometimes you know!?! lol
Here's some TCC pron; I only know these are amongst the best I have ever had period, and that deserves a bit of props!
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Don't hate,
masturbate!
puff, puff, pass!
bongsmilie.... both those are FIYAH!
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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DSCF0466.jpgyeah i gro fire too brah. nice bud pics tho. what two strains was it? the chem 91 and 818?

n/m i see its osd and btog. must be buddha t and orig sour d.
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

Well-Known Member
how did those end up yielding? like in comparison to other strains uve grown. osd looks like it yielded quite well. i almost tried the buddha tahoe a while back before all the fuss, i figured that one to be a bit lower yielding without a longer veg eh?
 

siouxme

Member
I will never understand all of the drama in this business. I've yet to purchase a single CC bean due to a lot of hermie reports I've read, and due to the way I've seen swerve talk to people on forums. There are too many other choices out there to be supporting an arrogant arse. If he did in fact dime someone out, then that's another good reason not to do business with him.

BUT, as far as genetics go, who cares??? If you buy a pack of seeds and they grow out trouble free, get you high as fuck, and have everything else you're looking for in a plant then why should I be concerned with it's lineage? Does it improve the buzz knowing that it's the "real deal verifiable" OG dogfart sinmint blah blah blah? I base my opinion of a strain on the tangible qualities of the plant/flower, not on some stupid story of where the plant originated. Great weed is great weed no matter if it came from a pack of CC beans, or a clone that's been hoarded in some stoners basement for decades.
Agreed. And Agreed on the hoarding. However, in the case of CC it's not just about legit or hoarding or whatever. It's about him ratting out another in the cannabis community because of ego. And it's about him coming in and publicly blasting customers that support him when he has faulty gear. And as for tall tales, CC's swerve is the master of them. He even tried to say his cookies were the same in taste and aroma when the small inside group with cookies were passing it out, and all could see it was different. He tried to save his arse by mumbling something about 'different mediums' before exploding in frustration, "Get outta my booth". Hahaha. He looked like he might cry.

He built his business on bashing other companies like Dinafem who has had solid gear. So much emphasis on real or not real, then he came out with fake cookies, got blasted on it then threw a hissy fit. Too many quality companies to donate top dollar to such arrogant, lying companies that do the industry so much harm. The mafia imagery does the industry a lot of harm as well, as does the calling a half breed the same as the parent.
 

siouxme

Member
Whats dumb is flapjacks that will troll with other peoples experience and that anyone with something positive to say gets shit on. The reason it seems bad is people like you act like a echo chamber for the least common denominator. Your argument is as weak as your apparent experience in the topic at hand. I don't have to buy shit, I bought one pack each and got reliable stellar results. Says you that you don't have to sort phenos for other companies! Shows your lack of experience even farther!

Accusing me of being a shill while you peddle others experience is stupid as your claims!

No buddy, you're extreme defensive posture in support of $120 packs of herm, falsified genetics, name-game gear from a guy who RATTED on another and has done great harm to the cannabis business makes no sense. And so if you think fanboy is too harsh then sorry. I did say people can choose how they want to blow their money however they want to blow it.

If you read my post, I acknowledge the positives. Whereas your post is about defending your right to love TCC. You don't deny you're a fanboy so why the fuss. Don't fall into the trap of getting defensive of Cali Con because you hate to admit they conned you for your hard earned cash brah. Chalk it up as a loss and move on, and be determined not to let the Fredo con run that scam on you again.
 

siouxme

Member
Nice. Can't go wrong line-breeding SD really, especially if you don't have access to the real ECSD/SD. Heard RP was fire, Rez was fire, and even Fredo gear was fire. Should it be called SD when it's Sour Kush x SD? I don't agree with that because it creates a mess in the market but I guess none of that matters to some. It does to most of us. And we also refuse to support people who did a few dozen nasty things to other people in the community.
 

MrPuffPuff

Member
Ordered, germed, 2 weeks from flower Cali Connection GSC. Hav had zero problems this far and are some healthy looking girls. So far a good experience with Cali Connection.

Fingers crossed they're not herms.
 

colocowboy

Well-Known Member
No buddy, you're extreme defensive posture in support of $120 packs of herm, falsified genetics, name-game gear from a guy who RATTED on another and has done great harm to the cannabis business makes no sense. And so if you think fanboy is too harsh then sorry. I did say people can choose how they want to blow their money however they want to blow it.

If you read my post, I acknowledge the positives. Whereas your post is about defending your right to love TCC. You don't deny you're a fanboy so why the fuss. Don't fall into the trap of getting defensive of Cali Con because you hate to admit they conned you for your hard earned cash brah. Chalk it up as a loss and move on, and be determined not to let the Fredo con run that scam on you again.
I aint your "brah", my post was more about a level head to the trash being talked. Somehow it's only ok for folks to berate others and not ok for someone to say something positive. I defend the fact that these beans were not only quality, heads above so many others. I am not going to berate you as I have already stood down on the subject out of respect, though you certainly deserve to be handed a bit more truth!
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
I aint your "brah", my post was more about a level head to the trash being talked. Somehow it's only ok for folks to berate others and not ok for someone to say something positive. I defend the fact that these beans were not only quality, heads above so many others. I am not going to berate you as I have already stood down on the subject out of respect, though you certainly deserve to be handed a bit more truth!
Thanks colocowboy.. :)
 

siouxme

Member
I aint your "brah", my post was more about a level head to the trash being talked. Somehow it's only ok for folks to berate others and not ok for someone to say something positive. I defend the fact that these beans were not only quality, heads above so many others. I am not going to berate you as I have already stood down on the subject out of respect, though you certainly deserve to be handed a bit more truth!
Forget the "somehow" vague interpretations that are coming from your projection of insecurities. I've repeated time and again, we're each entitled to our opinions, and I respectfully disagree that Cali Con is somehow heads above the others. Have you grown Green Gage? Newer OG Raskal? JJNYC? BB Genetics? The elite clones?

I'm not being elitist, but if you have had experience with clone only's that have been selected from one in 1000, or carefully selected derivatives thereof, you would realize CC which has hit everything with SFV OG, which in MY opinion was poorly line bred, is decent to good at best. Not worth top dollar.

But this is all moot. We both agree that Swerve is a bad guy. It goes beyond that, and it is not sinking in with you. You somehow believe the merits of decent gear that you think is arguably superb, deserves more talk and attention. And we are saying there is no quality of genetics, and it is mediocre here and overpriced, that justifies supporting someone who has turned in a fellow grower in the community. A snake. A rat. A snitch. The harshness of the tone towards you has little to do with you, or people's opinions that you are or aren't entitled to your opinions. You certainly are. No one is saying positive things can't be pointed out. But when you keep hearing falsely that we're saying his gear is complete sh_t which I am not saying, and you keep pointing time and time again how great Cali Con is, there is only one of two conclusions: 1. You are defensive because you hate to hear how mediocre the gear is and how CC should NOT be supported at ANY cost, and because you WASTED money on Cali Con, or 2. You are a shill.

Cali Con is mediocre, and that is clear from the people with little experience who are saying how GREAT Cali Con is versus the people who have grown a much broader range of rarer clones and superior, and cheaper gear such as OGR, JJNYC, Motarebel, BBGenetics, GGG, Bodhi, etc. If you're telling me you grew many GGG and Bodhi strains and yet CC and clone only 5k or abusive or poison og or thin mint cookies clone only, and Cali Con was heads and tails above, then I will eat my words. It still does not change the fact that Cali Con is undeserving of ANY promotion and ANY further business from anyone who cares about the community above and beyond just getting some good genetics, which can be had if you breed and have patience, and make friends with those in the community.

Out of respect, it is you that needs further truth. About how Swerve snitched out Capt. Crip an ex-partner, and how he snitched out another guy in the UK, how he slammed HSO and Dinafem. How he slammed those that provided him genetics that made his most popular strains. The list goes on and on. We don't disagree he is a bad guy. But 'mean' doesn't cut it. No quality of genetics would justify anyone on RIU or any other forum buying his gear. And that IS my opinion. If you disagree and want to keep buying his gear, I have little respect for your ethical priorities. I also question your taste and experience, if you think CC is excellent, but that is not a matter to get in a fight about now is it. I'm done here.
 

siouxme

Member
Ordered, germed, 2 weeks from flower Cali Connection GSC. Hav had zero problems this far and are some healthy looking girls. So far a good experience with Cali Connection.

Fingers crossed they're not herms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb2ghQy4O_8

Sorry you got had. Most people who buy cookie seeds are looking for some link to the real thing and they will be sorely disappointed when they realize Swerve lied and they paid top dollar for a name-game lie. Otherwise it is just a name. If it turns out decent, and I hope it does for your sake, it doesn't make it real cookies, and that shouldn't really matter. Just please don't hand out clones as GSC, because CC's pack is NOT that.


More to the point though, please, no future support for someone who would turn you in in an instant. He's done it a few times before, and would do it again. He has no loyalties except to money.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=111168

Yes4prop215 got it right: "please do not waste your money on Cali Connection cookies....you might have had decent luck DJ but seriously please do not support that snitch. i dont care if someones beans had uniform frosty plants, i will never spend a dime on a good for nothing rat snitch connartist. 8 out of 8 members found this post helpful."
 

The Pipe

Well-Known Member
i know that it is not the real deal... swerve even says so in his description... it was a freebie so no loss smokes fine... no one lied to me lol i knew what i was getting and growing... no hermies very little budrot finished in my area on time and smokes 7.5/10
 

siouxme

Member
good to hear that. he said 'original thin mint cut' not the 'forum cut' so I'm sure he tried to pull a fast one on some people. glad it's common knowledge that most his stuff is 'not the real deal'.
 

dubcoastOGs

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One of the local dispensaries nearby always tries to push their beans on me. Some things interest me, But I think you can find better stuff elsewhere, for a better price also. I don't trust them. There's too many so-called breeders, that are really just pushing out F1 hyrbids, with no interest in creating an actual strain that will still be around 5-10 years from now. It's too time consuming to stablize genetics, so they just keep generating f1 hybrids, picking their choice female, and then try to sell you feminized seeds.

IMO the future cannabis genetics are at serious risk due to the unstablized f1 hybrids being whored out into the public, and the feminized seed revolution that we're seeing.

Find a breeder that doesnt offer feminized seeds. It's in that commitment to the plants genetics, that you'll find true fire.
 

Clankie

Well-Known Member
... There's too many so-called breeders, that are really just pushing out F1 hyrbids, with no interest in creating an actual strain that will still be around 5-10 years from now....
Right, just like how the work of those silly European F1 breeders like Sensi and Mr. Nice just faded away by the roadside. That's why its so easy to score Block Head beans these days, right? I am getting really sick of this complaint, if you want to work lines, do it yourself. The reason a lot of breeders don't work lines, or release their worked lines to the public, is because of the way that other seed companies work and rerelease the genetics of other breeders. This is the same reason why a pack of Soma's regular NYCD or Amnesia beans will set you back $250, because he wants you to really fucking work for it if you want an incredibly dank amnesia haze or NYCD male. The last thing most breeders want is for another person to start a seed line with their genetics. With a worked strain to an F4 or higher, one could basically do an open pollination of a pack of beans and come out with a batch of roughly similar (some better, some worse, but similar) F5s. If you do an open pollination with a pack of F1s, or don't really know what you are doing selection-wise, you can barely expect your F2s to resemble (at best) the F1 beans, as the results of all the beans produced in this manner (no matter how many) will only contain the genetic material of the parents used in the cross, and some phenotypes found in the F1 will be lost in the process. IBLs and worked lines are nice for the hobbyist breeder because they are good way to get a handle on male plant selection, without too much insane risk of picking a shit male and getting a huge pile of birdseed. Many breeders do refine their males to an F3 or F4, so as to pass characteristics on to, but not dominate, in the hybrids with that male. However, they frequently do not release the generation that their male is from to the public, which is what gives some people the impression that there is no actual line working going on.
 

dubcoastOGs

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Right, just like how the work of those silly European F1 breeders like Sensi and Mr. Nice just faded away by the roadside. That's why its so easy to score Block Head beans these days, right? I am getting really sick of this complaint, if you want to work lines, do it yourself. The reason a lot of breeders don't work lines, or release their worked lines to the public, is because of the way that other seed companies work and rerelease the genetics of other breeders. This is the same reason why a pack of Soma's regular NYCD or Amnesia beans will set you back $250, because he wants you to really fucking work for it if you want an incredibly dank amnesia haze or NYCD male. The last thing most breeders want is for another person to start a seed line with their genetics. With a worked strain to an F4 or higher, one could basically do an open pollination of a pack of beans and come out with a batch of roughly similar (some better, some worse, but similar) F5s. If you do an open pollination with a pack of F1s, or don't really know what you are doing selection-wise, you can barely expect your F2s to resemble (at best) the F1 beans, as the results of all the beans produced in this manner (no matter how many) will only contain the genetic material of the parents used in the cross, and some phenotypes found in the F1 will be lost in the process. IBLs and worked lines are nice for the hobbyist breeder because they are good way to get a handle on male plant selection, without too much insane risk of picking a shit male and getting a huge pile of birdseed. Many breeders do refine their males to an F3 or F4, so as to pass characteristics on to, but not dominate, in the hybrids with that male. However, they frequently do not release the generation that their male is from to the public, which is what gives some people the impression that there is no actual line working going on.
my Friend, I understand what your saying. But please allow me to disagree and voice why.

your eyes seem to be fit with dollars bills. I'm sure you love cannabis, like the rest of us. But my interest is for the species itself. As a so called "Breeder", you take on the responsibilites of furthering goodness for the genepool, and continuing it's success in potency, flavor, odor, etc, etc. you know the rest. If all you wanna do is play in your closet, creating one off f1 hybrids that absolutely could not be replicated without the original parents, and maybe even not then, then fine. But that's not breeding is it? That's doesn't seem to have anything to do with dialing down a smell, or color, or flavor. It's childsplay.

Breeders don't stabilize their strains not in fear of other people ripping off their work, or creating their own seedlines with em. That's flatterly, and what every real breeder should want. It's a mark in history. Name a breeder that doesn't want their strains to be around 30 years from now. Breeder's don't stabilize their strains because to most people, it really doesnt matter, and anyone who knows what's really going on, doesn't seem to care enough to call them on their shit. It's fast and easy money. There's hardly any work. Hmmmmm, I like this strain, and this one taste good also, cross them, and bam $10/bean. Even more greedy, are the so called breeders releasing f2's of their work. I'm familiar with many of the terms you speak of, and in terms of variations. what good is it doing for a strain/breeder, having a variety of a particular strain (f2's) pumped out into the world? All that results in, is a bastardization of the strain, and who knows what pheno you'll get when you pick up a clone, or sprout a bean. It will be inconsistent, people will stop caring, and the strain will dissapear.

Even so in the immediate future, breeders are gonna run out of stabilized strains to breed their hybrids with. Sure, they can stabilize the parents for themselves, but then what's the point really. f1's will start looking like f2's, no body will give a shit what the genetics are. No one will have the time to pheno hunt through thousands of plants, looking for a choice-select pheno with no future to build a room full of clones.

I guess looking back on both our replies, the need for both worlds exist. If breeder's spent all their time stabilizing strains, then I'm sure we would not have seen some of the most popular and potent ones we smoke today. Forgetting that most of them are clone only anyways ;) For as we both know, it's in the f2 where magic starts to appear. I do also think, that without the stabilzation of certain genetics, everything will be mixed, nothing will be consistent, no strains will exist - how could they? they're all temporary crosses, and anything worth keeping around, will have to be done so in clone form. That's not really any good for the species.

which strain is that? yeah, but which one? but what pheno? Huh?

Breeders basically own people with this shit. They own the genetics, and the ability to reproduce the strains. We will be at the mercy to them. We will eat what they feed us, without the ability to create for ourselves.

I love cannabis too much to watch this happen. I think if you truly knew as much as you thought you did (don't try to impress us with general breeding knowledge) then you would perhaps agree as well.

If you want to be called a breeder, you work the fucking lines! In any other context (tomatoes, horses, dogs, etc...), you'd be laughed out of business.

Get real.

I love you.
 

colocowboy

Well-Known Member
^^ That is your altruistic view of the topic, unfortunately life trends toward the power of greed and the truth of breeding effort. How is it not breeding to establish a sales line that cannot be easily duplicated and at the same time represents the intended cross? You have expressed a lot of ignorance in one post dubcoast, not really even worth responding to. You should probably get a book and read it, I recommend Robert Connell Clarke's book "Marijuana Botany", it will set you straight on most of your misguided outlook.

It's unfortunate that the industry doesn't look at it like you wish they did, but when does the human race rise to the occasion of doing what's best for the majority?
 
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