CALLING ALL Californians

I love absolute statements by manufacturers.

From the LUSH LED website.

Lush LED’s have already been tested and proven to work better than all other types of light!

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That should settle it. Now you can buy with confidence.

chazbolin said:

I love absolute statements by manufacturers.

From the LUSH LED website.



That should settle it. Now you can buy with confidence.

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lol. yeah. gotta love those claims.

gualapa said:

The exact opposite will happen in 2016. This is the stellar petition. If you want a shitty one made by the people with money, wait until 2016. You're not making any sense. Why would a company go to the federal supreme court to test if a worker is high at work? The whole point is about being tested about previous use, whether it was last night or the night before. Obviously you cannot be high at work, just like you cannot be drunk at work either. Except there's no THC blood content minimum, nor is there a reliable commercial way to check anything other than who has smoked within the last month. The only way to check is through that good old metabolyte test that only declared whether or not you have smoked at some point.


Are you kidding? You didn't read a single thing I wrote, allow me to repeat for a third time. NO one cares about getting tested for being high at work.............. It's about being tested for previous use, like last night, when you weren't at work. You can't get fired for that. Jesus jumping christ, you haven't poked a hole in anything my friend. If it's federally illegal, then you're still breaking a law and can be fired. It's that simple.Federal law still trumps state law.

I mean seriously..... why do you think us stoners want to avoid drug tests? For being high at work? Come on.... it's bout outside use, which will be legal if this is passed. Read the initiative. The Supreme Court has nothing to do with state laws, otherwise the Supreme Court would've blocked Washington & Colorado's legalization. The supreme court doesn't just rule on every law passed. Someone has to challenge it and bring it to the federal level. The federal supreme court has great influence on laws; provided they get challenged long enough to make it up to that level in the judicial system. If you doubt that, then see brown v. board of education; it overturned more than a few state laws.

If you have any more concerns, however nonsensical, please post them here. I value your opinion just as much as anyone else's.

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See the red.

Dan Kone said:

They sell them right on their website.

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sorry no they don't .. they have a 3rd party company that can make custom arrays but not custom diodes

if we dont legalize next im gunna personally slap every cannabis user and grower who voted against it....and im slappin u with muh cock!

This is exactly why we have secret ballots. So the cock slappin don't get outta hand!

gualapa said:

Hemp's coming whether you like it or not bro. 2014 or 2016. I'm sure there's a way around it having your crops pollinated, like not planting within x miles of a hemp farm. It's not like there's gonna be a hemp farm on every acre of the state nor even every county

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actually this is a huge problem in spain where they grow alot of hemp they dont cull males from fields and the pollen can drift hundreds of miles in the wind hemp x your dank = bunk

Dan Kone said:

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. CCHI is pretty decent. It releases people from prison and wipes their records. If for no other reason, do it for the convicted.

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this is wise and honorable. peace to you dan,
best of luck cali,
Be easy,

gualapa said:

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2) You're making assumptions on how urine testing will work out. You're saying that if they think you're high at the work place, they test you, you smoked 3 days ago, you're done. Well, that's your assumption. The initiative clearly states this will not be allowed, but no one knows how shit will play out until it actually comes up

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it is quite possible to develop blood and saliva tests for thc proper, not a metabolite, that could easily be used by companies in need of such services.

kpmarine said:

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blood and saliva tests actually exist, though they aren't widely used.

I'll bet a case of doughnuts that the next opportunity CA gets to vote on legalization it gets struck down by greedy cannabis growers.

If its a shady bill like the last one. I will vote no like the last one
if it benefits us on legalities.. I will vote yes.

with medical we are still more legal than the legalized states. We can possess more and grow more

My ultimate decision will come after I have read the entirety of the bill and understand it. Like Hyroot, I will not vote for a shady bill or anything that sets us back further. Sure I would like prices to stay high but that is not actually what I base my vote on. I realize that legalization is coming. Not if, when. And while my one vote won't change anything, my conscience will be clearer if I vote yes on a bill that is fair all around. Or as much as it can be. Now before you start telling me that this bill IS fair, go back to my first sentence.

(Actually, I am afraid of Miscbrahs weenie getting out because no one voted!)

hyroot said:

If its a shady bill like the last one. I will vote no like the last one
if it benefits us on legalities.. I will vote yes.

with medical we are still more legal than the legalized states. We can possess more and grow more

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"if it benefits us on legalities"-----wut, my weenies at the ready

hyroot said:

If its a shady bill like the last one. I will vote no like the last one
if it benefits us on legalities.. I will vote yes.

with medical we are still more legal than the legalized states. We can possess more and grow more

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This is a big problem. Growers vote no on legalization unless they see profits.

IMO it's not big business acting shady when it comes to legalization, it's growers.

Dan Kone said:

This is a big problem. Growers vote no on legalization unless they see profits.

IMO it's not big business acting shady when it comes to legalization, it's growers.

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/debate......do it because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO.....marijuana users aren't criminals and growers/users alike who are imprisoned because of these absurd laws is just WRONG.

growers whos vote down legalization, move out of legal states if profit is all you care about.......there is so much more business opportunity in a legal market anyways, use your fucking heads.....

im so close to pullin out my willy mithrandir

Serious question: Are there enough growers out there that if they vote no, will swing the vote?

Opportunities in a legal market. I am unsure on this one. If legalization regs allow smaller commercial ops, say 10 - 20 K flowering watts, and the permit fees are kept under 5K, I can open a legal grow op. But beyond that would be of my reach in terms of start up money.

Mithrandir420 said:

Serious question: Are there enough growers out there that if they vote no, will swing the vote?

Opportunities in a legal market. I am unsure on this one. If legalization regs allow smaller commercial ops, say 10 - 20 K flowering watts, and the permit fees are kept under 5K, I can open a legal grow op. But beyond that would be of my reach in terms of start up money.

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business opportunity /= how much you can grow

business opportunity in a legal market meaning there will be a huuuge number of new marijuana industries to work in and start a business in......NOT EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND HOW MUCH A SINGLE PERSON CAN GROW AND PROFIT.......if that is all anybody is worried about in a legal marijuana market, is how much money they can stand to make or lose, go move to a non legal state or a completely illegal state if all you care about is money, seriously. there is a much bigger picture here than worrying about whether closet growers will still be able to make a living growing pot. it's super selfish

I never said I wasn't considering other factors such as releasing people from jail. That's another subject. But be serious, everyone needs to make a living. Everyone needs a retirement account, unless you like working when you're 80. I am asking for peoples' opinions because I truly do not know what other opportunities there are. I work for a large company in the IT department. I am not a closet grower selling to dispensaries. I am not in the industry, I don't have the inside info that some people like you and DanKone have. This is why I asked.My grow is personal and medical and legal. I am looking at opportunities because I would like to not work for a large corp anymore. That I am asking these things does not mean that I am disregarding anything else or being "super selfish".

While I never mentioned closet growers, how much money you can stand to make or lose is still a very important question. Everyone needs to make a living. And it's the garage and small warehouse growers that have been the backbone of this industry for 30 years. We can at least give them a tip of the hat while we put them out of business.

Maybe you're reading too much into my posts.

miscbrah3284 said:

/debate......do it because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO.....marijuana users aren't criminals and growers/users alike who are imprisoned because of these absurd laws is just WRONG.

growers whos vote down legalization, move out of legal states if profit is all you care about.......there is so much more business opportunity in a legal market anyways, use your fucking heads.....

im so close to pullin out my willy mithrandir

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It's laziness IMO. If people would get off their asses and form their own legal companies they wouldn't have anything to worry about when it comes to legalization. A lot of growers want to get paid like professionals but don't want to act like professionals. They want to kick back and get high all day, work their garden for an hour or two a night, then live the life. I'd like that too, but that's not the way the real world works.

If you want to remain a professional grower, you have to act like you're running a business. Many just act like they are drug dealers. These are the same people who constantly complain about "big marijuana corporations taking over". Preventing "big cannabis" from pushing you out of the business isn't complicated, it's just a lot of work that people aren't willing to do.

As of now "big cannabis" doesn't even exist. A dispensary isn't big cannabis. It's just a store. It might look big to some people but in reality it's not. Phillip Morris isn't coming to take over with their mythical Marlboro Greens. Those never existed. This is all just a tactic a lot of growers use to keep cannabis a black market product so they can make money without actually having to work 40 hours a week.

I don't care if people want to be black market growers/dealers. If that's the life that works best for them then I wish them the best of luck. It has no effect on me, I'm good with it. But I don't want to go to jail or even be treated like a criminal so they can live the life. I also want all those black market and medical growers/sellers released from jail and their records erased because I don't think they should be criminals either. I think black market growing/selling should be a civil offense payable by fine instead of jail. It should be a ticket like speeding.

This version of legalization actually does most of that. It frees people from jail and erases their records. Many of these people are no different from you or me, they just got unlucky. This could have happened to any of us if we were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They deserve freedom.

It's profoundly selfish to oppose freeing these people from jail because people are too lazy to treat growing as a real career.