Can Abiotic stress Elicitors make a difference (lets say yes)

BBQtoast said:
Why you got to spam us, there's plenty of other species and areas and interests but it has to be cannabis specifically.

LEDs UV ir and now electro water, is there nowhere else you tossers could fuck off and bother because we've had enough interest and advancements were good till 2121.

Is it because we have money and the average Tom grower would never be interested in buying lies and rubbish. As soon as someone makes the claim or talks complete led bollocks or water I just wish this wasn't a social site but an institution where you have to physically prove something to science not growers.

Fuck off and come back when your product is global and science tells me not another led salesman!
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Yet another twat, ain't sellin nuttin no lights no fucking systems if you don't believe in something that could actually be different. Because everything has been invented there cannot be anything invented such blinkered fucking vision go fuck yourself!!
 
harrythehat said:
Yet another twat, ain't sellin nuttin no lights no fucking systems if you don't believe in something that could actually be different. Because everything has been invented there cannot be anything invented such blinkered fucking vision go fuck yourself!!
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I think the main issue everyone has is you haven't even completed the grow or multiple for that matter which would prove something.

It's still mid 1st grow. Even if this plant is wonderful it doesn't prove anything until you have repeated the process many times on clones while you also do it the regular way with multiple clones from the same mother side by side to prove what you believe are findings.

Right now it's just a plant that's not done. That's the truth of the matter.

I am not trying to be a dick. I am only putting things in perspective.

Good luck with your experiment.
 
Wizzlebiz said:
I think the main issue everyone has is you haven't even completed the grow or multiple for that matter which would prove something.

It's still mid 1st grow. Even if this plant is wonderful it doesn't prove anything until you have repeated the process many times on clones while you also do it the regular way with multiple clones from the same mother side by side to prove what you believe are findings.

Right now it's just a plant that's not done. That's the truth of the matter.

I am not trying to be a dick. I am only putting things in perspective.

Good luck with your experiment.
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Hi Your right spot on and answered with decency rather than idiocy. Yes have jumped the gun a bit, (one of the troubles with being Bipolar) have used this system many times probably 100 ish crops and know pretty much what it will do and will show good for the little amount of wattage over it.
Photographs are deceptive and dont really give a true picture.
Unfortunately have moved away from clones favouring seeds, next crop will be done from seedlings day one on the system
Can see your intelligent to that I give intelligent answers. Dickheads get the fuck off treatment.
Thank you for your input. Hopefully others will read and it may help the DHs.
The Hat.
 
harrythehat said:
Hi Your right spot on and answered with decency rather than idiocy. Yes have jumped the gun a bit, (one of the troubles with being Bipolar) have used this system many times probably 100 ish crops and know pretty much what it will do and will show good for the little amount of wattage over it.
Photographs are deceptive and dont really give a true picture.
Unfortunately have moved away from clones favouring seeds, next crop will be done from seedlings day one on the system
Can see your intelligent to that I give intelligent answers. Dickheads get the fuck off treatment.
Thank you for your input. Hopefully others will read and it may help the DHs.
The Hat.
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There are many scientific plant institutions who will accept your study and results if they are validated and verified.

Why the fuck you, LEDs, UV need to come here to sell your wares and not the scientific community which has in-depth study in ppfd UV ir and electo conduction is clearly evident of your lack of support from them even exspulsion for talking shit.

I'll buy my truths from someone that counts, Samsung, Hlg, solacure and the others like mars and SF have bullshitted the last few years, I need only go to their site and read their hatred.

I can get the same shit from a bag of soil and hid, that's why they still sell that stuff!
 
MidnightSun72 said:
lol while I don't know about static water. What do you have against LEDs? I understand they are expensive compared to HPS lights that work fine the way they do already. But high efficiency LEDs make more umols/watt than HID no matter what way you slice it. So while there is a lot of bullshit LED marketing LEDs are still a fantastic light source and can suit environments and shapes not otherwise possible with an HID setup. Everything has its place and dismissing new technology and discouraging discussion on a forum is self defeating.
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See above^^^
 
BBQtoast said:
See above^^^
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M8 how many times have i got to say
AM NOT SELLING LEDs UVs OR SYSTEM'S lets get that straight
this is purely an experiment utilising static electricity in water, now if you don't believe it cannot be done far enough that's your opinion
there are plenty of experiments showing people using DC electrocuting plants this can be seen in the living soil with vermiculture wriggling in pain
a few got it right. but static is different it is only positive and they have not sussed how to use it yet , I have.
Moved away from HPS as 2 x 600 is too much power in the area and cannot achieve in the conditions i have, maximum output. So as the figures work out yes there expensive but long lasting and cheaper to run. Have adopted LED and a lower wattage of 480 watts over 40 sq foot. I will be running this experiment to the end regardless of the abuse I welcome intelligent remarks, but if you wish to leave abusive remarks i will fuck you off and block you simples.
 
Few months ago, when we had a discussion on moonlight, there was a source speculating about the cause or nature of its effect, as they could proove that neither gravity, nor the weak photoreceptor-stimulation, was responsible for the effect that plants grow better during the times of fullmoon.
And the suspected underlying mechanism had something to do with the moonlight being able to slightly change some of the electrical properties of water.
 
harrythehat said:
Yet another twat, ain't sellin nuttin no lights no fucking systems if you don't believe in something that could actually be different. Because everything has been invented there cannot be anything invented such blinkered fucking vision go fuck yourself!!
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I remember when everyone said that about the guy who pressed rosin with a hair straightener and made fun of him. Now it's a million/billion dollar industry js
 
Gemtree said:
I remember when everyone said that about the guy who pressed rosin with a hair straightener and made fun of him. Now it's a million/billion dollar industry js
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I remember the recent claims of UV increasing thc by 30%, I see all the followers starting the UV cult up again, I remember years ago everyone trying the same UV and spectrums.

Until you can prove I should pay attention 90% of this is rubbish and that seems to happen a lot here.

Let's talk about cannabis shisters, much more validated that this rehash.
 
BBQtoast said:
I remember the recent claims of UV increasing thc by 30%, I see all the followers starting the UV cult up again, I remember years ago everyone trying the same UV and spectrums.

Until you can prove I should pay attention 90% of this is rubbish and that seems to happen a lot here.

Let's talk about cannabis shisters, much more validated that this rehash.
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Yeah but as long as it's not hurting anyone why not experiment. Reminds me when there was a guy trying to figure a way to electrocute bugs off the plant
 
BBQtoast said:
I remember the recent claims of UV increasing thc by 30%, I see all the followers starting the UV cult up again, I remember years ago everyone trying the same UV and spectrums.

Until you can prove I should pay attention 90% of this is rubbish and that seems to happen a lot here.

Let's talk about cannabis shisters, much more validated that this rehash.
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There's no getting around the fact a high end LED can put out the exact same PPFD, with a great spectrum, as any HID while using half the electricity if you account for extra ventilating needed for HID.
You can get an LED that will grow the same quality, and size bud, pay some extra $ up front for your light, and have it pay itself off in 2 years on the difference in the electric bill alone.
I for one, upgraded from my 1000w HPS to 850 w of SF LED and I am blasting my girls with way more light than my 1000 could ever get close to putting out.
And a better light distribution on the canopy too
 
Water is slightly bi-polar
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meaning the nutrition ions are also surrounded by it, in varying decrees. This makes the nute ions larger and this carries heavy consequences for the rivalry of either kat- or anions before being transported inside the plant. An atom or molecule larger in volume is more likely to be caught by an ion pump.
 
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ said:
There's no getting around the fact a high end LED can put out the exact same PPFD, with a great spectrum, as any HID while using half the electricity if you account for extra ventilating needed for HID.
You can get an LED that will grow the same quality, and size bud, pay some extra $ up front for your light, and have it pay itself off in 2 years on the difference in the electric bill alone.
I for one, upgraded from my 1000w HPS to 850 w of SF LED and I am blasting my girls with way more light than my 1000 could ever get close to putting out.
And a better light distribution on the canopy too
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The spectrum is shit why you need close to a 800w in led to equivalent HPS. Hlg was a flop at 600 and we all saw the butt humping from members and lack of understanding ppfd even at the least.

If spectrum was better 3umol LEDs would outgrow HPS by 33% and they don't

Buying LEDs thinking you know what ppfd isnt helping anything but the pockets of Hlg in this case, hid is close enough still and we haven't even discussed CMH with your precious UV.

I just grow I don't jump any light but I can jump those that hump idiots and Hlg, everyone does it's getting trendy.
 
Gemtree said:
Yeah but as long as it's not hurting anyone why not experiment. Reminds me when there was a guy trying to figure a way to electrocute bugs off the plant
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Are we in the dark ages, we have grown long enough not to redo things that don't work. Right now solacure is spinning in money and everyone isn't getting their 30% extra thc. I'm sure personally some are hurt, I bet buying blurples hurt, ph'ing soil lots of harmless shit that you then find out is minimal and you look a tool for endlessly saying it.

I move you all form a more agriculture cannabis based board not one that can't even get soil right and where advertising tells you what to say not experience.
 
BBQtoast said:
Are we in the dark ages, we have grown long enough not to redo things that don't work. Right now solacure is spinning in money and everyone isn't getting their 30% extra thc. I'm sure personally some are hurt, I bet buying blurples hurt, ph'ing soil lots of harmless shit that you then find out is minimal and you look a tool for endlessly saying it.

I move you all form a more agriculture cannabis based board not one that can't even get soil right and where advertising tells you what to say not experience.
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Sound like an old guy stuck in his ways.
I have yet to see any reputable scientist or researcher agree with you.
Any one who knows LEDs and has researched lighting as a career knows LEDs are a far better option. And you are some grumpy guy on a forum... I think I know who I will get my information from.
 
BBQtoast said:
The spectrum is shit why you need close to a 800w in led to equivalent HPS. Hlg was a flop at 600 and we all saw the butt humping from members and lack of understanding ppfd even at the least.

If spectrum was better 3umol LEDs would outgrow HPS by 33% and they don't

Buying LEDs thinking you know what ppfd isnt helping anything but the pockets of Hlg in this case, hid is close enough still and we haven't even discussed CMH with your precious UV.

I just grow I don't jump any light but I can jump those that hump idiots and Hlg, everyone does it's getting trendy.
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reckon you look at light the wrong way. light is what we see its not what the plant gets she gets electromagnetic energy waves and absorbs those particles. as we do and get vit D. Take away the shite energy waves she does not need and its not light anymore. Take the green side of energy waves they give depth of penetration believe it or not.
To me LED is a purer form of energy wave and better for the plant. Does it or does it not need more wattage, thats what am all about finding.
 
ÒÒlegilizeitÒÒ said:
Sound like an old guy stuck in his ways.
I have yet to see any reputable scientist or researcher agree with you.
Any one who knows LEDs and has researched lighting as a career knows LEDs are a far better option. And you are some grumpy guy on a forum... I think I know who I will get my information from.
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Man i reckon your spot on about the lights and its proven.
BBQ also has a relevant point that should not be missed.
"I move you all form a more agriculture cannabis based board not one that can't even get soil right and where advertising tells you what to say not experience."
Soil is a nightmare product to grow plants in. So so many variants and problems the book is that thick me feet dont touch the floor if i sit on it.
Here's a thought.
Should forums be split into the many different soil types to give peeps a chance to get it right as what you do in one soil you may not do in another.

Hydroponics is a different kettle and sings from one song sheet. Got a problem. Change the nutrient Problem solved. (pretty much).
Again it's got a bad reputation from idiots who do not now how to use it. Or have built a system wrongly and it does not work so NO HYDROPONICS WORKS and that rep has got around.

Unfortunately we will never change advertisers or advertising. Once growers realise NPK grows plants and pretty coloured bottles do not, then we may start getting somewhere.
 
BBQtoast said:
I remember the recent claims of UV increasing thc by 30%, I see all the followers starting the UV cult up again, I remember years ago everyone trying the same UV and spectrums.

Until you can prove I should pay attention 90% of this is rubbish and that seems to happen a lot here.

Let's talk about cannabis shisters, much more validated that this rehash.
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You sure are an opinated noob.
 
Kassiopeija said:
Water is slightly bi-polar
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meaning the nutrition ions are also surrounded by it, in varying decrees. This makes the nute ions larger and this carries heavy consequences for the rivalry of either kat- or anions before being transported inside the plant. An atom or molecule larger in volume is more likely to be caught by an ion pump.
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Can see this is getting your grey matter moving. Theory for the system I built came from a way back in history. Like 3500 years ago. It was the worlds first hydroponic system and got forgot about. This was the Hanging gardens of Babylon. It has a technique in hydroponics that got lost.
I renamed this Nutrient Trickling Technique.
N.T.T
How does it differ.
HGB was a staircase. roots will not follow a staircase they leave air gaps
water will flow wherever, running over all the surfaces. When running over the roots it builds friction. Friction builds static fact!. Hence why your gas and water pipes are earthed.
found after building the system and because of how it is built. it is also a static generator.
How much static is built, do not have a scooby do. Would think your picture of that young girls hair standing, could be too much. How do you measure static? Its only positive and i dont have a meter for it.
Do know if you get it wrong static will decimate the roots, done it myself reconfiguring the system so drew this as words can be confusing.
 

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