can an led light match a 1000 wat hps

Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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gwheels said:
We pay a lot more for hydro electricity. Peak time is 26c/kw

My house hydro costs 180 a month and thats ac tv and grow lights.

But i am running 500 watts this time. All cob quantum srip. Lets aee what happens. Just flipped a week ago.

I used 315 watts before and now 480 to 580 watts in flower
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that is quite expensive , in your case i can see wanting to use LEDs to get the maximum from the electric, where i'm at it's around 9c per kwh so really no point to use LEDs.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Flowki said:
Quick update. I've pulled a few strings down at the brothy and I am very pleased to announce that @Kingrow1 is now eligible for attention seekers allowance. If he attends the first three appointments he will then be able to apply for a craver loan around Christmas time. Fucking Santa taking all the credit..
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Because of the recent led debate some members on this thread are actually giving way better info opinion and advice, maybe you'll eventualky join in :-)

I still see some bs heat broknowledge but eventually we might have an adult debate on leds thus forming some kind of conclusion which thanks to you and other led trolls is sorely lacking.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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gwheels said:
We pay a lot more for hydro electricity. Peak time is 26c/kw

My house hydro costs 180 a month and thats ac tv and grow lights.

But i am running 500 watts this time. All cob quantum srip. Lets aee what happens. Just flipped a week ago.

I used 315 watts before and now 480 to 580 watts in flower
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With some of them legal prices its worth chasing efficiency.
 
Boatguy

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For the record I run cobs for the slim form factor, the efficiency is just an added bonus.
Working on a space with more height now so im building an actively cooled cob fixture. I will probably push them as hard as the cpu coolers will allow, efficiency be damned. For me its a hobby and nerding out is my MO.
 
Johnny Lawrence

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Yodaweed said:
Problem is 300w of less electric is not worth spending a few thousand dollars to get . You will never get a return on investment saving 300w it would literally take you years using a energy cost calculator i calculate that @ 13 cents per KWH running 12 hours a day (its 9 cents here) you will save 14$ per month, that's 168$ per year, so you will literally take 10+ years to see any kind of return on investment.

https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/design/tools/calculators/general-engineering/energy-cost.cfm


LEDs currently are not worth their investment, they give the same or less results as HID lights and cost a fortune more, unless you live off the grid or have some insanely expensive electric you will never see your money back.
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13 cents? I wish. San Diego - I pay .40.

900 watts of cobs cost me under $1300 to build, including frames. And I was able to eliminate the 8 inch fan that was pulling air off the hoods, which means the total reduction was about 400 watts. I'm still hitting the exact same numbers I was before. Also keep in mind that this is a south facing garage with multiple flowering rooms that gets hot af in the afternoons - any reduction in heat is a blessing. Add in yearly bulb change outs to the equation too.

Head space was another consideration for switching to cobs. Half of my garage has lower ceilings - my house is built into a hill. I can only fit tents, and the girls were getting close to the hoods. In my other flowering rooms, they have taller ceilings with framed in rooms, so I run SEs, DEs, and 315s.

I was also able to shave another 200 watts off my 18/6 room by switching out the T5s with PCBs. I'm now getting better results in veg using less wattage.

"LEDs currently are not worth their investment, they give the same or less results as HID lights "

^ That's a false statement.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Johnny Lawrence said:
13 cents? I wish. San Diego - I pay .40.

900 watts of cobs cost me under $1300 to build, including frames. And I was able to eliminate the 8 inch fan that was pulling air off the hoods, which means the total reduction was about 400 watts. I'm still hitting the exact same numbers I was before. Also keep in mind that this is a south facing garage with multiple flowering rooms that gets hot af in the afternoons - any reduction in heat is a blessing. Add in yearly bulb change outs to the equation too.

Head space was another consideration for switching to cobs. Half of my garage has lower ceilings - my house is built into a hill. I can only fit tents, and the girls were getting close to the hoods. In my other flowering rooms, they have taller ceilings with framed in rooms, so I run SEs, DEs, and 315s.

I was also able to shave another 200 watts off my 18/6 room by switching out the T5s with PCBs. I'm now getting better results in veg using less wattage.

"LEDs currently are not worth their investment, they give the same or less results as HID lights "

^ That's a false statement.
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Hate to tell you but unless you live in an area that has high electric costs you won't get your return on investment for several years. At 9 cents per kwh it would take me over 10 years to see a return. And LEDs don't make better buds, if anything they are slightly less potent due to the lack of UV light.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Boatguy said:
Would love to see you back up those claims. I did add some red due to superstition, not any actual facts.
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Here's just a few articles to get you started on what you are missing when running LED's , first one is from an LED maker.


https://californialightworks.com/uvb-light-and-thc-potency/

Here's a quote from their article
". Growers have realized an increase of up to 30% THC percentage by using supplemental UVB light but the actual mechanism was not well understood."

https://hightimes.com/grow/grow-hack-does-uv-light-increase-cannabis-potency/

https://www.maximumyield.com/jacked-up-cannabis-uv-light-and-other-trichome-enhancers/2/4071

http://ursalighting.com/effect-uv-light-plants/

http://www.cannabisindustryinstitute.com/news/understand-lights-effects-plants/

https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-could-uv-light-boost-thc-production-in-cannabis-plants-n314

That's just a couple of the articles, there's thousands more.

If you want to continue this conversation you're gonna need to bring something to the table as of right now you haven't cited a single source you're just giving your opinion with nothing to back it up. Please bring facts if you'd like to keep going.
 
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Gorillaglue4u

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I always said leds cost to much spending thousands on a light. But in reality it's not as much as you may think. I built 750 watt cob rig for 600 bucks.
 
Boatguy

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Yodaweed said:
Here's just a few articles to get you started on what you are missing when running LED's , first one is from an LED maker.


https://californialightworks.com/uvb-light-and-thc-potency/

Here's a quote from their article
". Growers have realized an increase of up to 30% THC percentage by using supplemental UVB light but the actual mechanism was not well understood."

https://hightimes.com/grow/grow-hack-does-uv-light-increase-cannabis-potency/

https://www.maximumyield.com/jacked-up-cannabis-uv-light-and-other-trichome-enhancers/2/4071

http://ursalighting.com/effect-uv-light-plants/

http://www.cannabisindustryinstitute.com/news/understand-lights-effects-plants/

https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-could-uv-light-boost-thc-production-in-cannabis-plants-n314

That's just a couple of the articles, there's thousands more.

If you want to continue this conversation you're gonna need to bring something to the table as of right now you haven't cited a single source you're just giving your opinion with nothing to back it up. Please bring facts if you'd like to keep going.
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Somehow i am having trouble absorbing those links as facts... unless californialightworks is now a scientific organization. I thought is was a small time niche light manufacturer.
 
INF Flux

INF Flux

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Yodaweed said:
Here's just a few articles to get you started on what you are missing when running LED's , first one is from an LED maker.


https://californialightworks.com/uvb-light-and-thc-potency/

Here's a quote from their article
". Growers have realized an increase of up to 30% THC percentage by using supplemental UVB light but the actual mechanism was not well understood."

https://hightimes.com/grow/grow-hack-does-uv-light-increase-cannabis-potency/

https://www.maximumyield.com/jacked-up-cannabis-uv-light-and-other-trichome-enhancers/2/4071

http://ursalighting.com/effect-uv-light-plants/

http://www.cannabisindustryinstitute.com/news/understand-lights-effects-plants/

https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-could-uv-light-boost-thc-production-in-cannabis-plants-n314

That's just a couple of the articles, there's thousands more.

If you want to continue this conversation you're gonna need to bring something to the table as of right now you haven't cited a single source you're just giving your opinion with nothing to back it up. Please bring facts if you'd like to keep going.
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Got you covered.
https://www.rapidled.com/supplemental/

or
https://chilledgrowlights.com/our-products-services/diy-led-grow-light-parts/chilled-125w-module-complete
or just run an extra uv bulb in there for a little bit.
 
Johnny Lawrence

Johnny Lawrence

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Yodaweed said:
Hate to tell you but unless you live in an area that has high electric costs . . .
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Did you fail to read my post?

My LEDs have already paid for themselves. I'm still hitting the same numbers I was getting under 2 sixes. Less heat. Reduction in noise by eliminating one fan.

If it doesn't make sense for you, then fine, but you really need to stop simply shitting on the technology just cause you have some bug up your ass about it.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Johnny Lawrence said:
13 cents? I wish. San Diego - I pay .40.

900 watts of cobs cost me under $1300 to build, including frames. And I was able to eliminate the 8 inch fan that was pulling air off the hoods, which means the total reduction was about 400 watts. I'm still hitting the exact same numbers I was before. Also keep in mind that this is a south facing garage with multiple flowering rooms that gets hot af in the afternoons - any reduction in heat is a blessing. Add in yearly bulb change outs to the equation too.

Head space was another consideration for switching to cobs. Half of my garage has lower ceilings - my house is built into a hill. I can only fit tents, and the girls were getting close to the hoods. In my other flowering rooms, they have taller ceilings with framed in rooms, so I run SEs, DEs, and 315s.

I was also able to shave another 200 watts off my 18/6 room by switching out the T5s with PCBs. I'm now getting better results in veg using less wattage.

"LEDs currently are not worth their investment, they give the same or less results as HID lights "

^ That's a false statement.
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You switch to leds then remove an eight inch fan before proclaiming the same numbers...

I try to be nice but i slice things different. Most have some ill born out concept of heat and certainly dont understand it, mainly lowerimg your overdriven extractions and fans meant you grew better.

You werent the best so your assumptions are naturally wrong. I dont have any problem with your other reasons for leds but smell the coffee dude :-)
 
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