Can weed absorb co2 via roots ?

wbake90

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Am thinking of trying to harvest co2 and capture it in absorption material and then extract co2 either in the nutrients or directly into the soil.

im guessing co2 will just escape the tent through ventilation without consistency so im wondering will there be much benefit to use co2 enriched soil
 

jimihendrix1

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Am thinking of trying to harvest co2 and capture it in absorption material and then extract co2 either in the nutrients or directly into the soil.

im guessing co2 will just escape the tent through ventilation without consistency so im wondering will there be much benefit to use co2 enriched soil
I think soil, may want Oxygen vs CO2. I think they saw some initial benefit, but prolonged use, was detrimental. But still needs more research.

We investigated the fate of carbon dioxide (CO2 ) absorbed by roots or internally produced by respiration using gas exchange and stable isotopic labeling. CO2 efflux from detached leaves supplied with bicarbonate/CO2 solutions was followed over six cycles. CO2 effluxes were detected when bicarbonate solution at high pH was used, corresponding to 71-85% of the expected efflux. No CO2 efflux was detected when CO2 solutions at low pH were used but CO2 efflux was subsequently detected as soon as bicarbonate solutions at high pH were supplied. By sealing the leaf and petiole in a plastic bag to reduce diffusion to the atmosphere, a small CO2 efflux signal (14-30% of the expected efflux) was detected suggesting that CO2 in the xylem stream can readily escape to the atmosphere before reaching the leaf. When the root-zones of intact plants were exposed to CO2 solutions, a significant efflux from leaf surface was observed (13% of the expected efflux). However, no signal was detected when roots were exposed to a high pH bicarbonate solution. Isotopic tracer experiments confirmed that CO2 supplied to the root-zone was transported through the plant and was readily lost to the atmosphere. However, little 13 C moved to the shoot when roots were exposed to bicarbonate solutions at pH 8, suggesting that bicarbonate does not pass into the xylem.
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For plants to grow normally, a good rhizosphere gas environment is required. The CO2 concentration changes continuously with different soil aeration conditions, which has a great impact on the growth, development, and yield of crops. The CO2 concentration in the soil close to the plant root system often reaches values up to ten-fold that of the ambient atmosphere [1,2,3]. Root and soil microorganisms produce CO2 through respiration, which accumulates in the root zone at concentrations normally between 0.2% and 0.5%, but can reach 20% under special circumstances [4]. The actual CO2 concentration in the soil also depends on the soil water content, soil type, soil depth, microbial biomass, and the activities of soil microorganisms. Responses to high CO2 soil environment have received increased attention recently in several crop species [5,6,7,8]. However, little information is available regarding the molecular mechanisms of plants in response to elevated root-zone CO2 conditions, especially at the transcriptome level.
The effects of excessive root-zone CO2 on plant growth, nutrient absorption, and utilization vary with plant species [9]. Nitrogen is an essential macronutrient for plant growth and basic metabolic processes. High levels of CO2 in the root-zone promoted the growth of tomato seedlings and increased their NO3− uptake, especially under salinity stress and high air temperature [4,10]; however, there was no significant difference in NH4+. In lettuce, high levels of root-zone CO2 could alleviate the midday depression of photosynthesis and negative impacts of high air temperature on photosynthesis [11], and promoted NO3− uptake and the growth of lettuce plants in the greenhouse [12,13]. By contrast, high root-zone soil CO2 had a negative impact on morphological and physiological indicators, such as plant height, root length, chlorophyll content, photosynthesis rate, stomata conductance, and NO3− absorption and assimilation in soybean [14], maize [5], barley [15], and bean [7]. Previous studies have implied that elevated root-zone CO2 acted as a weak acid, causing acidification in root cells, and inhibition of nutrient uptake and the root respiration rate [16]. Moreover, a high soil CO2 concentration itself might be toxic to plant growth in many plant species, and under certain conditions, CO2 toxicity is a more important factor in plant growth than O2 deficiency [6]. Thus, elevated CO2 concentrations in the root-zone could have either positive or negative consequences for plant growth. The differences in the effects of root-zone CO2 on plants could be caused by differences in plant species, treatment time, the plant developmental period, and the CO2 concentration applied [11,17].
The oriental melon (Cucumis melo var. makuwa Makino) is one of main agricultural products that is widely cultivated in some eastern Asian countries. It is sensitive to the root-zone gas environment, and often suffers from root-zone low O2 and high CO2 stress in irrigated field cultivation. The responses of melon to root-zone hypoxia have been widely reported [18,19]. By contrast, there is little information on the mechanism of the oriental melon’s response to elevated root-zone CO2, especially at the transcriptome level. In addition, the molecular mechanism of the influence of root-zone CO2 on plant growth and mineral nutrient absorption has not been definitively proved.
The present study aimed to explore the molecular mechanism of root nitrogen metabolism in the oriental melon under elevated root-zone CO2. We designed an aeroponic culture system that could automatically control the root-zone CO2 concentration. Based on a transcriptome analysis in roots, we investigated the root morphology and root tip cell ultrastructure under different CO2 concentrations, including three treatments: Ambient air 0.037% (control check (CK)), elevated CO2 concentrations 0.5% (T1), and 1.0% (T2). Differentially expressed genes (DEGs) involved in nitrogen metabolism in different CO2 concentrations were screened by combining the changes of root morphology and the physiological index. Moreover, we analyzed the activities of nitrogen metabolism enzymes, and validated the sequencing accuracy of key genes using quantitative real-time PCR (qPCR). The results provided a reasonable basis to further investigate the functions of candidate genes, their transcriptional regulation, and the effective regulation of nitrogen in the oriental melon under elevated root-zone CO2.
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2. Results
2.1. Effects of Elevated Root-Zone CO2 on Root Morphology
Root morphology analysis (Figure 1; Table 1) showed that plants grown under elevated root-zone CO2 treatment had longer roots, a greater number of total root tips, and a larger root surface area at 3 day of treatment compared with those under ambient CO2 concentrations, although the resistance against elevated root-zone CO2 began to decline on the sixth day of treatment. The root length, the root surface area, and the number of roots with a diameter of 0.5–2.0 mm under T1 and T2 treatment were not significantly different at 6 day, compared with those of plants under CK (the red arrows indicated). On the ninth day, the root length, root surface area, and the number of major absorbing roots with diameter of 0–0.5 mm were remarkably lower under T1 and T2 treatments than in the CK group (the red arrows indicated). The main root length was reduced by 8.43% and 20.90%, respectively, and root surface area decreased by 20.35% and 52.05%, respectively, compared with the CK group. The data indicated that root growth was enhanced during short-term high CO2 exposure; however, with prolonged treatment, inhibitory effects were more significant.
 

Spider-Man

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Please, reply in terms, that are understandable to regular home growers.
Not many of us, have a PhD.
I couldn't pass 8th grade science.
I will grow against the best of the best. RDWC all the way.
I am doing my first grow. Day 18 of flower, they are gorgeous.
Try to seek advise, that is easy to understand. It makes it more enjoyable. I'm 65, this is a blast.
Have a good day!
 

Tolerance Break

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Please, reply in terms, that are understandable to regular home growers.
Not many of us, have a PhD.
I couldn't pass 8th grade science.
I will grow against the best of the best. RDWC all the way.
I am doing my first grow. Day 18 of flower, they are gorgeous.
Try to seek advise, that is easy to understand. It makes it more enjoyable. I'm 65, this is a blast.
Have a good day!
The first sentence was the simplified explanation. The rest was the science.
 

conor c

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Well for the most part no roots use oxygen however i have seen people use carbonated spring water on there plants thats one of kc brains old tips it didnt seem to hurt them any i wouldnt go blasting co² into the dirt tho that be too far you be better enriching the room than the rootzone imo
 

Budzbuddha

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Thats why pumice / perlite / rice hulls and the like aid in oxygenating medium not only drainage. Roots will thrive with proper oxygenation.

CO2 from the atmosphere in addition to providing a source of carbon for photosynthesis, CO2 also plays a large role in regulating the opening and closing of a plants stomata. It's these tiny pores on the plant leaves that are used for gas exchange. When the concentration of CO2 in the air is low, plants will open their stomata wider to allow more CO2 to enter. And, conversely, when CO2 levels are high, plants will partially close their stomata to conserve water.

No need to flip the script.
 

conor c

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Thats why pumice / perlite / rice hulls and the like aid in oxygenating medium not only drainage. Roots will thrive with proper oxygenation.

CO2 from the atmosphere in addition to providing a source of carbon for photosynthesis, CO2 also plays a large role in regulating the opening and closing of a plants stomata. It's these tiny pores on the plant leaves that are used for gas exchange. When the concentration of CO2 in the air is low, plants will open their stomata wider to allow more CO2 to enter. And, conversely, when CO2 levels are high, plants will partially close their stomata to conserve water.

No need to flip the script.
Its kinda like with us its a negative feedback loop/system like with ço² concentration and blood ph too little or too much definitely isnt good and your right its needed for carbon fixation but too much isnt gonna help plants either
 

Drop That Sound

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My guess is that R/DWC plants that are grown in a sealed room would absorb the most c02 directly through the bare root systems, compared to any other mediums. It can build up in the nutrient solution over time, and even cause acids to form from whatever reactions are going on if too much.. if I remember right. Your air pumps continuously recirculate the air and whatever the c02 levels are in the room right through the air stones into the water.. Unless you intake fresh air into the pump through a tube from outside, but then it also forces the same amount of air out of the room and you lose some of the c02. Suppose that wouldn't happen if you came up with a close loop ventilation system inside the RDWC system containers, so its also sealed off from the room (basically sealing up the netpots & around the stalk), and only pumps fresh air through the containers above the water level, and back out of the room again..
 

Spider-Man

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My guess is that R/DWC plants that are grown in a sealed room would absorb the most c02 directly through the bare root systems, compared to any other mediums. It can build up in the nutrient solution over time, and even cause acids to form from whatever reactions are going on if too much.. if I remember right. Your air pumps continuously recirculate the air and whatever the c02 levels are in the room right through the air stones into the water.. Unless you intake fresh air into the pump through a tube from outside, but then it also forces the same amount of air out of the room and you lose some of the c02. Suppose that wouldn't happen if you came up with a close loop ventilation system inside the RDWC system containers, so its also sealed off from the room (basically sealing up the netpots & around the stalk), and only pumps fresh air through the containers above the water level, and back out of the room again..
Now that makes sense.
I run rdwc. Also using enhance c02 bottles. I can only get about 600 ppm. Running 4 cans. In a very well sealed Gorilla.
Today is 18 days into flower.
4 different indica strains growing in one connected rdwc.
I believe, my first grow. I removed fan leafs for more air flow and light.
They will look butchered until morning
Like you said: I think some c02 is going thru the air pump. First ever grow should not look this good.
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nxsov180db

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A Co2 gassed room doesn’t matter for DWC or otherwise, the difference between .04% co2 and .12% co2 is too minuscule to matter when the o2 concentration is 20%
 
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OldMedUser

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A Co2 gassed room doesn’t matter for DWC or otherwise, the difference between .04% co2 and .12% co2 is too minuscule to matter when the o2 concentration is 20%
Plant scientists that have studied plant growth under the influence of higher CO2 levels for over a century would like to have a word with you.

Just think about it for a second. What seems like you to be a minuscule difference is a threefold increase in one of a plants most important grow inputs.

You don't see how that might have a beneficial influence on a plant's growth rate?

If you are talking about increased CO2 not affecting the nutrient sol'n enough to matter, (you are correct), then please ignore the above.

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OldMedUser

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Now that makes sense.
I run rdwc. Also using enhance c02 bottles. I can only get about 600 ppm. Running 4 cans. In a very well sealed Gorilla.
Today is 18 days into flower.
4 different indica strains growing in one connected rdwc.
I believe, my first grow. I removed fan leafs for more air flow and light.
They will look butchered until morning
Like you said: I think some c02 is going thru the air pump. First ever grow should not look this good.
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That's a beauty of a setup! I would advise you to remove the foil on top of the net pot tho. Concentrating humidity around the base of the stem like that could easily lead to root/stem rot and plant death. The roots that are in the net pot now are basically just pipelines and don't absorb anything so could be bone dry and would function fine.

If you're concerned about light penetration just pile more hydroton balls on top or get some shade cloth and cut to fit as it breathes really well.

I did about 50 tubs worth of DWC from '01 to a couple years ago and just kept my pots filled slightly over level with balls and not paint or reflective tape on the lids without any problems.

Boggled my mind how well I could grow plants in such a simple system when I couldn't keep a house plant alive to save my own life. When I added CO2 they just exploded more.

This talk of added CO2 acidifying the water enough to matter is just that. Talk. I know in my case it would have been a good thing as every 3 days when I topped up my stand-alone tubs my pH would have risen from around 5.5 to 6.2. I would test both ppm first after topping up with RO water then add small amounts of nutes to get back to my target ppm or raise it if needed. Then I would test the pH after 15 min or so of letting the fresh nute addition react as they tend to lower pH a bit. It would take 4 or 5 drops of conc., 96%, sulphuric acid to get back to 5.5. It was so regular that I would just check the pH every 3 top-ups and always found it the same.

Then I switched from the old AN 3-part nutes and got the pH Perfect ones and never bothered checking pH again. :)

:peace:
 

Lou66

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Plants don't use CO2 from the roots to grow. In the roots are no chloroplasts. Chloroplasts are the parts of a cell that turn CO2 into sugar. It needs a lot of energy, sunlight, to do that. In roots it cannnot happen because there is no external energy source to turn absorbed CO2 into sugar. There are no chloroplasts in roots. If it's not green it can't do photosynthesis.
On the other hand, leaves have many stomata for gas exchange. Expel O2 and take in CO2. Even though leafs looks solid it is about 90 % air by volume. That CO2 gets converted into sugar.
 

Spider-Man

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Plants don't use CO2 from the roots to grow. In the roots are no chloroplasts. Chloroplasts are the parts of a cell that turn CO2 into sugar. It needs a lot of energy, sunlight, to do that. In roots it cannnot happen because there is no external energy source to turn absorbed CO2 into sugar. There are no chloroplasts in roots. If it's not green it can't do photosynthesis.
On the other hand, leaves have many stomata for gas exchange. Expel O2 and take in CO2. Even though leafs looks solid it is about 90 % air by volume. That CO2 gets converted into sugar.
I think what was being explained, was: that the c02 is absorbed and transfered to the leafs and stem, which are green.
It seems to work for me.
 

Lou66

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I think what was being explained, was: that the c02 is absorbed and transfered to the leafs and stem, which are green.
It seems to work for me.
That is not going to happen. The leaves have literal holes for gas exchange, while the roots are more than a meter away.
 
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OldMedUser

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I'm taking my foil off today,
Tho I think it looks pretty cool on there for the look of the whole system it's not worth risking problems. Must have been over 10 years ago in the old Cannabis Culture forums a guy had his sealed up and killed two plants in a 4 pail RDWC system with stem rot. Luckily he was a week or two before harvest so the loss wasn't huge but I made sure to keep mine open after that.

:peace:
 
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