Can you live on minimum wage? (Calculator)

NLXSK1 said:
You propose to raise the price of food that poor people have to buy to provide more money to poor people.

You are robbing from the poor to pay the poor.

Do you have a meaningful debate you wish to enter into this morning?


It is Economics... If you make jobs more expensive there will be less of them. The only people that are saying that it will be opposite is politicians who are lying to you. It is simple economics and common sense.

Everything in the Obama administration is force. He is forcing the American people to buy healthcare, forcing American businesses to pay higher wages and lower hourly rates to avoid bankruptcy. And then he blames the very businesses his policies have caused to stop hiring.
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Everything in ANY administration is force....fixed it for you. Peace.
 
Rob Roy said:
Everything in ANY administration is force....fixed it for you. Peace.
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How would an all voluntary society work?

What if I don't volunteer for things I don't agree with that are necessary for the country to function as it does?

Are you saying those services nobody voluntarily agrees to shouldn't exist? Taxes, police, fire fighters, etc?
 
Padawanbater2 said:
How would an all voluntary society work?

What if I don't volunteer for things I don't agree with that are necessary for the country to function as it does?

Are you saying those services nobody voluntarily agrees to shouldn't exist? Taxes, police, fire fighters, etc?
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You don't have to volunteer, you can just pay for it. If you don't like it, then some of your neighbors can make their case to you. Either way I think you will quickly realize how fast a vacuum gets filled.
 
NoDrama said:
You don't have to volunteer, you can just pay for it. If you don't like it, then some of your neighbors can make their case to you. Either way I think you will quickly realize how fast a vacuum gets filled.
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Translation: "Don't like it, move to Russia...."


....yawn
 
NoDrama said:
You don't have to volunteer, you can just pay for it. If you don't like it, then some of your neighbors can make their case to you. Either way I think you will quickly realize how fast a vacuum gets filled.
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Welcome to democracy, nobody said it would be right or easy to swallow
 
UncleBuck said:
clearly retarded.

adjusting for inflation is not a denial of the existence of inflation.

have another.
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Correct, it is embracing the central planner, which you openly do now.
What was money and what is now money?
Its only a 50 year old problem.
The difference measured in one compared to the other is called inflation.
The CPI is sophistry that attempt to deny this fact.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Then why are you fighting against minimum wage instead of fighting for a true democracy?
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Why would I fight for something that has been proven over and over and over for millennium to not work? That sounds like a very stupid thing to do.

BTW where do you see me fighting against min wage? I think min wage should be much higher than you want it to be.
 
@ NoDrama, or crony capitalism? Haven't heard a peep from you about that either. Corporate interests, income inequality, supreme court decisions that fall in favor of multinational, multibillion dollar corporations. Why should I, as an American taxpayer near the poverty line feel any sympathy for some dozens times over wealthy businessman on Wall st. manipulating the system in his favor?

I feel sympathy for the middle class business owners, the guys just above me in financial/economic classes, my bosses, it's not their fault, they shouldn't be "punished". That isn't what I advocate or fight for. My main argument has always been that the rules need to be changed to ensure the wealthiest businesses pay at the very least enough to ensure their employees don't require government (taxpayer) assistance to survive. There is no logical or rational reason somebody making billions of dollars should have to ask the government to pitch in for their employees so they can pay their rent. If you disagree, lets hear the argument why.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
My main argument has always been that the rules need to be changed to ensure the wealthiest businesses pay at the very least enough to ensure their employees don't require government (taxpayer) assistance to survive. There is no logical or rational reason somebody making billions of dollars should have to ask the government to pitch in for their employees so they can pay their rent. If you disagree, lets hear the argument why.
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Ok heres one: "rule changes" require taxpayer assistance.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
@ NoDrama, or crony capitalism? Haven't heard a peep from you about that either. Corporate interests, income inequality, supreme court decisions that fall in favor of multinational, multibillion dollar corporations. Why should I, as an American taxpayer near the poverty line feel any sympathy for some dozens times over wealthy businessman on Wall st. manipulating the system in his favor?

I feel sympathy for the middle class business owners, the guys just above me in financial/economic classes, my bosses, it's not their fault, they shouldn't be "punished". That isn't what I advocate or fight for. My main argument has always been that the rules need to be changed to ensure the wealthiest businesses pay at the very least enough to ensure their employees don't require government (taxpayer) assistance to survive. There is no logical or rational reason somebody making billions of dollars should have to ask the government to pitch in for their employees so they can pay their rent. If you disagree, lets hear the argument why.
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Big Corporations are not owned by the CEO's or the board members or the executives. They are owned by the little people that have pensions, retirements and equities.

Do you not understand how stocks work?

It isn't the CEO's fault that if he doesn't make a profit he will be fired, its the fault of all those people that want to see their nest eggs grow. Blame all the people that want to retire on your problems and assume none of the responsibility.

FWIW Fast food restaurants are not the wealthiest businesses.
 
NoDrama said:
Why would I fight for something that has been proven over and over and over for millennium to not work? That sounds like a very stupid thing to do.

BTW where do you see me fighting against min wage? I think min wage should be much higher than you want it to be.
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If not democracy, then what?

I see you arguing against minimum wage by constantly repeating that raising the minimum wage would increase prices and eliminate jobs. That it should be $1,000/hour in an attempt to highlight raising it even $2 is no different in effect..
 
twostrokenut said:
Correct, it is embracing the central planner, which you openly do now.
What was money and what is now money?
Its only a 50 year old problem.
The difference measured in one compared to the other is called inflation.
The CPI is sophistry that attempt to deny this fact.
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