Cannabolics philosophy on bud and the bible

porchmonkey4life said:

you don't get much pussy, do you, my friend?

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Not recently. I need to get back out there and stop being petulant about it. It's not like it's all that difficult. Like I mentioned the other day, though, I tend to gravitate towards serious involvement and my life is a little too messy for that right now.

But yes, your intuitions are most perceptive young Paduan.

Yeah, geekiness and sexual deprivation usually share a significant positive correlation.

porchmonkey4life said:

Yeah, geekiness and sexual deprivation usually share a significant positive correlation.

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Yup. There's little enough harm in it when you're not trying to get laid, but it does tend to sneak up you. Geekery provides a lot of ways to handle boredom, especially combined with pot. Plus, it's my job.

I should probably go out to some shows or something. Or maybe an opening. I dig art chix.

Maccabee said:

I doubt you'd be comfortable with an open Satanist preaching his views in the public square. Or, how about a fundamentalist Muslim? That might bother most Christians more, ironically enough.

Sorry, I'm not trying to bait you. I'm all for free speech, but there are forms of street preaching, however, that amount to verbal abuse or harassment.
People shouldn't have to endure being called sinners for walking down the street. I don't care if it's a 15 year old in miniskirt, a gay couple, or whatever.

Giving them a piece of your mind right back doesn't help, it just reinforces their perception of themselves as misunderstood martyrs in a degraded society.

How does that kind of preaching not violate the admonition not to judge others lest ye be judged, or to let the innocent cast the first stone, or not to look to the speck in another's eye but the log in your own? I'd include the admonition to love thy neighbor, but these kinds of preachers tend to insist their message is 'love' as it brings the hope of salvation. I doubt the people they attack feel very loved by God while the crazed preacher is screaming at them.

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I have to agree with you here, yes it would make me uncomfortable...but that does not give me the right to try and stop them. I also love and protect our constitution. It is the same law that enables me to preach, hand out Gospel tracts, and talk openly about God. So in this sense I have no right to keep others from stating their views. As for people being called sinners, according to Scripture, we are ALL sinners...even me. I am not a good person, I just have faith in the Redeemer. I struggle with my sins daily, just like the disciple Paul. I see myself as no better than the next man. I am just as capable of such atrocities as any mass murderer etc. Can anyone honestly say they have never had an evil thought..."I want to kill so and so"...or "what I would do to you if I got you in bed"....God says He will hold even our thought life accountable on Judgment Day. The Bible says that the hearts of men lay open before God. So, lets look at the best open-air preacher/evangelist that ever walked the earth...Jesus Christ Himself. How did He preach? Using the Ten Commandments? Yes! Did He tell people that they would go to Hell if they did not repent of their sins, deny themselves, take up their cross and follow Him? Yes! He had a slightly different tactic than most preachers of today though. He was very gentile when could be, and very stern with people when He had to be. Look at the way He talked to the Pharisees. "Hypocrites!" and "Brood of vipers" and one of my favorites "Even tax collectors and prostitutes will make it into the gates of Heaven before you!" He was saying this to the religious leaders of Israel! I know this sounds odd, but it is not I who judges you when I tell you something is sin in the eyes of God. It is God's Law that judges ALL. You, me, my wife, my grandmother, Hitler, and everyone else. By no means did I write God's Law, I just pass it along to the next person. If someone said to you "You shouldn't do that," when your about to break into a home...is that person judging you? Or are they making you aware of what it is you have in your heart? I know that most things that are called "sin" seem very small in the eyes of today's society, but God does not see it that way. He kicked Adam and Eve out of Eden for sinning once! He kicked Lucifer and a third of the angels out of Heaven when they sinned, God does not spare even His most beautiful angel of His wrath. There is a saying I and many have used, but I never realized the absolute profoundness and truth of it until lately; "The Truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off." I agree that love is detrimental when preaching, Christ is the standard for preaching and evangelism. As for giving them a piece of my mind...I try to just stick with what Jesus has taught...if I get into what I think of another and their actions...I am judging them. It does not matter what I think. Scripture says to hate sin and not the sinner. Oh and as for your Monk friend...I know what you mean, not many have the wisdom to keep their mouth shut. Scripture pretty much states that as well. The wise man knows when to keep his mouth closed. Sadly, far too many people who claim to be Christian look for ways to come down on the rest of humanity when most of the time their silence would be more effective. They want to exalt themselves as holier-than-thou. Which is a strict violation of God's Law in it's own. Anyways, I hope I am making sense here. I have a tendency to get lost in all of this. I also apologize if this seems to come off strongly. I am not trying to defend myself...I can be very judgmental...and I am aware of it. In no way am I perfect. I don't have all the answers either. Well my friend, I do enjoy these types of conversations, and from what I can tell...so do you. Thank you for your honest views, and for being so understanding of mine. I hope that we continue in these conversations and I pray that we can remain of humble demeanor's. It is only through trying to understand another's view that we can make any kind of progress in our own understanding, be it we agree with one's views or not. I think the best way a Christian should witness to someone else is with tears in their eyes, not with screaming and yelling.....

Maccabee said:

Yep. The way Calvinism grapples with these questions is one of its most interesting qualities. Intellectually speaking it's very engaging. What do Calvinists make of Weber's theory on the Calvinist ethic of predestination being at the core of early American capitalism?

The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's the meat of his theory:

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I think this is a twisted view on Calvinism. I cannot say there is no truth to it...because I have not personally studied John Calvin in detail. I guess Calvinism is what I would most closely be related to. I am of the mind set that God made some for destruction, and other's for salvation. Paul addresses that in Romans. Anyways, thank you for this info...I will have to look further into it. I would like to note that where it talks about monetary gain being a sign of God's grace...I disagree. If monetary gain was a sign of salvation...then Hugh Hefner is a godly man. Look at the lives of the people in the early church, John the Baptist was beheaded...Peter was crucified upside down....Paul died in a Roman prison...John was imprisoned on the island of Patmos and chained to a Roman guard who hated him. Look at the story of Job, yeah...he was rich...but that was taken from him along with his family and health. Throughout history people who followed God where both very blessed, such as Solomon (who fell away from God by the way)...and others where subjected to suffering...I would like to note that the people who suffered for God....are the one's who lived godly lives. The ultimate example being Jesus Himself (who of course is God). Anyways....Happy Atheists Day! (April 1st) LOL....sorry...couldn't resist.

Thanks for your perspective! I'm not a huge Weberian myself, but I've always thought the connections he makes are interesting.

You might want to check out the actual book sometime, it's better than the Wikipedia article might lead you to believe. I don't think it's incompatible with Calvinist faith, it just shows how that faith interacted with the social fabric in the development of capitalism.

I'd imagine most libraries have it, the chapters of interest to you would probably be the last two: "The Religious Foundations of Worldly Asceticism" and "Asceticism and the Spirit of Capitalism."

Weber's conclusions about where capitalism is headed after the Puritans can be grim--he forsees an 'iron cage of bureacracy' for modern society where the Puritans had experienced an individual calling (vis a vis Luther) towards hard work and thrift in business affairs. But that's his conclusion, it doesn't have to be yours.

this is me just being me here but

but i think that God put everything on the earth yer as Christianity goes about the story of creation

and that on the 6 day God gave man stuardship of the earth and gave us aurthorioty over everything on the earth

so if all that is true which i beileve it is. then man should be allowed to use the earths resouces aslong as man doesnt go mad over the resources

so if you let your marijuana rest and you put it into re-veg and dont take the next buds just let the males polinate the females and then the next year after the cycal has probaly repeated indoors several times

you can sow the seeds

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You guys ever think "This is all bullshit, trying to tie cannabis in with the bible and all other sorts of things" and that your all just a bunch of pot head addicts trying anything to make weed seem important as it is in your head? Yea that'd be cool if God himself refered to "Herb" as weed, but I mean...come on! Herb is fun, but to think theres more importance it, I think is foolish and people need to stop kidding themselves.

I'm interested in this for entertainment purposes only, and could give a shit what God or the forces that be think about my use of Cannabis. please refrain from using judgmental references like "pothead addicts" when speaking to other human beings on this forum, as the recreational use of Cannabis is a touchy subject, and I think those who examine their personal use from a religious/spiritual perspective are to be applauded. It's better than just doing it because it makes you feel good, and being called a junkie or an addict certainly does not. Please check your negativity at the door. thanks.

iloveyou

Gutter said:

You guys ever think "This is all bullshit, trying to tie cannabis in with the bible and all other sorts of things" and that your all just a bunch of pot head addicts trying anything to make weed seem important as it is in your head? Yea that'd be cool if God himself refered to "Herb" as weed, but I mean...come on! Herb is fun, but to think theres more importance it, I think is foolish and people need to stop kidding themselves.

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I'm not kidding myself, im not tryin to give an excuse or a reason as to why i smoke weed. however i am trying to get rid of the falsifications generations have put on marijuana. ppl have been tryin to demonize it for almost a century and what have they said? the've said that marijuana was against the word of god. so by this thread im showing that its not the actual biblical text or the word of god, but the law makers and the bud haters out there trying to abolish the smoking of mary jane. my point is this, they say its wrong and against the bible, but they never give a direct reference to marijuana. but they do say that we can do anything as long as were not abusing our bodies. and as long as your not a heavy pothead, bud dossent cause any serious problems.

porchmonkey4life said:

I'm interested in this for entertainment purposes only, and could give a shit what God or the forces that be think about my use of Cannabis. please refrain from using judgmental references like "pothead addicts" when speaking to other human beings on this forum, as the recreational use of Cannabis is a touchy subject, and I think those who examine their personal use from a religious/spiritual perspective are to be applauded. It's better than just doing it because it makes you feel good, and being called a junkie or an addict certainly does not. Please check your negativity at the door. thanks.

iloveyou

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wow...........shocked

Dont feel like reading all these pages and hope someone didnt already say this if so sorry but ,Cannabis means 2 dog plant in Greek/roman some shit like that. There is a African Tribe called the Dodgon and they have a HUGE celebration every 50 years, They celebrate because it takes 50 years for Sirius A to orbit Sirius B ,( how could they know this in the 1800's)?They call Sirius A the 2 Dog planet. And at this celebration they smoke/eat cannabis. In the 1800's when modern scientists visited the tribe they taught the scientist their vast knowledge of geometry and physics. They say they were taught all of this by Aliens....thats right aliens and they also believe Aliens put cannabis on this plant for us to use and enjoy. This was also in the 3rd Cannabible, also check out what other people have called Sirius A..they all call it the 2 dog star or something to do with 2 dogs. check it out yourself

Its the plant of 2 faces , good and evil because of its both sex genitics , Thats how the accient Asians described ....Other than that i think im going to smoke more weed after reading some of this crap lmao

Gutter said:

You guys ever think "This is all bullshit, trying to tie cannabis in with the bible and all other sorts of things" and that your all just a bunch of pot head addicts trying anything to make weed seem important as it is in your head? Yea that'd be cool if God himself refered to "Herb" as weed, but I mean...come on! Herb is fun, but to think theres more importance it, I think is foolish and people need to stop kidding themselves.

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I find it very interesting that you are willing to call others pot-head addicts, when you partake in the very thing we are discussing. So herb is just fun? What about the fact it helps with numerous diseases and disorders? Like cancer? Or AIDS? What about Multiple Sclerosis? Or Alzheimer's? Did you know that cannabis has been proven to help prevent Alzheimer's? Or that it even has anti-carcinogenic qualities? Ever hear of terpinoids? Is that not more important than just having fun? I am sorry to say it my friend, but it's the "It's just fun" attitude that keeps everyone else from taking the medical movement seriously. I don't mean to come off as attacking you, I just ask that people stop and do some research before making statements such as this. Apparently you missed my previous posts on this subject, or else you would have realized I made it very clear that if anything takes the front seat in place of God...there is a problem.