Cause of instant ambering of pistils
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xtsho
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Looks like too many nutes. How much of that koolbloom did you use? It says right on the package "Caution: A very small amount of KoolBloom will have a big effect on flowering plants. Too much could be harmful. Are you using the two or three part Masterblend? Either way both have plenty of potassium and phosphorus. The KoolBloom is 2-45-28 It looks like a case of too much instead of not enough.
shawnery
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I upped each mag/cal by about 25% and the symptoms stopped spreading. If anything there's also a current deficiency in potassium but that is partially expected later in flowering I would think.
I don't run what the bags say i mix my ratios to achieve specific ppm's of each macronutrient.
N-98
P-96
K-196
Mg-79
Ca-95
Like I stated though, and you just have to accept or not, the symptoms were there before I upped my nutes and stopped spreading when I raised them.
I don't run what the bags say i mix my ratios to achieve specific ppm's of each macronutrient.
N-98
P-96
K-196
Mg-79
Ca-95
Like I stated though, and you just have to accept or not, the symptoms were there before I upped my nutes and stopped spreading when I raised them.
shawnery
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The lights have always been 12 inches away since the postils started and the browning didn't happen for weeks.
shawnery
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Potassium deficiency seems to be exactly like the symptoms I'm showing, no? Pic is from link.
https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-potassium-deficiency-in-cannabis-plants-a-how-to-guide-n671
https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-potassium-deficiency-in-cannabis-plants-a-how-to-guide-n671
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Kingrow1
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You might think your plants recovered and you have chit dialled in but pictures suggest your nowhere near.
R Burns
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Yes, the fan can cause this!
shawnery
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Thanks for taking the time everyone. No use in continuing if the main response is going to be to question the veracity of my word.
This was about my trichs and why they continue to come out amber. My buds have swelled about 3 times the size in the last week. Yet with each new stack and expansion there are absolutly no white trichs except at the very bottom of my canopy.
If you want to argue, as a discussion hopefully, that my nutrient issue had a role then the only way to be sure is to know how things progressed, right. So why would I waste your time, my time and this furoms time by misleading you guys with false statements. I know how to open my tent and see their color from day to day and week to week.
Looking back at my pics the deficiency started at the end of stretch but was so small I didn't see it or recognize the issue till I went back through my photos. Then by the third week it was really noticeable. I then went about to find a fix and treated the plant. By midway through week 4 the progression had stopped. From then to yesterday there was no real further progression maybe 5% worse for arguments sake.
If I was burning my plants with to high of an ec or what not why would the plant not have the same damage below the canopy and why would new white trichs be growing down below the canopy near the bottom?
My ec had been dropping or staying constant over the long haul. How could I be burning her if the ec is either stable or dropping? How could I be burning my plants with an .5 scale of 450ppm?
This was about my trichs and why they continue to come out amber. My buds have swelled about 3 times the size in the last week. Yet with each new stack and expansion there are absolutly no white trichs except at the very bottom of my canopy.
If you want to argue, as a discussion hopefully, that my nutrient issue had a role then the only way to be sure is to know how things progressed, right. So why would I waste your time, my time and this furoms time by misleading you guys with false statements. I know how to open my tent and see their color from day to day and week to week.
Looking back at my pics the deficiency started at the end of stretch but was so small I didn't see it or recognize the issue till I went back through my photos. Then by the third week it was really noticeable. I then went about to find a fix and treated the plant. By midway through week 4 the progression had stopped. From then to yesterday there was no real further progression maybe 5% worse for arguments sake.
If I was burning my plants with to high of an ec or what not why would the plant not have the same damage below the canopy and why would new white trichs be growing down below the canopy near the bottom?
My ec had been dropping or staying constant over the long haul. How could I be burning her if the ec is either stable or dropping? How could I be burning my plants with an .5 scale of 450ppm?
Kingrow1
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Just you wouldnt have this problem with growers with perfect plants throughout ergo we deem that the first and foremost problem.
What do you want me to say.... yer genetics or must be your super soil or that magic tea at week two or buy leds or throw more cal mag at it.
Kingrow1
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Dont start stupid threads then...
Thundercat
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Really sorry you didn't get the answers you wanted.
My first thought when I looked at these pictures a couple days ago was that they looked burned, not deficient. While the leaves would have a similar look, they aren't the same. I didn't post because you had already seemed defensive about it all when I saw it. However at this point I figured I would weigh in because why not
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Did the ambering of the pistils start about the same time as the koolbloom? Because the idea xtsho had seems very reasonable.
You said a couple posts up that your EC has been coming down over the grow not going up, which is probably great.
If I had to guess what happened here I would say that your EC got to high at the end of stretch and you burned the tips. You noticed that and adjusted things, and they stopped burning more. However there was damage done, and if it was done by to much P or K then perhaps this has caused the plants to mature quickly. Then you started adding the koolbloom and even though your not burning them anymore they are still maxed out on P and K. After all this the plants are growing which is great, you might have saved them. I would just try to ride it out at this point.
Just my thoughts based on what I've seen you post and the pictures. Its not impossible this could be strain related as well, I couldn't find what it was you were running or if it was seeds or clones.
My first thought when I looked at these pictures a couple days ago was that they looked burned, not deficient. While the leaves would have a similar look, they aren't the same. I didn't post because you had already seemed defensive about it all when I saw it. However at this point I figured I would weigh in because why not
. Did the ambering of the pistils start about the same time as the koolbloom? Because the idea xtsho had seems very reasonable.
You said a couple posts up that your EC has been coming down over the grow not going up, which is probably great.
If I had to guess what happened here I would say that your EC got to high at the end of stretch and you burned the tips. You noticed that and adjusted things, and they stopped burning more. However there was damage done, and if it was done by to much P or K then perhaps this has caused the plants to mature quickly. Then you started adding the koolbloom and even though your not burning them anymore they are still maxed out on P and K. After all this the plants are growing which is great, you might have saved them. I would just try to ride it out at this point.
Just my thoughts based on what I've seen you post and the pictures. Its not impossible this could be strain related as well, I couldn't find what it was you were running or if it was seeds or clones.
shawnery
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Not tryong to get defensive just wanting people to buy what I'm selling is all and not looking for an answer just looking for many answers.
I agree with your post completely!
I will just say thia aboit my p/k. It's not on top of my nutes it's in addition to my nutes and calculated to keep everything in range.
I still can't stop seeing a potassium deficiency which makes since at my stage of growth and would go against having to much.
Blackberry fire from clonea
I agree with your post completely!
I will just say thia aboit my p/k. It's not on top of my nutes it's in addition to my nutes and calculated to keep everything in range.
I still can't stop seeing a potassium deficiency which makes since at my stage of growth and would go against having to much.
Blackberry fire from clonea
Thundercat
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I was spinning it the other way. That it was originally too many nutrients but because of the stage of growth and the adjustments you made, it stopped being too much.
Have you ran this clone before to know exactly what it likes? I've had lots of strains react differently to the same nutrients. Some like it hot some like it cold, some like the nutrients 9 days old...... sorry i had to. But seriously every phenotype is different, and every clone grows different in a different garden. I'm sorry to say but even if your buddy grew this cut and told you exactly what he did for perfect buds, it still might not be right in your garden.
So no matter what you think you are calculating, it might be too much.......
Have you ran this clone before to know exactly what it likes? I've had lots of strains react differently to the same nutrients. Some like it hot some like it cold, some like the nutrients 9 days old...... sorry i had to. But seriously every phenotype is different, and every clone grows different in a different garden. I'm sorry to say but even if your buddy grew this cut and told you exactly what he did for perfect buds, it still might not be right in your garden.
So no matter what you think you are calculating, it might be too much.......
Thundercat
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Also I might add as a long term forum user. Its tough to get others to "buy what your selling". Meaning if you come into an issue with a preconceived idea and don't get the response you expect I don't suggest trying to convince everyone that you were right in the first place.
Newer RIU users do this all the time. They come on the forum and ask for help, but then when the help doesn't match what they want to hear they get defensive. Then they try to convince everyone they asked for help, that they are right and that everyone else is wrong.
From our few interactions in the last couple months Shawnery you seem like an ok guy that really tries to think things through and that's great. Please don't be offended by this comment bud, its really meant as constructive criticism. I've been around these forums for a lot of years and seen every kind of person come through this place. I've seen who gets good advice and help and learns and grows, and I've seen people get trolled right off the site.
shawnery
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No offense at all! That was well thought and meaningful and helpful all while being polite!
When I said buy what I'm selling i meant more accept the facts I state as facts and not assume I'm an odiot. A certain someone in this theead seams to do that all over this forum and is really who I was reacting to.
When I state I have the ppm's calculated I mean an accepted range of macronutrient levels not what someone said about a clone or strain. I agree it's a range and therefore fallible but it's not way out of line. For instance my p/k isnt some unknown number but a range so not added o top of the masterblend.
Usually a standered mix of master blend is as such for bloom.
Masterblend 12g, calnit 12g, mag sul 6g
With my current calculation
Masterblend 7g, calnit 9.5, mag sul 14g, koolbloom 6g
With the standered mix the micronutrients are to high so I added the koolbloom to get the p/k where I wanted but not make the micros to crazy.
When I said buy what I'm selling i meant more accept the facts I state as facts and not assume I'm an odiot. A certain someone in this theead seams to do that all over this forum and is really who I was reacting to.
When I state I have the ppm's calculated I mean an accepted range of macronutrient levels not what someone said about a clone or strain. I agree it's a range and therefore fallible but it's not way out of line. For instance my p/k isnt some unknown number but a range so not added o top of the masterblend.
Usually a standered mix of master blend is as such for bloom.
Masterblend 12g, calnit 12g, mag sul 6g
With my current calculation
Masterblend 7g, calnit 9.5, mag sul 14g, koolbloom 6g
With the standered mix the micronutrients are to high so I added the koolbloom to get the p/k where I wanted but not make the micros to crazy.