Chakra Energies

Heisenberg

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"You could measure how much money theTooth Fairy leaves under the pillow, whether she leaves more cash for the first or lasttooth, whether the payoff is greater if you leave the tooth in a plastic baggie versus wrapped in Kleenex. You can get all kinds of good data that is reproducible and statistically significant. Yes, you have learned something. But you haven’t learned what you think you’ve learned, because you haven’t bothered to establish whether theTooth Fairy really exists." – Harriet Hall
 

VegasWinner

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I do not consider myself an expert at energy with regards to the human body. I have studied physics at the graduate level, and physics teaches that we are energy. Energy with mostly empty space, like looking at the stars in space. I did not believe in Chakra's ten years ago, nor did I believe in Energy healing. However, having met people that do these activites, for a fee, and have done me for free for years, I believe, because I call tell the difference in pain and an absence of pain.

Chakra's are the energy centers of the body, that allows the body to communicate with the Universe. People have many names for the Power in the Universe, some call it GOD, Yawhee, Allah, The Wonderful Law of Life and Death, and Source Energy. All are correct, and none are wrong. Energy has one name energy. We all are balls of energy with atoms vibrating at high rates of speed. We are mostly empty space, with some vibrations occurring. Whether you believe in Physics or not, matters not. We are all energy creatures, just as everything in the Universe is an energy creature.

Understanding how to manage your personal energy is a benefit to the rest of us. peace
namaste
 

Heisenberg

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I do not consider myself an expert at energy with regards to the human body. I have studied physics at the graduate level, and physics teaches that we are energy. Energy with mostly empty space, like looking at the stars in space. I did not believe in Chakra's ten years ago, nor did I believe in Energy healing. However, having met people that do these activites, for a fee, and have done me for free for years, I believe, because I call tell the difference in pain and an absence of pain.

Chakra's are the energy centers of the body, that allows the body to communicate with the Universe. People have many names for the Power in the Universe, some call it GOD, Yawhee, Allah, The Wonderful Law of Life and Death, and Source Energy. All are correct, and none are wrong. Energy has one name energy. We all are balls of energy with atoms vibrating at high rates of speed. We are mostly empty space, with some vibrations occurring. Whether you believe in Physics or not, matters not. We are all energy creatures, just as everything in the Universe is an energy creature.

Understanding how to manage your personal energy is a benefit to the rest of us. peace
namaste

"In fact, energy is not really a tangible "thing" at all. Energy is a measurement of something's ability to perform work. Given this context, when spiritualists talk about your body's energy fields, they're really saying nothing that's even remotely meaningful. Yet this kind of talk has become so pervasive in our society that the vast majority of Americans accept that energy exists as a self-contained force, floating around in glowing clouds, and can be commanded by spiritualist adepts to do just about anything.

There is well known authority for the simple, concrete, scientific definition of energy. Take Einstein's equation, E=mc2, that every schoolchild knows but so few spend the 30 seconds it takes to understand. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. Speed is a function of distance and time, so energy can be expressed in mass, distance, and time. That's how we define work that can be done: actual, physical work. Energy is a measurement of work. If I lift a rock, I'm inputting enough potential energy to dent the surface of the table one centimeter when I drop it. The calories of chemical potential energy that my bloodstream absorbs when I eat a Power Bar charge up my muscles enough to dig 100kg of dirt in my garden. Nowhere did Einstein discuss hovering glowing clouds, or fields of mystical power generated by human spirits.

When spiritualists discuss energy, don't blindly accept what they're saying simply because energy is a word you're familiar with, and that sounds scientific. In many cases, their usage of the word is meaningless. When you hear the word energy casually used to explain a mystical force or capability, require clarification. Require that the energy be defined. Is it heat? Is it a spinning flywheel?"

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4002
 

eye exaggerate

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"In fact, energy is not really a tangible "thing" at all. Energy is a measurement of something's ability to perform work. Given this context, when spiritualists talk about your body's energy fields, they're really saying nothing that's even remotely meaningful. Yet this kind of talk has become so pervasive in our society that the vast majority of Americans accept that energy exists as a self-contained force, floating around in glowing clouds, and can be commanded by spiritualist adepts to do just about anything.

There is well known authority for the simple, concrete, scientific definition of energy. Take Einstein's equation, E=mc2, that every schoolchild knows but so few spend the 30 seconds it takes to understand. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. Speed is a function of distance and time, so energy can be expressed in mass, distance, and time. That's how we define work that can be done: actual, physical work. Energy is a measurement of work. If I lift a rock, I'm inputting enough potential energy to dent the surface of the table one centimeter when I drop it. The calories of chemical potential energy that my bloodstream absorbs when I eat a Power Bar charge up my muscles enough to dig 100kg of dirt in my garden. Nowhere did Einstein discuss hovering glowing clouds, or fields of mystical power generated by human spirits.

When spiritualists discuss energy, don't blindly accept what they're saying simply because energy is a word you're familiar with, and that sounds scientific. In many cases, their usage of the word is meaningless. When you hear the word energy casually used to explain a mystical force or capability, require clarification. Require that the energy be defined. Is it heat? Is it a spinning flywheel?"

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4002
What is the interface between the mechanicity of energy and how it affects us in our daily lives and relationships?
 

alaskachic

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Hi Heisen. So why does science have to explain everything? It seems to me that when science can not explain something its dismissed as heresy.
Energy IS tangible.
I have a strange ability to feel it from people. Even you dear heart!
Idk how or why I have this but it does run in my family.
I don't "predict the future" I just know stuff. I don't really have a good explanation that would satisfy
I am reading you now as iI write this.
Please allow me to demonstrate for you.
I come from the WHITE LIGHT of healing so do not be frightened.
We need to pm. I will try to pm you only once.
I feel like it could be very eye opening for you. If your willing to go deeper within the self.
And yes I get very hi before hand.
Thank you, I will await the message
 

VegasWinner

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[QUOTE="There is well known authority for the simple, concrete, scientific definition of energy. Take Einstein's equation, E=mc2, that every schoolchild knows but so few spend the 30 seconds it takes to understand. Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. Speed is a function of distance and time, so energy can be expressed in mass, distance, and time. That's how we define work that can be done: actual, physical work. Energy is a measurement of work. If I lift a rock, I'm inputting enough potential energy to dent the surface of the table one centimeter when I drop it. The calories of chemical potential energy that my bloodstream absorbs when I eat a Power Bar charge up my muscles enough to dig 100kg of dirt in my garden. Nowhere did Einstein discuss hovering glowing clouds, or fields of mystical power generated by human spirits.

When spiritualists discuss energy, don't blindly accept what they're saying simply because energy is a word you're familiar with, and that sounds scientific. In many cases, their usage of the word is meaningless. When you hear the word energy casually used to explain a mystical force or capability, require clarification. Require that the energy be defined. Is it heat? Is it a spinning flywheel?"

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4002[/QUOTE]
Focusing on that equation E=Mc2. Mass or a molecule, times the speed of light squared, the distance a molecule can move in a set time equal work. Your body is constantly working at the molecular level, you cannot see it is all. I am a retired Engineer, school trained, mentored by senior engineers, etc. I understand the work formula and energy. I am not a spiritualist, I am an open-minded person. I noted I am no expert in Chakra's, but my friend is. You can debate with her, she is on facebook, has her own website, and youtube outlet. Not me.

I do not blindly accept anything. I p;ointed out I had actual proof of the abilities of an energy worker and a chakra worker. Actual proof is not blind acceptance.

Energy creates heat. You really should talk to some experts on the matter. I am merely agreeing with what I feel. You are free to feel anyway you like, but not free to disparage others with a view different than yours. peace
namaste = My inherent noble nature bows in respect to your noble nature inherent within you.
 

VegasWinner

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What is the interface between the mechanicity of energy and how it affects us in our daily lives and relationships?
Our heart. it is the heart that matters most, is what I was taught my my Mentor.
The video by April Fontana explains the relationship and howe to perform chakra opening. peace
 

VegasWinner

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Hi Heisen. So why does science have to explain everything? It seems to me that when science can not explain something its dismissed as heresy.
Energy IS tangible.
I have a strange ability to feel it from people. Even you dear heart!
Idk how or why I have this but it does run in my family.
I don't "predict the future" I just know stuff. I don't really have a good explanation that would satisfy
I am reading you now as iI write this.
Please allow me to demonstrate for you.
I come from the WHITE LIGHT of healing so do not be frightened.
We need to pm. I will try to pm you only once.
I feel like it could be very eye opening for you. If your willing to go deeper within the self.
And yes I get very hi before hand.
Thank you, I will await the message
I was taught Science should be able to explain everything, in time, by my Mentors/Mentor, Josei Toda. There is proof we have influence over our environment. Dr. Emoto ->
it is a three minute video. peace.
 

Cannacat

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My mum is a reiki master, this just means she studied it fairly in depth. It's a Japanese (I think?) art of healing energy and focuses very much on the life force and chakras. I can do hands on reiki but I don't practice it much anymore except on myself or my fella if he's sick or has a headache or whatever. I don't pretend to understand how it works, but I know that it feels like it does. I feel it coming from my hands when I use it and I feel it throughout my body when I receive it. I'm not an idiot, I don't blindly believe every legend or myth that I stumble across on the internet, i don't see a meme on Facebook and then spout it as fact; I'm an intelligent, rational woman. Whether it's a placebo effect or not, I don't know, I couldn't say that isn't possible, but it feels real enough to me. I know that when I meditate, I go into the same mental state as when I perform reiki, and I can feel the chakras open when I meditate on them or when I receive a full body reiki treatment (which I haven't for years, mum doesn't need practice subjects anymore!), whether that is a real physical thing or the idea of something intangible, I always feel better for having focused on opening my chakras during meditation. It certainly isn't the only kind of meditation I use, or how I usually meditate, but it's definitely one that I always come back to over the years. I think we'd be a much better society if more of us made the effort to focus inwards more often, not in an egocentric way, but to reflect and relax. In fact, I think mindfulness should be taught from childhood, but I also completely respect that a lot of people enjoy the benefits of meditation without believing in the same things I do, chakras or whatever, and that's great for them. I've really put myself out there with this rambling, badly thought out post! I think what I'm trying to say is, it isn't the chakras that are important really, it's taking the time to be quiet and look within and reflect, to learn and find peace, and we should all do more of it. Happy 420 :peace:
 

alaskachic

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Hi Vegas so no science cannot explain everything. What never no way!
All the best human experience cannot be separated by a subterfuge.or measured in a beakerbut in my most humble opinion one can go under the microscope to examine the inner self.
Science can't really explain:
Compassion
Truth
Faith
Understanding
Empathy (my fav)
Those of us that have should share; be an example for others to gain it.
We all (I believe) have a much higher calling then what we know today. And the wise learn everyday & apply it tomorrow.
Nevertheless we think a lot alike in some ways
So Pow Pow Pow Pow I'm a straight shooter here so........,...
I Bow to the Divine within you dear heart!
I don't mind going toe to toe but....
I no like
VERBAL CHASING!
Namaste dear friend.
 

Heisenberg

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Hi Heisen. So why does science have to explain everything? It seems to me that when science can not explain something its dismissed as heresy.
Energy IS tangible.
No one has said science must explain everything, but when you use a word like energy in a scientific context, you evoke science.

I have studied physics at the graduate level, and physics teaches that we are energy.
If you want to claim some special ability then fine, but don't pretend that a scientific understanding of energy backs you up. That's what's known as equivocation. It's like saying, "I find the Sun to be attractive, and scientists say the sun is hot, so they agree." When you talk about energy you are talking about a very different concept than scientists, and there is nothing inappropriate in pointing this out.

Let's also not throw around the term closed-minded to describe people who are skeptical of your claims. Being open-minded means the willingness to consider new information and ideas, it doesn't mean we also have to be convinced by them. I am willing to believe you have some sort of ability, but when I see you misusing scientific terms and misinterpreting scientific results it only convinces me that your ideas are half-baked at best.
 

Heisenberg

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I do not blindly accept anything. I p;ointed out I had actual proof of the abilities of an energy worker and a chakra worker. Actual proof is not blind acceptance.
Proof is a tricky word. I don't demand anything be proven, just demonstrated to a degree that it would be unreasonable to deny it. Plenty of double-blind studies have been done on healing energy, and, like most alternative forms of treatment, they cannot show themselves to work beyond a placebo effect. It would be very strange if these treatment only work when we are not looking too closely at them.

Energy creates heat. You really should talk to some experts on the matter. I am merely agreeing with what I feel. You are free to feel anyway you like, but not free to disparage others with a view different than yours. peace
namaste = My inherent noble nature bows in respect to your noble nature inherent within you.
How can I talk to an expert about what you feel? You can feel whichever way you want, and you can talk about those feelings and express your thoughts on them, but if you confuse your feelings for science, don't be surprised when someone points it out, and don't mistake it for disparagement.

I think an expert would probably tell me that energy doesn't create heat, but rather heat is a form of energy. During energy transfer (work) some energy is lost due to heat exchange. So, is chakra energy subject to entropy?

Saying that living things are energy is, on some levels correct, but it is as meaningless as saying all cups of coffee are energy. You may as well say everything has volume - without further context you're not saying much.
 
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Heisenberg

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I was taught Science should be able to explain everything, in time, by my Mentors/Mentor, Josei Toda. There is proof we have influence over our environment. Dr. Emoto ->
it is a three minute video. peace.
This video is sort of a wishful thinking version of the story. Although Dr Emoto does believe that consciousness can affect matter, even he admits that these experiments are preliminary and sloppy. For example, he looked at hundreds of crystals and picked the ones he thought best represented "peace" or "happiness" and then used artistic filters to make them look even more so.

Imagine if I wanted to prove that wearing a cannabis t-shirt could influence the shapes of clouds. So, everyday for six months I put on my cannabis shirt, went outside, and took dozens of pictures of clouds. Then, after six months, I look through all of my photos and pick the one that looks most like a pot leaf, and then use photoshop to give the cloud a slightly green tint, and declare my hypothesis proven.

It shouldn't be hard to see that I've actually not performed a science experiment, but rather an exercise in confirmation bias.
 

Heisenberg

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My mum is a reiki master, this just means she studied it fairly in depth. It's a Japanese (I think?) art of healing energy and focuses very much on the life force and chakras. I can do hands on reiki but I don't practice it much anymore except on myself or my fella if he's sick or has a headache or whatever. I don't pretend to understand how it works, but I know that it feels like it does. I feel it coming from my hands when I use it and I feel it throughout my body when I receive it. I'm not an idiot, I don't blindly believe every legend or myth that I stumble across on the internet, i don't see a meme on Facebook and then spout it as fact; I'm an intelligent, rational woman. Whether it's a placebo effect or not, I don't know, I couldn't say that isn't possible, but it feels real enough to me. I know that when I meditate, I go into the same mental state as when I perform reiki, and I can feel the chakras open when I meditate on them or when I receive a full body reiki treatment (which I haven't for years, mum doesn't need practice subjects anymore!), whether that is a real physical thing or the idea of something intangible, I always feel better for having focused on opening my chakras during meditation. It certainly isn't the only kind of meditation I use, or how I usually meditate, but it's definitely one that I always come back to over the years. I think we'd be a much better society if more of us made the effort to focus inwards more often, not in an egocentric way, but to reflect and relax. In fact, I think mindfulness should be taught from childhood, but I also completely respect that a lot of people enjoy the benefits of meditation without believing in the same things I do, chakras or whatever, and that's great for them. I've really put myself out there with this rambling, badly thought out post! I think what I'm trying to say is, it isn't the chakras that are important really, it's taking the time to be quiet and look within and reflect, to learn and find peace, and we should all do more of it. Happy 420 :peace:

I agree with your central point. Mindfulness is useful and important to understanding ourselves and the reality around us. Just because meditation often gets lumped in with pseudoscientific nonsense doesn't mean it's useless.

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2015/10/23/yanss-061-how-to-willfully-alter-your-brains-ability-to-willfully-alter-your-brains-abilities/
 

Cannacat

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I agree with your central point. Mindfulness is useful and important to understanding ourselves and the reality around us. Just because meditation often gets lumped in with pseudoscientific nonsense doesn't mean it's useless.

https://youarenotsosmart.com/2015/10/23/yanss-061-how-to-willfully-alter-your-brains-ability-to-willfully-alter-your-brains-abilities/
Exactly. I've added the link to my playlist, it looks interesting, thanks. I use a lot of CBT & REBT in my work and it's very much about the power of consciously thinking differently in order to make positive changes in your life; I've seen people make massive changes, some are like different people when they get into it, and they're always really grateful but the fact is that they did it all themselves by just looking at things differently and making decisions differently than they usually would. It's actually really interesting. I think that's kind of the same thing.
 
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