Cherry Pie and Ken's GDP x Coco & LED

FranJan said:

Isn't the Ken's under the Advanced panel? LOL I'm such an Advanced hater, and that model panel in particular, this is just more ammo for me if it's true. When PSU (finally) comes to steal your good stuff, I'm gonna pay him 20 bucks to smash it with a hammer .

I was wondering, do plants tend to get shocky when you transplant them into coco? Looking good nonetheless and thanks for sharing this Puff!

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Yeah kens gdp is under the xml but im 90% sure thats not the issue. I've vegged under the light just fine before and even the cherry pies started out under it. Why so much hate onthe advanced xml? Its been a good light for me so far.

Thats the thing, I've never really had clones get shocked like this before in coco. Usually its a quick and easy transplant and they are off and running. I know I lost a few roots during the transplant so maybe thats what happened? Im seriously debating grabbing a few more new ones if these don't pick up by friday.

And fuck, you guys are confusing me with the genetic talk. I have no clue what cherry pie is now.

Did some research, and still don't know for sure what Cherry Pie's exact genetics are. I even asked when I got them and forgot. I know it has GDP and something else, could be either durban poison or og kush or both. i read claims for all three possibilities. I also read it's the same as cherry kush, and I also read it wasn't, that cherry kush is purple afghani x og kush. Sounds pretty similar.

Here's my guess knowing where "Cherry Pie" comes from: my guess is that it's GDP (way more common than purple afghani around here) crossed with some variety of og kush (also more common and i seem to only remember it being a GDP crossed with one other strain). I'll try to take a trip down there this week where I got them from and I'll ask again. All I know is it's supposed to be killer if grown right and I'm hoping to knock it out of the park.

I don't really care much what the exact lineage is anyway. It sounded good and the buzz out here is all about it so I figured I'd check it out for myself. I'm sure it matters to some people, but I don't really care. It won't change the end result of me being satisfied if there's an extra strain mixed in there somewhere or it's one cross instead of the other.

Since my clones didn't come trademarked I'm left with what the dude at the dispensary told me, my half-shot memory of what he said, and some slightly conflicting-slightly concurring claims I read on various websites to form my own conclusion of not giving a fuck.

That is all I have to say about Cherry Pie genetics.

P.S. Let me know if you figure it out.

puffenuff said:

Yeah kens gdp is under the xml but im 90% sure thats not the issue. I've vegged under the light just fine before and even the cherry pies started out under it. Why so much hate on the advanced xml? Its been a good light for me so far.

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I have to admit I'm an Advanced hater because of the way they sell and market panels. I think they're full of shit and have never been impressed with what I've seen compared to other panels, especially for the price. And the Cree XML lamp, without going into detail, is not as good for growing weed compared to other white Crees or other companies offerings IMO. It's like so many LED growers see Cree and they get on their knees in homage to how great their technology is, not to how good it works growing cannabis and the Advanced XML is the poster child to me of that school of thought. And I'm sure the XML has been nice to you. You can grow bud with a Bic .

Good points and advanced are a bit more pricey than some option. I got into the led game starting with advanced back when options were really limited (advanced, glh, hgl, or blackstars were the main players) so I had good results with advanced and just sort of stuck with them. Plus discounts on preorders kept me coming back. Now theres more options available and new companies have started offering more transparency into their lights and how they are made, which I must admit, the older companies still need to improve in those areas.

In honor of your hate for the xml, I have turned it off for a while in veg. I want to make sure that the gdp aren't stunted due to the light. This may add more fuel to your fire. And if thats the case, my next apache may come sooner than expected. But that said, I've been happy with it so far.

Maaaaaaan, if they die I'm gonna be a pariah around here. LOL

FranJan said:

Maaaaaaan, if they die I'm gonna be a pariah around here. LOL

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I'll be the first to blame you............

^^^Oh I'm sure you'll have the coals nice and hot for me P. Just please don't brand the word "Astir" across my forehead . LOL

Hey puff. What I found out about the strain , cherry pie is gdp x durban poison. The girl scout cookies is og x cherry pie.

Quite a bit of sativa lineage in there. No kush though.

FranJan said:

Maaaaaaan, if they die I'm gonna be a pariah around here. LOL

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No worries, Fran. I don't think they'll die, maybe just stay super small? I think they're starting to get better finally...maybe a day (and more) with the xml off is what the dr ordered.

PSUAGRO. said:

I'll be the first to blame you............

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If I find them dead, I'll fall to my knees in front of the tent, fists to the sky, yelling "FRRAAAANNN-JAAAAANN!!!!"

FranJan said:

^^^Oh I'm sure you'll have the coals nice and hot for me P. Just please don't brand the word "Astir" across my forehead . LOL

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Hot coals and branding. This is getting kind of kinky fellas. Proceed with caution?

hyroot said:

Hey puff. What I found out about the strain , cherry pie is gdp x durban poison. The girl scout cookies is og x cherry pie.

Quite a bit of sativa lineage in there. No kush though.

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Thanks, hyroot. Sounds about right to me.

Veg Day 11

I turned off the xml for a while until the KGDP start improving. Which I think they are finally starting to come around. We'll see what they look like on Friday when it will be two weeks. If they haven't done shit by then I think I'll have to scrap them or at least keep them in the corner to do whatever they want. If that happens, I'm going to keep the cherry pie, train the shit out of them, maybe transplant to bigger containers and veg out 3 new clones, preferably more KGDP for a few weeks. So this might turn out to be a prolonged grow.

Group Shots. The Cherry Pie have been great, thriving. The KGDP haven't grown an inch yet.


Just the off-center AT120WR killing the 3x3.


Cherry Pie. Growing into sexy ladies.


And now for the stubborn bitches.

This one looks the worst. Yellowing bottom leaves. Makes me sad every time I look at her.


This one doesn't look that bad. But I noticed some purpling on the topmost fan leaf. Doubt it would be the purple genetics showing already, so maybe a lockout or ph issue? Tops look green but slow/zero growth. Anyone?


Same as above. Didn't see purple on leaves on this one unless I just missed.


So that's where I'm at right now. Loving half of my girls and scared to death over the other half. It's painful and killing me not knowing what's going on. Just trying to get them better. I flushed the KGDP last night, hope things improve in the next few days, or like I said, they'll likely banished to the corner and replaced.

That's all for now. Update again in a few days. Thanks for all the love so far. Much appreciated.

in need of nitrogen big time!

Thought that might be it. Last feeding I upped the N levels by adjusting mix ratios of nutrients. Seemed to have helped some. What's the best way to quick fix Nitrogen?

veg nutes. light dose. maybe half veg, half bloom

puffenuff said:

Thought that might be it. Last feeding I upped the N levels by adjusting mix ratios of nutrients. Seemed to have helped some. What's the best way to quick fix Nitrogen?

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foilar feeding right before lights off with a N based spray. the GDP growth is very tight so while it looks like they are growing slow they are getting ready to bush out but they need a good feeding. i feed clones that size about 4-600 ppm in my hydro room and using coco like u do u are in need of a hydroponic feed program that increases in ppms as the girls grow. those huge fan leaves the gdp wants to produce need alot of food to do their thing. coco doesnt retain much food if any so the risk of nutrient burn is not so huge a worry. go ahead and feed them good....at this point u haven't much to lose. ps those yellow bottom leaves are telling you the plant it starved. dispensaries rarely feed the clones so it was starving when u bought it most likely.

God damn that apache is bright...That new apache panel might be something special............Ok puff, you didn't pretreat(nutes) your cocco?? if not maybe a N def, but you fed them some last time right?? I'd give them a decent dryout(your under leds bro) , N def's = overwatering look similar .....if no improvement UP the veg nutes...no biggie

shit why am i giving advice when my cheese has yet to recover from a def five weeks ago in SOIL!.........lol ......happy growing puffy

Foliar feeding does sound right. I don't know the KGDP strain well but I see some signs of PH problems. A few angled tips here and there and some twisting of new leaves leaves me to believe this.

I have a clone that I took from a flowering plant recently and it got that yellow with the purple splotching thing yours has after a few days. Got bad too. Foliar feeding cured it, though it took a few days to reverse it and get the leaves to go green. I believe it's rooting now, so as you see it's never too late for our favorite plant. Good Luck Bro!

Thanks for the advice guys. last night I mixed up 6ml of magic green to 1L of water and foliar feed them. It was all I had in terms of an additive that could be sprayed with good levels of N. Hoping they are going to perk up soon. In any case, I pretty much decided I should grab a few extra clones this weekend just incase these dont end up producing much. Will keep everyone updated.

Ok, it's been a few days since I last checked in. In that time I've (some-what) saved 2 out of the 3 KGDP. One didn't pull through. The foliar spray seemed to really help the survivors pull through. I am still skeptical about what they'll produce so that's why I got 4 new KGDP and 1 new Cherry Pie and they are looking good so far. Not going to claim victory quite yet, need a few more days to make sure. Turns out I was using expired base nutrients, not sure if that was all or part of the issue but it definitely wasn't a good thing ...didn't realize how old they were until I was looking at them today. Went out and got some fresh nutes so everything should be fine now.

Cherry Pie on the LEFT and TOP MIDDLE. KGDP on the RIGHT and Column 2 (bottom 3) It's really easy to pick out which 2 are the old KGDP (hint: lightest green)


Cherry Pie 1-4.


Ken's GDP 1-4


Seem to be back on the right track and keeping my fingers crossed the worst is behind me. Thinking about 2-3 more weeks of veg. It's been just over 2 so far and I want to give the newest additions enough time to grow some. Hope you all stick with me through out, might be a longer journey than expected. That's all for now. Thanks for stopping in.

Peace and I'm playing in CandyLand...

This is gonna be dope. I've been curious about all white LED's for a while, but couldn't find a grow.


That bud is fucking ridiculous. Wtf is that?? If only the buds down here looked that delectable, I wouldn't need to grow my own. Did you grow those?

gargantuanganja said:

This is gonna be dope. I've been curious about all white LED's for a while, but couldn't find a grow.


That bud is fucking ridiculous. Wtf is that?? If only the buds down here looked that delectable, I wouldn't need to grow my own. Did you grow those?

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Sup, G! Just so you know, my apache isn't 100% white, it's white:red @ a 3:2 ratio. Those buds are some CandyLand, which is Bay Platinum Cookies x GDP. One of Ken Estes' newest strains. No I didn't grow it, treated myself to a little something special at the dispensary. Very potent stain. highly recommended.

Well, shit. I might have to grow some Girl Scout Cookies. It's some of the prettiest bud I've seen and GDP, OG, and Durban make for some gorgeous crosses.

I'm sure you're gonna be really happy with that light. I always wondered why these lights were so damn expensive, but I guess I'll soon find out!