CHINA SYNDROME

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China Syndrome – Xi and Putin Partnered in U.S. Election Interference
But what else is Russia up to? And more importantly with whom?

Russia, more than most, does things strategically. It has always placed great importance on long term planning. Operationally they coordinate all aspects of planning and they integrate all operations they carry out to their strategic objectives.

The attack on the 2016 US Election was not just an isolated operation in response to US sanctions of Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea.

And in this Putin had a partner in crime.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/11/09...putin-partnered-in-u-s-election-interference/

In 2010 the then Vice President of the People’s Republic of China, Xi Jinping, visited Moscow at the express invitation of then Prime Minister Putin. Xi was slated to take over as China’s President in 2012. Putin was due to stand for “election” to become Russia’s President at about the same time. Both were deeply concerned about the direction of the Obama Administration’s towards their respective countries. The two men by all accounts formed a close and warm relationship from the outset.

Both Xi and Putin talked extensively about global power moving from a Unipolar World (read US leadership) to a Multi Polar World (Russia & China leading with some minor other players). Both men made it clear they were against what they saw as American values (liberal Democracy) being pushed unfettered around the world. They saw these values as neither universal nor applicable to them or their Governments.

In December 2010 a series of uprisings, beginning in Tunisia and spreading to Libya, Egypt, Syria, Yemen and Bahrain occurred. This became known as the Arab Spring. Protests occurred in a number of other Arab countries also, notably Saudi Arabia, Lebanon & Iran.

But what rattled leaders in the Middle East was President Obama’s support of the uprisings in Egypt ,Syria and Libya.

China and Russia both were against the US supporting these uprisings with Russia describing it as “Western Belligerence”. Leaders across the Arab world became nervous about US policy to their own regimes, particularly after close US Ally Hosni Mubarak in Egypt was seen by many Arab leaders to have been “abandoned” by Obama in favour of the will of the Egyptian people.

Both Russia & China subsequently increased their diplomacy & presence in the Middle East via economic and in Russia’s case , military footprint in Syria. The message to the Arab Leaders was clear. You have alternatives to America. Relations with the Obama administration continued to erode with both Russia and China.

In 2012 Congress passed the Magnitsky Act which President Obama signed. This directly affected for the first time the illegal financial activities of Putin and the Oligharchs that supported him. Vladimir Putin saw this as a direct assault on himself by President Obama & Secretary of State Clinton.

Similarly, the Chinese Government had much to be annoyed about with US policy. Obama, at the urging of SecState Clinton, had begun the Asia Pivot, a refocusing of American economic and military power in the Western Pacific Asia area. China saw this as an attempt to keep them from their rightful place as a Great Power.

In late 2012 Xi Jinping was confirmed as President of China. His first overseas trip was to Russia in early 2013. By this time Vladimir Putin was again President of Russia.

At this point Hillary Clinton had resigned as Secretary of State and President Obama had just started his second term. It must have been obvious to both men that she was preparing to run for President in 2016. This was the nightmare they faced. An American administration that would continue with Obama’s policies of supporting Democracy movements and resisting China and Russia’s ambitions. The genesis of the idea may have started in the years before when they first met. Certainly by 2013 Xi and Putin, I put to you, agreed to work together to actively undermine the United States political process, if for nothing else, to prevent a Democratic successor to Obama. It is important to note that from this time onward Russia and China agreed to dramatically increase cooperation in all areas including Military & Intelligence sharing.

Putin by this time was already well aware that Republican strategist Paul Manafort was working for the then Russian supported Ukraine dictator Viktor Yanukovych. Putin would have also known about Donald Trump and the birther claims he made against Obama and how Obama had humiliated him at the 2011 Press Correspondents Dinner. By Donald Trump’s own admission, he was phoned by Putin in Nov 2013. We don’t know if there was contact between the two men prior to that.

Trump and his adult children had extensive business contacts and interests in both Russia and China. There were multiple leverage points on Trump and his children. Putin also knew Trump had extensive shadow relationships to Russian mobsters. The mark was chosen.

Putin and Xi would have seen the original success of President Obama in the 2008 election was derived in a great part , by the online campaign the Obama Team was able to formulate and that massive influence internet operations had to Obama’s success. This was Putin and Xi’s way in, they saw. A low risk, high gain Hybrid War Operation.



At this point it is instructive to illustrate how China has conducted itself internationally in its own “Hybrid War” tactics, especially since Xi came to power.

Both US and Australian Intelligence agencies have stated that Chinese Intelligence organs use China’s international businesses and nationals to conduct intelligence operations against the West. This includes theft of information and intellectual property, penetration of databases, and influence operations. In the Australian context, this included hacks into several Australian Government databases and servers, use of Chinese students studying in Australia to promote Chinese Government objectives and attempts to influence Australian Government policy through political donations or payments via third parties. In a recent case a member of the Australian Parliament, Sam Dastyari , was found to have received payments from a Chinese national in order to support the Chinese Governments position regarding the South China Sea dispute.

Since Xi came to power these types of operations have been stepped up exponentially.

So, one may ask, how sure am I China that was part of the 2016 US Election attack? The most prominent give away was Donald Trump’s opposition to the Trans Pacific Partnership or TPP. The TPP was not just an economic pact, it would have also effectively been a security pact against Chinese economic hegemony across the Asia-Pacific. It would have protected smaller nations from economic pressure that China could exert on them and the Pact specifically excluded China. Xi complained loud and hard about the TPP. The TPP would have actually protected American jobs and economic power in the long term. It was not just Steve Bannon, who only officially came to the campaign in August 2016, who opposed it. Trump was opposing it as early as late 2015. For an international businessman it was a stunning policy to have. But not if he was following Russia & China’s wishes.

Furthermore, what have we seen since Trump was inaugurated on January 20th? China has launched its own version of the TPP, the New Silk Road and Belt, a development that will see roads, ports, rail links and oil & gas pipelines stretching from Central Europe and Russia, through Turkey, Iran and Central Asia to China. Additionally the ocean side of this, the “Belt” will link to Malaysia, Pakistan and Kenya with a rail line running through Kenya to East Africa.

Oil & Gas from Russian and Arab countries will run directly to China over land through pipelines. Strategically that would somewhat nullify the US Navy’s ability to interdict or blockade Oil and Gas supplies to China in any future conflict.

We have also seen China & Russia accelerating business investments in the Middle East, with Russia playing a lead political role with Saudi Arabia and Iran. Under Trump, America is slowly losing influence in the Middle East and appears to be in lockstep with Russian & Chinese political & economic objectives for the area. And Arab leaders appear to be going along with it

The fact of the matter is this. China had as much to lose , if not more, had Hillary Clinton won the 2016 Election. Putin and Xi planned this operation together. Russia took the lead as it had the most contacts with the American players on Trump’s side. China provided technical and general intelligence support to the Operation.

The international intrigue we are seeing now over with North Korea is nothing but a Kabuki Dance designed to confuse and distract the Western public from what is really going on. North Korea would not scratch its nose without China & Russia’s say so, let alone fire missiles.

Fact is that the biggest geopolitical heist in history occurred when Donald J Trump was elected as President. Because he was elected not by the people, for the people, but by and for the interests of the Russian Federation – and the People’s Republic of China.
 
Yip as on FOX news too

many an 'merican has commented on me personally saying

I don't take a dump without a plan

and I'm known for my crazy Ivans

any more 'mercan cliches I can think off ?

....na!
 
triggered.
@vostok is justified in his skepticism.

I read as much of that as I could. It was just a long monologue filled with the writer's thoughts and cherry picked "facts". Very unconvincing, mostly read and felt like propaganda.

From those cherry picked dates and facts, the writer's propounds an unsubstantiated theory. There are no other independent much less verifiable sources that say Putin and Xi colluded on the hacking of our elections. I'm fine to be proven wrong on this, I will point out the ease with which you Berners accept conspiracy theories.

I don't doubt that China has a hacking and propaganda presence on social media, I just doubt that there is a connection between Xi and Putin in the Russian scandal that is embroiling Trump's administration.
 
@vostok is justified in his skepticism.

I read as much of that as I could. It was just a long monologue filled with the writer's thoughts and cherry picked "facts". Very unconvincing, mostly read and felt like propaganda.

From those cherry picked dates and facts, the writer's propounds an unsubstantiated theory. There are no other independent much less verifiable sources that say Putin and Xi colluded on the hacking of our elections. I'm fine to be proven wrong on this, I will point out the ease with which you Berners accept conspiracy theories.

I don't doubt that China has a hacking and propaganda presence on social media, I just doubt that there is a connection between Xi and Putin in the Russian scandal that is embroiling Trump's administration.
er ....I didn't post that TLDR tempted crap,

China Syndrome – Xi and Putin Partnered in U.S. Election Interference
But what else is Russia up to? And more importantly with whom?


(https://patribotics.blog/2017/11/09...putin-partnered-in-u-s-election-interference/)
 
China, US sign 10-year energy, environment framework
July 1, 2008 - 03:00 BJT (10:00 GMT) Xinhua News Agency June 19, 2008

Exxon isn't gonna broker oil for china without russia getting a cut.
 
There's motive; Putin and Xi both have an interest in containing the US.

There's opportunity; both understand the use of the Internet and social media to influence people and sow dissent, confusion and discord.

By itself, that's just circumstantial evidence.

There is evidence of plenty of Sino-Russian cooperation in the Middle East and Africa, as well as in terms of trade and infrastructure development.

There's evidence of Russian influence in social media. There hasn't been much in terms of Chinese activity, at least so far.

Going forward, such cooperation could be a serious threat to American interests. We've definitely made it in their interest to do so, rather than working with us.

We're also running around and making asses of ourselves with second and third tier nations around the world- which makes them seriously consider closer ties with China and Russia, in large part because they're seen as more consistent and predictable partners than the US.

America is definitely busy digging its own grave in this regard. Just one example is the fact that the current administration has absolutely gutted Federal Departments and Agencies from the Department of State to the Department of Energy, USDA, and more.

Russia and China may not have colluded as the above piece suggests- but to think they won't in the future seems unlikely. They have far too much to gain and we've done a shit job of convincing them they have much to lose.
 
Short-sighted and stupid shitpost, all too in character for you.
Explain how it doesn't perfectly characterize this shitty thread?

Let's go point by point:

The source is a shitty, thought guide, blog post.

The OP is a blatant and repeatedly proven anti-semite, bigot and racist.

And finally thread is shitty because of the product of the two aforementioned factors.
 
Explain how it doesn't perfectly characterize this shitty thread?

Let's go point by point:

The source is a shitty, thought guide, blog post.

The OP is a blatant and repeatedly proven anti-semite, bigot and racist.

And finally thread is shitty because of the product of the two aforementioned factors.
As usual, zero discussion of the thread topic.

You shitpost in the desperate hope to gain approval from Buckwit.

Everything that's being discussed here is hopelessly beyond your comprehension.

It wouldn't be if you did some homework, but you've never shown yourself to be willing to put in the effort.

You're wasting time you could be spending with your family.
 
As usual, zero discussion of the thread topic.

You shitpost in the desperate hope to gain approval from Buckwit.

Everything that's being discussed here is hopelessly beyond your comprehension.

It wouldn't be if you did some homework, but you've never shown yourself to be willing to put in the effort.

You're wasting time you could be spending with your family.
So once again you won't address the individually presented factual points?

No-one likes you, kill yourself and let the bears find you.
 
So once again you won't address the individually presented factual points?

No-one likes you, kill yourself and let the bears find you.
Hi no one.

Where's the comment on the thread topic?

Show us how that leaving your body for the bears thing works?
 
As usual, zero discussion of the thread topic.

You shitpost in the desperate hope to gain approval from Buckwit.

Everything that's being discussed here is hopelessly beyond your comprehension.

It wouldn't be if you did some homework, but you've never shown yourself to be willing to put in the effort.

You're wasting time you could be spending with your family.

You've gone full Fdd, never go full Fdd.

Remember that time you threatened to quit posting here?
 
The thread is nonsense.

I clicked it thinking it would be about nuclear power plant disasters.

That is what "China Syndrome" is: when nuclear material melts through the earth "clear to China" per the movie of the same name.

The OP is complete nonsense, has nothing to do with the title, and has little basis in reality in any regard.

But then again, consider the source.

How do you not fucking get that?

He is still too busy spamming the entire site with his bullshit to actually 'get' anything:

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