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canadiankushman said:
Abe, I'm watering by hand when the soil gets dry a couple inches down. Usually they get about 10 gallons of rainwater per week. I am thinking about switching to blumats and a gravity feed system for irrigation.

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Cool. I was thinking blu mats would be a good option for this. If you pull the trigger on the blu mats look up a member here named Rrog. He uses those and he really knows his stuff
 
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Abe, it could be that being a PITA really is the only thing he is good at. Too bad his mom didn't just swallow him like all his competitors in the race to the egg.. :?

Regards,

Ck.
 
abe supercro

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yeah @slumdog80 first mentioned those geopot beds to me. I've never worked in a big planter box/bed but I understand that they can be very productive. maybe a project for the barn.

have a great Sunday peeps, even you too @woody333333
 
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image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg Here are some pics of mine, first was taken couple days ago. Second is a Jack Herer and third is a random bud off my outdoor strain. Just something to look at while I wait to update.

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Had to cut down the SSSDH and the Northern Lights. The female seeds were not so female :(... The rest are looking great though, new shoots popping out everywhere, very healthy plants.

Regards,

Ck.
 
canadiankushman

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image.jpg Fed 3 gallons of compost tea. Brewed 2 days with some soft rock phosphate, kelp meal, molasses, fish hydroslayte, fresh aloe gel.
Made sure to wash off the remaining bit of dried on plant material (dandelion) from the last tea. The olive oil in my foliar spray is keeping the leaves nice and shiny.

Took a pic and tried my best to edit the yellow out. They look a little beat up because I just gave each of them a thorough inspection. PM free and bad bug free.
 
Pattahabi

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Hey Canadian! Looks like you have a great start! I'm super envious of the giant tub. I would love to try a big bed one of these days.

These are just a couple of things to think about. One the teas, there is a difference beteween a nutrient tea and a compost tea. This is often confused. One of the primary goals of making a compost tea is multiplying microbes. I'd be more then willing to give a longer explanation, but for now, know that anything you add to your tea is going to lower your dissolved oxygen and increase the chance the mix could go anerobic (this includes too much ewc). Microbeman does a lot of research on this, and molasses, water, microbially active ewc and lots of aeration are all that you need. In addition know that Aloe gel will rapidly ferment. From what I have read it should be used within 20 mins. One thing I have done is add the aloe right before I water with the tea. I don't think the aloe is necessary, but old habits die hard.

I always recommend a good layer of mulch on top of your soil. I like to use leaves, but there are many options. Keep in mind there is a lot of microbial activity going on in the top 4 inches (10 cm) of soil. Long story short, dry soil = dead soil. Somehow you have to keep that a little moist without overwatering.

I am curious why you are adding olive oil to your foliar sprays? This seems like it could be potentially damaging. The three balde fan leaves make me think maybe they are not completely happy. Now don't get me wrong, I think you are doing a great job, and totally on the right track. Just a few random stoned thoughts!

Much respect!
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canadiankushman

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Pattahabi said:
Hey Canadian! Looks like you have a great start! I'm super envious of the giant tub. I would love to try a big bed one of these days.

These are just a couple of things to think about. One the teas, there is a difference beteween a nutrient tea and a compost tea. This is often confused. One of the primary goals of making a compost tea is multiplying microbes. I'd be more then willing to give a longer explanation, but for now, know that anything you add to your tea is going to lower your dissolved oxygen and increase the chance the mix could go anerobic (this includes too much ewc). Microbeman does a lot of research on this, and molasses, water, microbially active ewc and lots of aeration are all that you need. In addition know that Aloe gel will rapidly ferment. From what I have read it should be used within 20 mins. One thing I have done is add the aloe right before I water with the tea. I don't think the aloe is necessary, but old habits die hard.

I always recommend a good layer of mulch on top of your soil. I like to use leaves, but there are many options. Keep in mind there is a lot of microbial activity going on in the top 4 inches (10 cm) of soil. Long story short, dry soil = dead soil. Somehow you have to keep that a little moist without overwatering.

I am curious why you are adding olive oil to your foliar sprays? This seems like it could be potentially damaging. The three balde fan leaves make me think maybe they are not completely happy. Now don't get me wrong, I think you are doing a great job, and totally on the right track. Just a few random stoned thoughts!

Much respect!
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Hey Pattahabi,

Thx for the tips and for checking out my thread! I am currently reading through the microbeorganics.com page and learning much, I will no longer add too much to my teas besides compost unless I am trying to accomplish certain things that I cannot do with foliar sprays.
I am still a little lost on the concept of a no-till bed and I was hoping that adding some teas with green organic material (that's pretty much in a liquid state) will help to bolster the fungi and bacteria that are living in my soil instead of a "boom/bust" type of ecosystem where the microbeasts are added and then go dormant and need to be awaken again. I was also thinking that since it was pureed green material that it would be broken down even faster than the leaf mulch. I keep quite a bit of pruned leaves on the soil, and like I stated in an earlier post, they decay rapidly so maybe this is all the constant food I need for them..

I will back off on the aloe gel, I have just read that it helps as an anti-stress agent and that brings me to the point you made about the three blade leafs.

The three leaf fans is due to revegging. That strain is not only very photo-sensitive, but like one of its parent strains, it's also sensitive to auto flowering one root bound. Once the roots bind up it begins to flower, (grapefruit trait) but if re-potted at the right time, it will re-veg. Some phenos are more sensitive than others and I use this to my advantage. It's like if you took a clone off of a plant that's 20 days into flower, AKA, "monster cropped" except I do it from seed and I can keep my light schedule going on a veg schedule for other strains that are in the same room and end up with sort of the same results in the same amount of time if not less.

The olive oil.. I live in the middle of no where and neem oil is hard to come by. It also seems to work great as a sticking agent and for preventative measures against PM or mixed with milk and a drop or two of oregano oil for outbreaks. Fungus gnats also seem to dislike it. I use about two table spoons in my 32oz spray bottle and continuously shake the bottle while spraying. My leaves shine beautifully for about 10 days after an application, less if I water directly on the plants though. Have used it in the past right up until flushing stage without any adverse tastes or smells.
Regards,

Ck.
 
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canadiankushman

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I should also mention that I plan to put down some type of wood chips or Cedar bark as a means of cover, but am seriously up in the air about it as I think a cover crop would be of more benefit. Any advice?

Ck.
 
Pattahabi

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canadiankushman said:
Hey Pattahabi,

Thx for the tips and for checking out my thread! I am currently reading through the microbeorganics.com page and learning much, I will no longer add too much to my teas besides compost unless I am trying to accomplish certain things that I cannot do with foliar sprays.
I am still a little lost on the concept of a no-till bed and I was hoping that adding some teas with green organic material (that's pretty much in a liquid state) will help to bolster the fungi and bacteria that are living in my soil instead of a "boom/bust" type of ecosystem where the microbeasts are added and then go dormant and need to be awaken again. I was also thinking that since it was pureed green material that it would be broken down even faster than the leaf mulch. I keep quite a bit of pruned leaves on the soil, and like I stated in an earlier post, they decay rapidly so maybe this is all the constant food I need for them..

I will back off on the aloe gel, I have just read that it helps as an anti-stress agent and that brings me to the point you made about the three blade leafs.

The three leaf fans is due to revegging. That strain is not only very photo-sensitive, but like one of its parent strains, it's also sensitive to auto flowering one root bound. Once the roots bind up it begins to flower, (grapefruit trait) but if re-potted at the right time, it will re-veg. Some phenos are more sensitive than others and I use this to my advantage. It's like if you took a clone off of a plant that's 20 days into flower, AKA, "monster cropped" except I do it from seed and I can keep my light schedule going on a veg schedule for other strains that are in the same room and end up with sort of the same results in the same amount of time if not less.

The olive oil.. I live in the middle of no where and neem oil is hard to come by. It also seems to work great as a sticking agent and for preventative measures against PM or mixed with milk and a drop or two of oregano oil for outbreaks. Fungus gnats also seem to dislike it. I use about two table spoons in my 32oz spray bottle and continuously shake the bottle while spraying. My leaves shine beautifully for about 10 days after an application, less if I water directly on the plants though. Have used it in the past right up until flushing stage without any adverse tastes or smells.
Regards,

Ck.
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It's late, and I'm really high, but insomnia eh... I'll do the best I can to point you in the right direction. First off, yup, follow MM's tea directions. Nuff said. ;)

Fungal homes, you have rock dust, other material in there that will do the job. Adding the teas will also help. I'm really a big fan of top dressing amendments, and you are going to have to do this with a no-till. A top dress for me would be something like this (plant soil dependant of course) on top of my soil later added anywhere from 2-8 tbsp of an equal part kelp/crab/neem meal. On top of that I add some dried comfrey, chamomile, lavender, etc, and then a layer of leaf mulch (or another crabon rich mulching material). Are you in the United States?

Foliars... Ok, ditch the olive oil unless I missed somewhere that this was good for ipm. If you don't have neem oil/can't order it (lmk, might be able to find you some), I would go to botanicals next. Always start light and slowly go up on dosages. I often use organic rosemary, cilantro, lavendar, mint. Fresh is better. Growing your own is even better. Puree plant material in blender. Strain, add aloe (1/4c per gallon), silica (I use protekt and add 5ml per gal), and spray immediately. 1/4c per gallon of aloe water, or 1/4tsp of 200x powder per gallon water is awesome to spray on the plants for an inbetween. They'll love it. I don't have al ot of experience with pm. From what I have heard, spraying silica will help with this.

canadiankushman said:
I should also mention that I plan to put down some type of wood chips or Cedar bark as a means of cover, but am seriously up in the air about it as I think a cover crop would be of more benefit. Any advice?

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I know zero about wood chip mulching except not cedar or walnut. These are alleopathic. Leaf mulch is what I use. A lot of people use straw mulch. I have mixed feelings on live cover crops. I'm pretty new to no-tilling, so you would want to talk to someone with more experience.To me, it seems really hard to top dress like I like to with a live mulch (unless you are going to do a chop and drop or something). I like my leaf mulch. Then I move it to the side and top dress amendments/ewc/etc as needed. Pour a compost tea on top of that and you'll be rocking.

Ok, totally high and rambling, and I'm sure I missed something.

Peace,
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canadiankushman

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Watered today, 5 gallons of rainwater. Lots of new bud sites and two of the faster phenos have small buds forming.

Regards,

Ck.
 
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Some photos I took today.

-First is the little Trainwreck
-Second is a group shot
-Third is showing the leaves going back to a five blade config
-Fourth is showing new bud formation, not bad for a little over a week of 12/12. Might take a couple clones of this one for future seed breeding, very photo-sensitive.

Thx for checking out the pics,

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canadiankushman

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Thanks 404notfound!

I picked up some organic fertilizer from the organic market in the city, does anyone have any experience with this stuff?
The ingredients read : bat guano, citric and lactic acid.
I've been thinking of feeding this stuff along with some liquid kelp and alfalfa tea to get something with roughly a 2-4-6 NPK.. Advisable?

Let me know,

Ck.
 

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Thx 404 I will definitely check out your grow! I will use those ferts but I'm going to wait until the Trainwreck and Super Silver start to look a little more set into flowering. The trainwreck is starting to really push more shoots out now but it hasn't stretched much at all and neither has the Super Silver which is in the shadow of the centre plant. Both of those plants received some training today; I bent them over so they receive more light. I think they are still hard at work and focused on making roots in that huge tub..

Speaking of the tub, I took a couple more pics today with my 2 gallon watering can in the pic just to give y'all an idea how big these are right now, kinda put things into perspective..

Can you see the 2 gallon watering can in the first pic?
Second pic shows new growth, tried to just get the one plant in there..
Third shows training done to the Trainwreck.

Enjoy,

Ck.
 

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Thought I would show you guys/gals what happens when I force flower this strain by root cramping the plant past the "point of no return".
Should finish at 15-16"tall, single cola, should yield approx 1/3oz. I have learned to take advantage of this trait over the years of growing it. They require no fertilizer, only decently fertile ground.

Twice this summer I will go around and collect all my little 1/3 oz plants that are scattered in various spots.

Regards,

Ck.
 

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