Clone only strains

GrownAtHighAltitude

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Skelly/Puck Hashplant is clone only.
Pacific Northwest HP is clone only.
Cuddlefish Hashplant is Clone Only.
The Male NL1 used by Bob Hemphill is probably not a clone, but is a one of a kind selection out of many many plants. Clones could be made though.
Ace has a Male, and Female they use to create their Malawi Gold

All of the places you mentioned have both a males, and females to produce their seeds. They could release clones of these selected plants instead of having to pheno hunt.

Same goes for AKBanBrains. Hes got males, and females he uses to produce his seed lines. And I dont want any feminized shit either.

McCormick is using seleced plants to make seeds from all the strains you mentioned by pheno hunting. Im talking about releaseing the clones, and male cuttings that all of these breeders have pheno hunted for, to produce their seed lines.

I know they arent going to, but is a wish list.
Wouldn't some of those males and females have come from seed stock, selected by the breeder?

There's no male for, say OG Kush, because we don't know the origin. With all these other strains, NL, Skunk #1, Haze, we know who produced the IBL. We have multiple lines preserved through time.

Honestly, I try not to get caught up in cultivar hype and rather I'm more interested in a complete gene pool. If a certain line has been bottlenecked down to what some breeder decides are the "correct" parents then you'd better like their selection criteria.

I love AKBB's gear but I am much more interested in the F2's from Greg McAlister/AGS... because Greg was the one who bred it.
 

jimihendrix1

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Yep, most all of them would have come from Pheno Hunting. In some cases thousands of plants. Like I said, some wouldnt have a male to go with them. Og Kush is also available as a clone

Skelly/Puck woulnd have a male, unless someone has the original male nevil used to create this strain back in the 80s. Bob Hemphill is the closestt to making the Puck in seed form.
Same for Cuddlfish HP which is Skelly/Puck sister
PNW Hashplant is from the early 80s, and who knows if it was red from an IBL, or outcrossed

And as far a a Pure Haze goes, only about 1 in 10 is worth keeping, and flowering times can reach 4-5 months. Good luck being small scale, and having room, and time to go through 200 pure Haze to find the very best one for keeping. I went through 250 females of SSH before I found the one I wanted to keep. I F2 2 packs os SSH in 2010, and got thousands of seeds.

Theres a reason some of these old clones have been around for so long. My oldest clone is from 2000. It came from F2 of 3 packs of 1997 AK47. I went through 100 females to find the one I wanted to keep. I also have a clone of 2002 NL5, a clone of 2005 Willie Nelson, and several others. I used 3 males from each strain and bred them to what I considered the best female. This also kept some diversity.

Ive gone through 20 Ace Malawi females, and not found one I would want to keep, thus I would rather have the female theyve selected instead of wasting time, and space pheno huntung, especially really long flowering strains.
 

conor c

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Yep, most all of them would have come from Pheno Hunting. In some cases thousands of plants. Like I said, some wouldnt have a male to go with them. Og Kush is also available as a clone

Skelly/Puck woulnd have a male, unless someone has the original male nevil used to create this strain back in the 80s. Bob Hemphill is the closestt to making the Puck in seed form.
Same for Cuddlfish HP which is Skelly/Puck sister
PNW Hashplant is from the early 80s, and who knows if it was red from an IBL, or outcrossed

And as far a a Pure Haze goes, only about 1 in 10 is worth keeping, and flowering times can reach 4-5 months. Good luck being small scale, and having room, and time to go through 200 pure Haze to find the very best one for keeping. I went through 250 females of SSH before I found the one I wanted to keep. I F2 2 packs os SSH in 2010, and got thousands of seeds.

Theres a reason some of these old clones have been around for so long. My oldest clone is from 2000. It came from F2 of 3 packs of 1997 AK47. I went through 100 females to find the one I wanted to keep. I also have a clone of 2002 NL5, a clone of 2005 Willie Nelson, and several others. I used 3 males from each strain and bred them to what I considered the best female. This also kept some diversity.

Ive gone through 20 Ace Malawi females, and not found one I would want to keep, thus I would rather have the female theyve selected instead of wasting time, and space pheno huntung, especially really long flowering strains.
I always have wondered what makes up the original pnw hashplant sure i heard the rumours but nothing solid info wise on its genetics really been said that i heard so i suppose we may never know
 

We Can Make Sandwiches

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Peanut Butter Breath? This looking right to you cats? Got these clones cheap. Don't really know the person I got 'em from. Smells nice, great structure.
Looks good. Not as frosty as i would suspect from a gromer breath strain..however structure is close. Maybe its not from the first release ogkb studly and maybe its the pbb remake or an f2 someone made? Having grown pbb, ive seen lots of flower lately with that moniker and none resembled any of mine.

Im sure its just renaming to make those sales lol.

What are the terps like? I got like bounce sheets/clean linen on some and mendobreath terps from others on mine. Once you smell a true pbb from a sealed pack you know what i mean..then smell another so called pbb and say this aighnt it. Hard to tell from pic tbh mate. Good seeing you around again aswell bro!

Edit: post in thug pug thread. Pops son and grows or whatever his name is canadian currently growing pbb from sealed packs. He will confirm the same..the smell is unique
 

Mr.Head

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Looks good. Not as frosty as i would suspect from a gromer breath strain..however structure is close. Maybe its not from the first release ogkb studly and maybe its the pbb remake or an f2 someone made? Having grown pbb, ive seen lots of flower lately with that moniker and none resembled any of mine.

Im sure its just renaming to make those sales lol.

What are the terps like? I got like bounce sheets/clean linen on some and mendobreath terps from others on mine. Once you smell a true pbb from a sealed pack you know what i mean..then smell another so called pbb and say this aighnt it. Hard to tell from pic tbh mate. Good seeing you around again aswell bro!

Edit: post in thug pug thread. Pops son and grows or whatever his name is canadian currently growing pbb from sealed packs. He will confirm the same..the smell is unique
Thanks for the insight. I'll pop in on Pops and son :)

Nothing I got going right now is real frosty. Think it's probably something I'm doing tbh. First time in Rockwool I've been pushing them pretty hard, run off was 3.36EC the other day. I had to knock off the Pk13/14 a few days early as I was getting some weird growth on everything.

I've got Gelato, Runtz, and Sunset Sherbet from the same person, they all smell SUPER sweet. The PBB seems "Different" I have a hard time putting my finger on it.

Going into week 6 of flower with all these. I'll try and get a better scent description of the PBB later when the lights come on and some pics of the Sherbet.

This a nug about half way down on the Runtz. I'll pull the whole plant out and grab some better pics later on. Really heavy sweet sugar smells. starting to puple a bit on the fans. Going to be a bitch to trim lol.
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Gelato Very sweet smelling maybe some hints of watermelon/fruity idk I'm horrible with scents.
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Here's a couple pics of a PBB clone topped once. The stem rub on the clone is a little kushy, a little earth.
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resinhead

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Clone only strains means someone planted some seeds, grew some plants, took some clones, hyped up those clones, and sells them as clone only.

There isn't a strain on the planet worth chasing some overpriced clone only cut.
Should we call them clone only phenotypes?
 

xtsho

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Should we call them clone only phenotypes?
I guess people can call them whatever they want. I just know I have no need to purchase or grow anything out there marketed as clone only.

And it is marketing. I consider some of the marketing tactics as slop in a pig trough. :mrgreen:
 

jimihendrix1

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In some/many of the cases of clone only strains, someone may have gone through 2000 females, and found the very best one out of 2000. Good luck with going through 2000 plants. Not to mention the space and time it took.

I went through 250 females of Mr Nice Super Silver Haze 10 years ago, to find the one I kept. It took over a year to find it. I F2d 2 full packs, and got thousands and thousands of seeds. And then went through the F2s.
 

FirstCavApache64

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If you can't make $1000 bucks off your first harvest from a top dollar cut then you probably should find another job...
Then again, not everyone is growing for a profit. Some of us grow for personal meds so spending a thousand bucks seems a little high when I can get great seeds to produce killer meds for 60-80 a pack. I understand that their are people that put a lot of time and dedication into genetics and they deserve to be paid for their hard work but a thousand bucks for a clipping? Come on, that's just robbery. I paid Dookie Farms 400 for a couple of different clones and was fine paying that because I trusted his reputation and knew I was getting clean clones that were exactly what he said they were. They're nice plants and look great but it's not some kind of super weed that I've never seen before with double the THC and triple the trichomes.
I like clones because their a known commodity and for someone with a small plant count it helps to plan a grow instead of guessing which seed pheno I might get and how it's going to act when I flip them. Also when you say that they're the best representation ever found, it's all in the eye of the person doing the breeding. They might be looking for something that I'm not like fast finishing time for commercial production or bag appeal. When I pheno hunt I'm looking for the structure I want and a heavy sedative high so my best representative plant is going to be very different from say Tiki's cut. To me at least there's a place for both clones and good quality seeds.
 

thenotsoesoteric

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Then again, not everyone is growing for a profit. Some of us grow for personal meds so spending a thousand bucks seems a little high when I can get great seeds to produce killer meds for 60-80 a pack. I understand that their are people that put a lot of time and dedication into genetics and they deserve to be paid for their hard work but a thousand bucks for a clipping? Come on, that's just robbery. I paid Dookie Farms 400 for a couple of different clones and was fine paying that because I trusted his reputation and knew I was getting clean clones that were exactly what he said they were. They're nice plants and look great but it's not some kind of super weed that I've never seen before with double the THC and triple the trichomes.
I like clones because their a known commodity and for someone with a small plant count it helps to plan a grow instead of guessing which seed pheno I might get and how it's going to act when I flip them. Also when you say that they're the best representation ever found, it's all in the eye of the person doing the breeding. They might be looking for something that I'm not like fast finishing time for commercial production or bag appeal. When I pheno hunt I'm looking for the structure I want and a heavy sedative high so my best representative plant is going to be very different from say Tiki's cut. To me at least there's a place for both clones and good quality seeds.
Oh for sure. I would never pay that kind of money for a cut out of principle. That price tag is to keep the "average" person from buying it. To create scarcity or keep it elusive.

Which I think is bogus. If its good bud get it out to as many people as possible. Business is business I reckon.
 

Jcue81

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Here are my clone-only varieties i‘m currently running. On day 34 of flower. First run with all three.

First up is the Queen- Ms. Sour Diesel (Albany/Weasel cut). The smells I am getting off this stinky girl have me convinced I’ve found the exact cut of sour I have been looking for- very exciting. She eats like a pig so I have been stayimg on top of feedings to prevent her from yellowing out early. Gave out 4 cuts of her this past month to make sure she is backed up and to share the sour love.
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Wedding Pie (Cannarado):
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Apple Fritter (Lumpy’s):
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Group shot:

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