Clones Keep Drooping and Dying

Goldowitz said:

If my success rate is "fake" then yours must be to. Nothing I said has been BS, but I don't care what you choose to believe, that is why I said "do whatever works for you". If you use low humidity and get good resluts then good on you. I use a lot of humidity and get good results. Different things work for different people. The OP has not been using a dome and is having problems, that is why I suggested he try it and see if anything changes for him, no harm in that.
If you really have rooted over 15k cuttings then maybe you can bring in some insight. When I take my dome off to water, if I am slow and take to long the leaves start to curl, but they always go back when I put the dome back on. If I am quick about it, I do not see a change in the leaves. Also, IDK anything about "easy cloning strains" maybe the NL is one of these, but where do SS AK47 and DP WW fall on this cloning scale? Honest question, those are the only strains I have tried to clone so far.

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sorry about that brother is a cocky jerk..... No we were talking about it I have never heard of anyone putting clones in the dark after the cut. The response I apologize about and will edit it out brother just needs to smoke a bowl. One reason it may curl is because when you water then you say the leaves turn? May be a VERY slight sign of ph to low/high or if your using nutes a VERY small burn starting to occur but in any case your leaves should not start to turn just because you remove your dome.

I've cloned a couple hundred diff"strains"using the method I posted.
Worked just the same with all of them,temp seems to cause the most time variation in my experience.
When I'm taking cuts off new plants for selection I take 1 cut for each and have never lost a line yet,it's really quite simple to do.

Goldowitz said:

If my success rate is "fake" then yours must be to. Nothing I said has been BS, but I don't care what you choose to believe, that is why I said "do whatever works for you". If you use low humidity and get good resluts then good on you. I use a lot of humidity and get good results. Different things work for different people. The OP has not been using a dome and is having problems, that is why I suggested he try it and see if anything changes for him, no harm in that.
If you really have rooted over 15k cuttings then maybe you can bring in some insight. When I take my dome off to water, if I am slow and take to long the leaves start to curl, but they always go back when I put the dome back on. If I am quick about it, I do not see a change in the leaves. Also, IDK anything about "easy cloning strains" maybe the NL is one of these, but where do SS AK47 and DP WW fall on this cloning scale? Honest question, those are the only strains I have tried to clone so far.

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AK takes a few days longer normally, White widow depending on the mother should almost clone the fastest.

My420 said:

sorry about that brother is a cocky jerk..... No we were talking about it I have never heard of anyone putting clones in the dark after the cut. The response I apologize about and will edit it out brother just needs to smoke a bowl. One reason it may curl is because when you water then you say the leaves turn? May be a VERY slight sign of ph to low/high or if your using nutes a VERY small burn starting to occur.

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I read from a few respected growers years back either on here or OG about 8-12 hours of darkness to let them "recover". I started doing it and never thought about it otherwise. When I take cuttings this weekend I won't do it and see if anything changes.
As far as the water I give them, I try to keep the PH in the right ballpark, but I don't make it perfect. I also give them liquid karma and light bloom nutrients. It seems that with the dome off, if I spray them it will keep the leaves from curling.

taint said:

I've cloned a couple hundred diff"strains"using the method I posted.
Worked just the same with all of them,temp seems to cause the most time variation in my experience.
When I'm taking cuts off new plants for selection I take 1 cut for each and have never lost a line yet,it's really quite simple to do.

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Dude stop being a liar you fkn suck bad. You have 8 plants 2 feet tall 1 and 1/2 feet wide and they are topped no less like a newbie with no canopy penetration and you started off saying that you yield 2 oz per plant which was BS Mr. I just use whatever soil is on the shelf, Do not Ph, PPM, or even foliar feed, dont top your buds, dont bend out to increase canopy penetration and the buds are as big as a lighter and you go from saying You get 2 oz per plant to 4-6... LMAO you are truely a moron.

Goldowitz said:

Really?? I take 12 cuttings every week and have a 99% success rate. I have been doing this for over five years, so that adds up to be almost 3000 rooted clones. How many have you rooted My420?

Like I said, I have a 99% success rate and get solid roots between 7-10 days. If I have my dome off for to long, I can see the leaves start to curl and when I put the dome back on, they are fine. In the end, do whatever works for you, but don't go around calling my method bad when you have no idea what you are talking about.



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i agree with goldowitz on this one...i ALWAYS use a dome and have 99% success...i run a perpetual, so takin care of alot of cutts is a priority....ive ran cutts without a dome and the success rate goes down....thats a proven fact....heres some pics to back it up...

Goldowitz said:

I read from a few respected growers years back either on here or OG about 8-12 hours of darkness to let them "recover". I started doing it and never thought about it otherwise. When I take cuttings this weekend I won't do it and see if anything changes.
As far as the water I give them, I try to keep the PH in the right ballpark, but I don't make it perfect. I also give them liquid karma and light bloom nutrients. It seems that with the dome off, if I spray them it will keep the leaves from curling.

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Hmm well I must do some research on that to see what the actual cause and effect are. Give me a few weeks I am going to do a side by side comparison with only that dark period as a difference. You could be right but I can not help but to think its like the plant gets injuered and needs to heal would not it need the light to continue photosynthesis? I have no idea myself so it looks like its time to have fun and experiment again. Would be super cool if it was right it may make my clones root faster ya never know.

Indeed, and also try to leave your clipping in a small jar of water for at least 10-15 minutes before putting the rooting gel on and then placing it in your medium (whatever you are using).

If clones wilt and fall over it is normally due to the fact that there is an air bubble or something that has strapped (I meant stopped, lol a bit early for me) the ability for it to take water up. In that case I just pull the clone back out, re-snip, then place back in a cup of water until it perks up again, then re-gel and place back in medium.


Get a dome or a see through box with hole in.

Good luck,
Peace, DST

daisy2687 said:

Blah blah blah... I bet if he got a humidity dome his clones would live...

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ganjaluva2009 said:

i agree with goldowitz on this one...i ALWAYS use a dome and have 99% success...i run a perpetual, so takin care of alot of cutts is a priority....ive ran cutts without a dome and the success rate goes down....thats a proven fact....heres some pics to back it up...

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yea but also I am using an aeroponic cloner so maybe because of the non stop spray on the roots it keeps its moist enough? or because its sitting over 4 gallons of water it naturally makes that area right above a little humid? But still not enough to make the leaves or Foliar moist at any time like using a dome. Maybe the dome just keeps the escaping moisture on the plant weather it condensates on the leaves or is constantly on the bare cut helping the plant to absorb moisture it should be getting from its non existing roots. Ooh fun stuff I love experiments. Now I may just find a way to decrease rooting time ( maybe ) Remember aeroponic has no medium tho. It is just bare roots. The thing I do not get is why the leaves curl just from removing the lid... That actually boggles me. I have to find out why now lol.

DST said:

Indeed, and also try to leave your clipping in a small jar of water for at least 10-15 minutes before putting the rooting gel on and then placing it in your medium (whatever you are using).

If clones wilt and fall over it is normally due to the fact that there is an air bubble or something that has strapped (I meant stopped, lol a bit early for me) the ability for it to take water up. In that case I just pull the clone back out, re-snip, then place back in a cup of water until it perks up again, then re-gel and place back in medium.


Get a dome or a see through box with hole in.

Good luck,
Peace, DST

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Now that I have tried and just from my experience and I may be wrong but I dropped in success rate when I did that water part by about 3-5% Longer rooting times to. Seems like ( when I did it anyways ) that slowed down the root formation because instead of getting that hormone it needs to help produce roots its getting water with no beneficial re growth stimulants to help enhance the regrowth of roots which it should be on a wet rockwool cube or other seconds after it is cut anyways so to me ( sorry not trying to come off rude ) it seems like I was giving it water which it will get from the medium used so isnt it more important to get the hormones on first so it can uptake that quickly as possible since it will be in water for a week or more? Just kinda seems like that would work if you took a while getting from the cut to the roting compound but from cut to either rapid rooter plug or bare root it takes me about 1 second from cut to Rootech and then I let the Rootech sit for about 10 - 20 seconds then place firmly in a medium which is very wet already. I kinda figured no matter what it has to be wet from now till time it roots to prevent wilting and ( just what I thought in my head only ) shouldn't the first thing shoved up it's but be a Hemorrhoid pad ( rootech ) for that nasty Hemorrhoid it just got from that cut hehe. Now I may be way wrong but that is just how I thought it up in my head. So I apologize up front because I have not done research on that one.........

My420 I wish you could come to my house and teach the cloning technique first hand. Hell or you could just cut my clones for me. Ha ha

My420 said:

Hmm well I must do some research on that to see what the actual cause and effect are. Give me a few weeks I am going to do a side by side comparison with only that dark period as a difference. You could be right but I can not help but to think its like the plant gets injuered and needs to heal would not it need the light to continue photosynthesis? I have no idea myself so it looks like its time to have fun and experiment again. Would be super cool if it was right it may make my clones root faster ya never know.

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I am interested to hear the results from your experiment. It was just something that I read years back and started doing. I never looked into the science of it, so it may be wrong. I would like to find out either way.

As far as humidity goes, it is my understanding that the cuttings should get as little as possible to promote root growth and that to much humidity will slow this down. I adjust the vents on my dome to give just enough to keep the leaves from curling and nothing more.
When I take it off to water them, cuttings at the far end of the tray (the ones that have not been watered yet) will curl at the same time as ones that have been watered already. When I say watered I mean I spray the RW cube to the correct weight. If I spray the leaves slightly when I first take the dome off, I usually do not see any of them curl. As the cuttings get older in time, this becomes far less of a problem. You made a good point about the aero cloner naturally giving off more humidity than a dozen small RW cubes on a tray.
I also like to put my cuttings directly into root gel and not water.

Do you cut the stem down the middle at the end, or shave any material off? I know a lot of people like to do that. I never got into that practice , but consider experimenting with it in the future.

hope this helps you

Vonkins said:

Ok well yesterday I took two cuttings. Watered very well put them outside on the porch for some natural light. An hour later it looked like I had planted spaghetti noodles. So what caused this.

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Hey guys the cuttings I took a couple of days ago that turned into limp noodles I cut the big fanleaves completely off and the girls are standing up strainght and looking good I guess. Well actually the same. How soon can I go to 12 12 just to datermine sex of my clones. Im just doing the cloning method now as practice. I have a total of 16 plants multiple strains and I plan on keeping some mothers. So I want to sex the clones so I can see who my new moms are going g to be.

My method:

1. Cut your clone at the standard 45 degree angle.
2. Dip stem in water for 15-30 seconds.
3. Use a clean razor blade and shave down a thin layer an inch down all around the bottom, make sure to clip larger leaves in half.
4. Carefully make 3 or 4 small slits (careful!) with your blade on the area you just shaved.
5. Dip the shaved area in CloneX Gel (not powder)
6. Stick it in a Rapid Rooter plug. I love these things. I prefer them over any other medium.
7. Put it in a tray with humidity dome and a heat mat underneath along with a CFL light sitting right above the dome 18-24 hours each day.
8. Mist them twice a day. No more than 3 times.

Keep up with the misting each day (don't go crazy and soak em) and you should see some nice white roots in 7-14 days for sure.

Goldowitz said:

I am interested to hear the results from your experiment. It was just something that I read years back and started doing. I never looked into the science of it, so it may be wrong. I would like to find out either way.

As far as humidity goes, it is my understanding that the cuttings should get as little as possible to promote root growth and that to much humidity will slow this down. I adjust the vents on my dome to give just enough to keep the leaves from curling and nothing more.
When I take it off to water them, cuttings at the far end of the tray (the ones that have not been watered yet) will curl at the same time as ones that have been watered already. When I say watered I mean I spray the RW cube to the correct weight. If I spray the leaves slightly when I first take the dome off, I usually do not see any of them curl. As the cuttings get older in time, this becomes far less of a problem. You made a good point about the aero cloner naturally giving off more humidity than a dozen small RW cubes on a tray.
I also like to put my cuttings directly into root gel and not water.

Do you cut the stem down the middle at the end, or shave any material off? I know a lot of people like to do that. I never got into that practice , but consider experimenting with it in the future.

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Yea me to I am very interested now heheh cant wait for results.

Vonkins said:

Hey guys the cuttings I took a couple of days ago that turned into limp noodles I cut the big fanleaves completely off and the girls are standing up strainght and looking good I guess. Well actually the same. How soon can I go to 12 12 just to datermine sex of my clones. Im just doing the cloning method now as practice. I have a total of 16 plants multiple strains and I plan on keeping some mothers. So I want to sex the clones so I can see who my new moms are going g to be.

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You can go 12/12 as soon as your clones root.

Trian79 said:

My method:

1. Cut your clone at the standard 45 degree angle.
2. Dip stem in water for 15-30 seconds.
3. Use a clean razor blade and shave down a thin layer an inch down all around the bottom.
4. Carefully make 3 or 4 small slits (careful!) with your blade on the area you just shaved.
5. Dip the shaved area in CloneX Gel (not powder)
6. Stick it in a Rapid Rooter plug. I love these things. I prefer them over any other medium.
7. Put it in a tray with humidity dome and a heat mat underneath along with a CFL light sitting right above the dome 18-24 hours each day.
8. Mist them twice a day. No more than 3 times.

Keep up with the misting each day (don't go crazy and soak em) and you should see some nice white roots in 7-14 days for sure.

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Definitely love the rapid rooter starter plugs they seem to root faster then rockwool for me.

Just wondering but what would happen i put them in 12 12 now. Curious thats all

I don't know what was posted by other people but if your gonna clone and clone RIGHT you have to leave ur clones under at least 16 hours of light.. I leave em on 24 hours, roots in promix without humidity dome takes usually around 7 days and 10 at the longest. Good luck