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Masonman, how do you know it's a trainwreck? You know something I don't? That sounds good to me my friend, I'll have casey jones driving a trainwreck, should be interesting. I have a little outdoor bud drying and curing, I'm not sure it's going to reach the curing stage in all honesty. Ass kicking without a good dry or any cure. I wish the best for you and your outdoor girls...and speaking of outdoor girls, mine is a magnificent producer, you wouldn't believe there could be so many seeds on one plant. I'm cutting the 'buds' off and basically throwing the whole plant into the hash bucket, I'll gumby it dammit, seeds and all. I'll get those trichs off that girl one way or another. So I sampled my og18 x skunk, very nice, didn't even grind the bud, just took off the tiny popcorn pieces threw it into the vaporizer and had a bag...sweeeeet and mellow on the lungs. Looking forward to releasing her spirit after a good dry and cure.
 
ENDLSCYCLE

ENDLSCYCLE

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stelthy said:


Hi again everyone :) Just to update... my 600W variable cab is almost done :) here its run its 1st test with a 250W MH for 5hrs and temps stayed steady at 20.7oC :) As you can see on the top left of the pic. There are 3 ballasts there at the moment.. I need to run temp tests for the 400W ballast and then finally the 600W ballast :)

I do however have a question if anyone can help? I am toying with the idea of getting a 6" twin lamp cooltube so I can run MH and HPS together ie 250W MH + 250W HPS, then either a 400W MH and a 400W HPS or a 600 MH and 600 HPS..

My question is :- do I need 2 ballasts to power 2 bulbs in a twin tube setup? I presume you do? which will mean I need to buy 3 more ballasts and have a total of 6 Digital ballasts.

Ultimatley I can run a min of 250W and a max of 1200w in my stealth cab, I plan on doing a grow for each wattage and documenting my findings and pics etc in my thread which I will attach shortly.

I hope someone will answer my question, I'll REP for a good answer :) and hope if you would like to view my work so far that you enjoy the read :)

HERE IS A LINK TO MY THREAD :- https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/320402-stelthys-600w-hps-project-new.html

Hope everyone else is growing fine, Peace - STELTHY :leaf:
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Lumatek makes a dual ballast.....I think its a dual 400w.......why 2.....how big is that little cab?????? I have issues with heat with one 600(1000w dimmed down)in a 4x4 tent in a 9x9 A/C'd room.
 
Integra21

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cof, there seems to be a sudden rash of dog death. My first one is also RIP and number two has taken her place in dirt, she finished swimming earlier in the day.

So let's say my tap water is 200ppm, I'm reading integra saying one of his plants doesn't like anything over 300ppm...sooo, does that mean I would add enough nutes to bring the total ppm up to 500ppm since I'm starting with a base of 200?

Very nice one plant nodrama...and let's please have none here.
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I use ro as Endlcycle guessed. My bas ppm is between 5-10ppm's. But I this is the first girl I have run this low. Been trying lower on every run.
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Integra and anyone else that may be interested. As I've said before I use hygrozyme for my assist in nutrient uptake, it also does a couple of other things.

http://www.hydrowarehouse.com/hygrozyme-hygrozyme-liter-p-1338.html
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I use SnowStorm Ultra. It works in a similar way, is very cheap$11 a bottle, and makes my girls get frosty as hell. Las run was the first one with it. I was running 500-650ppm's and got burn midway through. Keeping it down this time and so far so good. THe girls are looking great. I'll have pics Mon or Tues.
 
stelthy

stelthy

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You are welcome. I wonder, why spend all the money on all those ballasts? Why not run just run two six hundreds if there isn't a heat issue? From what I can tell from the size of your, your, your space capsule, two sixes would be all the light you would need. That's just my opinion, why even mess around with a 250/400? The only reason I could see using three ballasts and lamps is to have one metal halide burning with two hps during flowering. Again, just my opinion.
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I want to experiment with as many different light sources as as possible, I mean I have done ENVIROLITES, and LED, and now I've upped my game to MH and HPS, I ve not tried Mercury Vapour yet but may do it just for fun down the line, and I've used T-5's for vegging and side lighting. I would rather experiment with the possibilities of the lower watt HID bulbs and solve their heat propblems etc 1st, then work up to the 400's then finally the 600's I am thinking if I double up on lights I will have a more even distribution of light at the moment the left side of the unit seems the brightest hense the bulb being directly above the 1st DWC tub, if I have a bulb directley over both RES tubs A + B It would seem like a wise move and benifit both plants equally in the long run. The only reason I want to do a 250/500 and 400/800 grow is to log heat and fan setting in my thread, I am running a start to Finish 250W to 1200W grow log so it'll be a long ride :) and an interesting one too :) I wouldn't run all three ballasts at the same time and if I doubled up then definatley not 6 lol, My house would go up in flames and NO ammount of Chopper Stopper would block the FLIR reading's lol :) it will be 2 bulbs max each time and I plan to do a seperate grow for each of these 250W, 500W, 400W, 800W, 600W and 1200W so thats 6 full grow's to experiment with and document my findings I also plan on Vegging with just 1 or 2 250W MH's, and then going 1 MH and 1 HPS in flower starting from the 250s and working up through the stages of power from there on. :) It does seem complicated lol and a lot of effort but its the experimenting side of things I like most and adding all my findings should help many NEWBIES etc etc - STELTHY :leaf:
 
stelthy

stelthy

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stelthy said:
I want to experiment with as many different light sources as as possible, I mean I have done ENVIROLITES, and LED, and now I've upped my game to MH and HPS, I ve not tried Mercury Vapour yet but may do it just for fun down the line, and I've used T-5's for vegging and side lighting. I would rather experiment with the possibilities of the lower watt HID bulbs and solve their heat propblems etc 1st, then work up to the 400's then finally the 600's I am thinking if I double up on lights I will have a more even distribution of light at the moment the left side of the unit seems the brightest hense the bulb being directly above the 1st DWC tub, if I have a bulb directley over both RES tubs A + B It would seem like a wise move and benifit both plants equally in the long run. The only reason I want to do a 250/500 and 400/800 grow is to log heat and fan setting in my thread, I am running a start to Finish 250W to 1200W grow log so it'll be a long ride :) and an interesting one too :) I wouldn't run all three ballasts at the same time and if I doubled up then definatley not 6 lol, My house would go up in flames and NO ammount of Chopper Stopper would block the FLIR reading's lol :) it will be 2 bulbs max each time and I plan to do a seperate grow for each of these 250W, 500W, 400W, 800W, 600W and 1200W so thats 6 full grow's to experiment with and document my findings I also plan on Vegging with just 1 or 2 250W MH's, and then going 1 MH and 1 HPS in flower starting from the 250s and working up through the stages of power from there on. :) It does seem complicated lol and a lot of effort but its the experimenting side of things I like most and adding all my findings should help many NEWBIES etc etc - STELTHY :leaf:
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Of course I could always mix n match and do a 250/400 or 250/600 or a 400/600 grow as as well but I'll leave those combinations until I have the other 6 grows under my belt all in all though I'll have a total of 9 complete grows and a total of 18 plants (9x2) to still grow and its going to be a very long time to keep things documented :) - STELTHY :leaf:
 
stelthy

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ENDLSCYCLE said:
Lumatek makes a dual ballast.....I think its a dual 400w.......why 2.....how big is that little cab?????? I have issues with heat with one 600(1000w dimmed down)in a 4x4 tent in a 9x9 A/C'd room.
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Hi dude my cab is a 7h x 2d x 4w. And the actual grow space is 3.5h x 2d x 4w however it has been really well thought out and temps are no longer an issue :) Have a look at my thread and browse through it... You'll see I've covered almost everything so far, If you have any surgestions of things I have forgotton or not spoke about doing then by all means please leave your thoughts and surgestions on my thread :) I will REP you in return :leaf:

Once again here's a lINK :-

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/320402-stelthys-600w-hps-project-new.html

Cheer's - STELTHY :leaf:
 
bigv1976

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Stelthy, I do not comment much on here but I have to tell you that I have learned a ton from your ideas. Thanks.
 
DST

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Keep up the experiments Stelthy, always interesting to see...glad it's you and not me though.
 
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I agree with you there DST, I'm glad it's him and not me but it should be a very interesting experiment to watch...should we live long enough to see all the possible light combinations, we could be talking five years down the road. I'm happy with my two six hundreds, happy with the way my room performs and happy with my grows so far in general. I just have yet to settle into one routine and keep repeating said routine, never was good at routines so it's probably why every grow seems to turn out different. I like to experiment, what can I say? As soon as this grow finishes I'm going for a bog, sort of like a sog but it's going to be a bay of green instead of a sea. I've never tried a sog, cloning with hydro, keeping mother plants or trying to do a sort of perpetual, except it will only last five or six months at best. I figure by the sixth batch of clones I should pretty well have it all tuned and be humming along nicely...I hope. If I can manage to pull this off it should give me enough to do a nice sativa grow over the summer or even better, allow me to not have to grow in july and august at all, maybe only use my tent for a few plants and avoid those almost four hundred dollar a month electric bills.
 
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In general, what range of ppm should I be looking for at different stages of growth, such as when the plant reaches two weeks old and you want to give it a low dose of nutes. What is a low dose in ppm? What about at week four of vegging, week six? And flowering, what range should I be shooting for at different stages of flowering? Or does everyone just keep trying to give the plant more nutes until it shows signs of burn?

Generally I like to feed my plants at a quarter of the strength the manufacturer recommends and I feed them almost every watering. Sometimes the strength of the solution actually goes down because I'm adding water to maybe a quarter of a gallon that was left from last watering, so the strength varies but I have never exceeded half strength doses. My plants also rarely show signs of nute burn, I luckily have had basically no bug problems, no powdery mildew, no bud rot or mold, no nothing. So would it be a good idea to use quarter strength doses and take a measurement of how many ppm that is and use it as a base measurement?
 
Integra21

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My normal routine without addatives for nutrient uptake..

Cloning 50ppm or less. I usually just put 1/2tsp of Clonex into 2 gallons of ro water

Rooting into veg 150-300ppm

Veg 400-750ppm depending on size

Flower day one 550-750ppm of veg nutes

Flower Week 2-3 650-960ppm flower nutes

Flower Week 5-6 750ppm

Flush 5gallons ro water with 2 tblsp of Clearex about 100ppm

Final Flush Strait ro 30ppm or less.
 
Heads Up

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Thank you Integra.

Edit. So are you saying you hit those numbers with nutes alone and then add whatever? Let's say you add some cal-mag in with your flower nutes. Do you get to 750ppm with your nutes and then add cal-mag?
 
Integra21

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Not a problem buddy. Just keep in mind, I tend to run my nutrients lighter than most. Just experiment around and see what your girls like, take notes on the week and strength, and then you can repeat your results fairly easy with every grow after. And dont forget low ppms can be great as long as your girls look like they are loving it.
 
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You guys in the states have to check out this place for meters.

www.eseasongear.com

I just bought a Hanna Primo TDS meter. It takes temperature into account, is self calibrating with a solution and I bought an extra bottle of calibration solution for ten bucks, 230ml bottle. With shipping it cost me thirty one dollars. I ordered it friday night and it got here today, from georgia to florida isn't all that far but I was still impressed.
 
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Not a problem buddy. Just keep in mind, I tend to run my nutrients lighter than most. Just experiment around and see what your girls like, take notes on the week and strength, and then you can repeat your results fairly easy with every grow after. And dont forget low ppms can be great as long as your girls look like they are loving it.
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I agree with ya' there integra, as I've said I like low doses and generally the plants respond very well. I'll do just that, keep notes, as it happens I have some new babies less than a week old and several others swimming in cups at the moment. It will be interesting to see what a quarter teaspoon of jack's classic actually comes out to be in ppm, and then compare it to your chart/estimates.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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Thank you Integra.

Edit. So are you saying you hit those numbers with nutes alone and then add whatever? Let's say you add some cal-mag in with your flower nutes. Do you get to 750ppm with your nutes and then add cal-mag?
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That is the ppm of my full nutrient mix. BC Boost, BC Bloom/Grow, Magical, Sugar Daddy, Snow Storm Ultra, Silica. I am not using gravity yet and decided to skip the bloom booster this run to see what happens(no Awesome Blossom)
 
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Integra21 said:
That is the ppm of my full nutrient mix. BC Boost, BC Bloom/Grow, Magical, Sugar Daddy, Snow Storm Ultra, Silica. I am not using gravity yet and decided to skip the bloom booster this run to see what happens(no Awesome Blossom)
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I think my job is secure again...at least for the moment, so I've gone on a bit of a shopping spree and some of the blame falls on you integra, that's right, it's all your fault. I was on amazon buying a pair of ear buds and snow storm popped into my head, so it's coming with the headphones.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=pe_36550_16913330_pe_gb_skin

I was using JVC's marshmallows but they changed the design and I don't like the new design, so I bought a pair of their 'flats' for twenty bucks, they make my ears sweat, then amazon sent me this email today, I bit. I'll let ya'll know how they sound. I also got some more small grow bags for my lollipops and some mycorrhizae for the roots. Since my boss was kind enough to let my economy keep rolling, I'm trying to pay it forward to the rest of the economy.

Tomorrow night ends week seven of12/12, new weekly pics will be arriving.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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I think my job is secure again...at least for the moment, so I've gone on a bit of a shopping spree and some of the blame falls on you integra, that's right, it's all your fault. I was on amazon buying a pair of ear buds and snow storm popped into my head, so it's coming with the headphones.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=pe_36550_16913330_pe_gb_skin

I was using JVC's marshmallows but they changed the design and I don't like the new design, so I bought a pair of their 'flats' for twenty bucks, they make my ears sweat, then amazon sent me this email today, I bit. I'll let ya'll know how they sound. I also got some more small grow bags for my lollipops and some mycorrhizae for the roots. Since my boss was kind enough to let my economy keep rolling, I'm trying to pay it forward to the rest of the economy.

Tomorrow night ends week seven of12/12, new weekly pics will be arriving.
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I think you'll like the SnowStorm. How much did it run you there. It goes for $11 at my hydro shop. I am using it from the second the lights get flipped and it makes t your nutruients more redily available to your plants, so make sure you dont go too high with the ppms. This is my ppm schedule with SnowStorm Ultra.

Day one flower 300ppm

Week 3 flower 350ppm.
Havent got any further than that, but I dont see me putting them much higher than that. I dont know if its the strains, but anything above 350ppm so far and they burn. Might just be light eaters though.
 
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