Co2???!!!! Bs!!!

I have posted a few times about my CO2 method, and I swear by the results. This time I got pics lol

The room:



The monitor nestled among the girls:



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It made a big difference in growth/yield, almost from the day I put it in. I didn't want to spend a lot of money on CO2, but whatever homemade method I used I wanted to know for certain what it was doing. So, I put my $ in a good monitor and tried various methods. I did not get great results with the messy chemical methods.
Then I tried a lantern. It doesn't put out much heat, definitely not enough to matter at least in a large room. I have surprising control over the PPM using the dial on the lantern..it's easy to dial in to what you want. Monitor has a built in alarm for whatever PPM I want it to go off for. 20 lb tank lasts a month.

Has anyone heard of the Exhale CO2 generator..it's about 25 bucks on ezhydroponics...I know it's not nearly as "precise" as using a tank regulator etc. BUT all I"m doing is 3 plants in a 4x4 tent with a 400 watt hps light...CO2 intrigues me to the point of at least wanting to give it a whirl. If anyone wants a link PM me I don't know if I should post a link to something completely different than the OP intended. Seems rude.

tatamama said:

Two 1k hps Agro Sun with batwings. Have ac/dehumid unit. Carbon filter. Only thing left is a tiny little bit of caulk and then greatness. LOL.... I figure in my 50 station nft area 7'x7.5'x8'h I can get in 35 plants and let them be big single or double cola monsters without all the side crap. I am guessing around 45 to 50 oz's.. Or might go with 28 plants like before and just not trim as much but lots more than last grow without co2. That grow I got 30 oz's but took 5 days of 4 hours a piece to trim. Hate popcorn and the time..

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with this lighting in this area you will not see the benefits of CO2. plants need more light to make use of higher CO2 concentrations. you will need like 4kw and totally sealed room. oh and you also need to not cut fan leaves lol

zem said:

with this lighting in this area you will not see the benefits of CO2. plants need more light to make use of higher CO2 concentrations. you will need like 4kw and totally sealed room. oh and you also need to not cut fan leaves lol

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Agreed. The plain and simple fact is if your general growing techniques are out of whack, CO2 benefits will be limited. You throw NOS in a car that isn't tuned for it.....boom. I only remove fan leaves if necessary, usually because its wilting/dying for anti-mold/fungus reasons. At the end of a CO2 injected cycle, you are gonna wish you had all the leaves that are necessary. The plant will need to draw from them after leaching then just flush/feeding with ph'd water. It starts with the fans, then works its way up the plant to smaller stem leaves then to the bud leaves. Without the fans, you could be down to the bud leaves after only a few days of flushing, and have to take the plants down early before the plants turn yellow and leaves die. Dead bud leaves lead to bud rot.

If you have your stem leaves (ones not touching buds, bud not the giant fans) just about to fall off the day you are cropping that is usually a well flushed product. You get yellow dying leaves interspersed with buds, and you still have a week of flushing, you can create mold issues....especially as a plant is in its final stages of life.
CO2 can be a glorious thing, or a dangerous thing. The tighter the ship, the more lilkely it'll benefit you.

You must be nuts. 7x7x8 is not big enough for more than that unless u use a side light and well with 28 plants without co2 I got 30oz's so I think you must be high.. Actually to much light can happen if you don't have the right amount of co2 and or leaves the extra light will just bounce right off and not be used. I have read many botany articles, not by pot heads but by real botanists. I did not say cut off all the fan leaves but the fiend I showeds journal show that you can put them on flower very very early with just good roots, which he shows, and the plants are very small. I have tried it that way once with a few and they came out worthless. It is not my strain either, my strain is hardy and grows great. The plants he showed that were tight single colas, mostly, were great and well he cut off most all the side branches and bottom third like I tried with the small ones and they in his grow with co2 well just look at those beautiful results.. This is proof to me because I have seen it started early like I said without co2 and my lights are plenty and like I said got crap plants.. Co2 will make all the difference in the world as to when you can flower small plants and still get great results period.. How else can you explain those tiny plants put to flower so early and get so heavy of colas... No way with 300 ppm air....

zem said:

with this lighting in this area you will not see the benefits of CO2. plants need more light to make use of higher CO2 concentrations. you will need like 4kw and totally sealed room. oh and you also need to not cut fan leaves lol

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Dude what are you talking about 20lb tank??? That is a propane lantern and what kind of tank is 20lbs propane?? How long does that lantern burn per hour and by the way those lanterns burn for light so they use o2 thus the yellow flame. This creates from what I know co, that is carbon monoxide and it is not what you want. A blue flame is what burns without the co being over produced in a grow. Also propane creates lots of moisture so do you notice the increase in humidity??

tet1953 said:

I have posted a few times about my CO2 method, and I swear by the results. This time I got pics lol

The room:

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The monitor nestled among the girls:

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Currently reads:

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It made a big difference in growth/yield, almost from the day I put it in. I didn't want to spend a lot of money on CO2, but whatever homemade method I used I wanted to know for certain what it was doing. So, I put my $ in a good monitor and tried various methods. I did not get great results with the messy chemical methods.
Then I tried a lantern. It doesn't put out much heat, definitely not enough to matter at least in a large room. I have surprising control over the PPM using the dial on the lantern..it's easy to dial in to what you want. Monitor has a built in alarm for whatever PPM I want it to go off for. 20 lb tank lasts a month.

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tatamama said:

No way with 300 ppm air....

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Disagree. I have seen and have grown HUGE colas with straight air. 2+ lb per light without CO2 of properly, if not overdried buds. It is possible. If you can reach lumens per square foot similar to that of mother nature and keep a steady supply of fresh 300 ppm, and feed properly, you can achieve wicked results. Granted, had I done CO2 and done it properly, I know I could have achieved even better results, but to say huge yields are not possible with just standard air is false. In fact, you can nearly mimic outside plants or even exceed, and factoring in the advantage of a regulated environment with none of natures downfalls like frost snaps, torrential downpours etc. Nevermind the factor of high turn over indoors......YEAH.

Not dogging what you are saying, but there are many more factors to consider when applying CO2. Had I changed to an injection or generator system, I would have other problems to surmount. An injection system would require a regulator system, properly timed venting....or a straight sealed room which CAN build up excess moisture, as well as not have the advantage of running a negative pressure to virtually eliminate smell. You would have to change filtering methods for the air, maybe design an internal scrubber to minimize stank buidup. Generators can create heat and moisture issues, as well as venting schedule nightmares.
The extra growth of CO2 injected rooms also creates more water demands, nutrient demands......everything acclerates and the chance of shit going wrong can increase right along with the advantages.

Like I said, not dogging, just trying to make sure that a less experienced grower doesn't come along and just plunge head first into something that could take away from them learning the fundamentals of growing before trying to supercharge their grow. Huge yields are possible with regular air. As long as the core basics are followed.

tatamama said:

You must be nuts. 7x7x8 is not big enough for more than that unless u use a side light and well with 28 plants without co2 I got 30oz's so I think you must be high.. Actually to much light can happen if you don't have the right amount of co2 and or leaves the extra light will just bounce right off and not be used. I have read many botany articles, not by pot heads but by real botanists. I did not say cut off all the fan leaves but the fiend I showeds journal show that you can put them on flower very very early with just good roots, which he shows, and the plants are very small. I have tried it that way once with a few and they came out worthless. It is not my strain either, my strain is hardy and grows great. The plants he showed that were tight single colas, mostly, were great and well he cut off most all the side branches and bottom third like I tried with the small ones and they in his grow with co2 well just look at those beautiful results.. This is proof to me because I have seen it started early like I said without co2 and my lights are plenty and like I said got crap plants.. Co2 will make all the difference in the world as to when you can flower small plants and still get great results period.. How else can you explain those tiny plants put to flower so early and get so heavy of colas... No way with 300 ppm air....

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this is a sea of green technique (SOG) they cut the bottom branches along with their leaves but keep the top colas. they dont cut the fans. anyway, in a 7x7 area 2 kw lights can be barely enough without CO2. when you add CO2 you need to add light for the plants to benefit. calculate the lumens per foot a minimum you need is 5000 and with 2kw you dont even get 5000. with co2 you need more lumens, it's quite simple you dont seem to get it. too stubborn lol you gota learn from your mistakes so go ahead,do your thing with CO2 2Kw without fan leaves. post pics please

tatamama, I am referring to the tank you use for a bbq grill. I thought those were 20 lb. You can purchase a hose that can connect appliances, such as a lantern, that normally use disposable 1 lb tanks to a larger tank.
It is not creating CO, or I would be dead by now. Furthermore, my CO2 monitor doesn't lie. Without the lantern, my CO2 is about 600 ppm. Within minutes of turning on the lantern it is over 1000 ppm, and I can adjust it. Occasionally I have to adjust it down when it gets over 1500, but usually once it's set for the day it stays constant.
Humidity is not a problem, there is a dehumidifier in the room also. I keep in in the 40-45% range during light hours. I usually turn off the dehumidifier when I turn off everything else.
This works. I'll be happy when someone else tries it and finds out how easy it is.

tatamama said:

How long does that lantern burn per hour

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60 minutes.

I do grow huge colas with regular air. 5 grows with great colas. Not the point though. I, you, they will not work into big colas if you start 12/12 when they are the size Fiend starts them out at if you use just ambient co2/fresh air. I have done it!!!! That is what I am saying. I start them to 12/12 at about 13" tall and well they finish at 37" tall with big colas but they must be left to it. You can't trim them back a ton like he does or they will not produce. Even when you start them bigger.. You have to leave most of the stuff and that makes for fewer plants and lots more end trimming.. Just trying to point out with co2 you can start em little and get a huge cola without all the side crap.. If that does not make sense then I give up.. Just look at when he starts the 12/12 and you will see if you look at his finishing plants that they are tight, single lollipop 15" to 20" easy trim single great colas... Not the 20 or 30 branches with tons of popcorn and crap to deal with.. You just simply can't start them so early without the co2 enrichment..... End of subject if you can't show me some like his that were that small without co2 and then show the finish like his...

Devildog93 said:

Disagree. I have seen and have grown HUGE colas with straight air. 2+ lb per light without CO2 of properly, if not overdried buds. It is possible. If you can reach lumens per square foot similar to that of mother nature and keep a steady supply of fresh 300 ppm, and feed properly, you can achieve wicked results. Granted, had I done CO2 and done it properly, I know I could have achieved even better results, but to say huge yields are not possible with just standard air is false. In fact, you can nearly mimic outside plants or even exceed, and factoring in the advantage of a regulated environment with none of natures downfalls like frost snaps, torrential downpours etc. Nevermind the factor of high turn over indoors......YEAH.

Not dogging what you are saying, but there are many more factors to consider when applying CO2. Had I changed to an injection or generator system, I would have other problems to surmount. An injection system would require a regulator system, properly timed venting....or a straight sealed room which CAN build up excess moisture, as well as not have the advantage of running a negative pressure to virtually eliminate smell. You would have to change filtering methods for the air, maybe design an internal scrubber to minimize stank buidup. Generators can create heat and moisture issues, as well as venting schedule nightmares.
The extra growth of CO2 injected rooms also creates more water demands, nutrient demands......everything acclerates and the chance of shit going wrong can increase right along with the advantages.

Like I said, not dogging, just trying to make sure that a less experienced grower doesn't come along and just plunge head first into something that could take away from them learning the fundamentals of growing before trying to supercharge their grow. Huge yields are possible with regular air. As long as the core basics are followed.

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First off where the f do you live?? Never heard of ambient co2 being near that high 600ppm.. Don't think you can be healthy for long in that kind of air. Do you live near a coal electric generating plant? lol. Ambient co2 is around 300ppm and sorry but a yellow flamed lantern is producing co!! Read up on propane co2 enrichment, the only clean flame is blue, when you burn o2 with the gas you get they yellow and the light but you get lots of co period.. You are either lieing or just don't know how much co you have in there. In my grow the plants would not live with so much co in the air... Yes the co2 will increase but the yellow flame shows that you are making lots if not more co than co2... Someone please explain that to him for me!!!!. Yellow means bad MMMMMkay.....

tet1953 said:

tatamama, I am referring to the tank you use for a bbq grill. I thought those were 20 lb. You can purchase a hose that can connect appliances, such as a lantern, that normally use disposable 1 lb tanks to a larger tank.
It is not creating CO, or I would be dead by now. Furthermore, my CO2 monitor doesn't lie. Without the lantern, my CO2 is about 600 ppm. Within minutes of turning on the lantern it is over 1000 ppm, and I can adjust it. Occasionally I have to adjust it down when it gets over 1500, but usually once it's set for the day it stays constant.
Humidity is not a problem, there is a dehumidifier in the room also. I keep in in the 40-45% range during light hours. I usually turn off the dehumidifier when I turn off everything else.
This works. I'll be happy when someone else tries it and finds out how easy it is.

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It's ambient 600ish in the house, tatamama.

Why is it that some people are simply not able to have a discussion without personal attack? Disagree with me all you want, I am not a liar. I have a very expensive digital CO2 monitor, as you can see in the picture.
I have a CO alarm in the house. It has been tested, fairly new actually. Hasn't so much as chirped.
What about people who cook with propane, as I do? Pretty much the same thing is it not?
Quote all the academics to me that you want, all I have done is say what my setup is and what the results are. You cannot argue with the results. I have seen no detrimental effects. In fact, one of my cats has found it quite comfortable in that room with the heat and pretty much lives in there (very elderly and sleeps all the time).
See how easy it is to disagree without being disagreable?

Gasses burn. They make a color. They make a by product. When a propane fuel is burning clean it is blue. If it is not clean it is yellow. When it is yellow it is making tons of co. More than it is making of co2. If your room were sealed it would kill anything or go out when all the o2 was gone.. Plain and simple... Not sure if you are in control of yourself but try not to get your feelings hurt so easy.. I am just stating laws of Boyle. He knew a bit about gasses....

tet1953 said:

It's ambient 600ish in the house, tatamama.

Why is it that some people are simply not able to have a discussion without personal attack? Disagree with me all you want, I am not a liar. I have a very expensive digital CO2 monitor, as you can see in the picture.
I have a CO alarm in the house. It has been tested, fairly new actually. Hasn't so much as chirped.
What about people who cook with propane, as I do? Pretty much the same thing is it not?
Quote all the academics to me that you want, all I have done is say what my setup is and what the results are. You cannot argue with the results. I have seen no detrimental effects. In fact, one of my cats has found it quite comfortable in that room with the heat and pretty much lives in there (very elderly and sleeps all the time).
See how easy it is to disagree without being disagreable?

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I am not disputing what you say about yellow flame, etc. I'm sure there is CO being produced, but I have been doing this for a while now with no problems. Perhaps the fact that the door to the room is always open is something I should have mentioned. So, the room is well ventilated. And, along with the CO it is producing beneficial CO2.
As for the dangers, what about a kerosene lantern? That's a yellow flame. Gas lighting was fairly common a long time ago also.
I think we've exhausted the topic. It is working for me, they way I am currently doing it. Thank you for highlighting the necessity of keeping the room ventilated.

tatamama said:

I do grow huge colas with regular air. 5 grows with great colas. Not the point though. I, you, they will not work into big colas if you start 12/12 when they are the size Fiend starts them out at if you use just ambient co2/fresh air. I have done it!!!! That is what I am saying. I start them to 12/12 at about 13" tall and well they finish at 37" tall with big colas but they must be left to it. You can't trim them back a ton like he does or they will not produce. Even when you start them bigger.. You have to leave most of the stuff and that makes for fewer plants and lots more end trimming.. Just trying to point out with co2 you can start em little and get a huge cola without all the side crap.. If that does not make sense then I give up.. Just look at when he starts the 12/12 and you will see if you look at his finishing plants that they are tight, single lollipop 15" to 20" easy trim single great colas... Not the 20 or 30 branches with tons of popcorn and crap to deal with.. You just simply can't start them so early without the co2 enrichment..... End of subject if you can't show me some like his that were that small without co2 and then show the finish like his...

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I know my accomplishments. You know yours. Just stop saying huge colas are not possible. The difference CO2 can add does not come close to difference proper growing techniques can make in end results.

Proper growing techniques are MORE important than supercharging. You fuck up the basics, like burn the roots, or get bud rot from too much humidity.....CO2 isn't gonna magically make your crop yield increase substantially so as to make up for the lack of proper basic nurturing.

Fucking lame ass.

Devildog93 said:

I know my accomplishments. You know yours. Just stop saying huge colas are not possible. The difference CO2 can add does not come close to difference proper growing techniques can make in end results.

Proper growing techniques are MORE important than supercharging. You fuck up the basics, like burn the roots, or get bud rot from too much humidity.....CO2 isn't gonna magically make your crop yield increase substantially so as to make up for the lack of proper basic nurturing.

Fucking lame ass.

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that is exact down till the last word lol fuck up the basics like ummm cut the fan leaves and feed CO2 haha

zem said:

that is exact down till the last word lol fuck up the basics like ummm cut the fan leaves and feed CO2 haha

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Everyone here is trying to help him/her. At the same time, trying to prevent wannabe supercharged growers (noobs who want to inject CO2) from jumping into a quagmire of issues that they wouldnt be able to handle without the basics under their belt first.
Fan leaves.....ummmmm......basics. Nevermind all the other stupid things noobs can do, like burn their roots, starve their roots, have too cold of a room, or too hot of a room, screw up ph...and the list goes on and on.

The stupid thing about this fuckin thread is HE/SHE is the one that started off listing all the downfalls of CO2 and calling it "BS". WTF!

I am in NO WAY talking down CO2. I have used it myself and have noticed the difference....quite substantial, and I wasn't maxing out CO2 ppm's. Maybe 800 ppm. Big difference. But issues come out of the woodowork when your room is not "locked the fuck down" . That was ALL I was stating in my first post on page 5 and my second one he quoted.

People who have their shit "locked the fuck down" would never have started a thread called "CO2???????BS!!!!!!!" then argue with people who try to help them.

Fuckin nuff said.

If you don't fully understand co2, don't use it. In any op using a co2 generator the op needs positive air exchange. I generate only the required co2 that is necessary for the shift. I exchange air between the moms room and the budders room. I have a small intake fan that is on all the time to ensure positive air exchange in my op. My co2 generator employs charcoal to produce co2. In ops that are set for commercial production propane is used to generate co2. A small amount of carbon monoxide is produced when using these gas generators, which is one of the reasons positive air exchange is neccesary. Your plants require o2 when the lights are off and co2 when the lights are on. If you experience problems breathing from co2 gases in your grow-op, your co2 is set way to high. Even when using co2 your op air has to be breathable. Unlike your plants, you need o2 all the time. The safest way to do co2 is back to back grows and constantly feed the air from one grow to the other. Your plants produce co2 when in darkness and emit o2 when the lights are on. Every op requires positive air exchange.

bird mcbride said:

If you don't fully understand co2, don't use it.

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Thank you. I guess I could have just said that and saved a ton of typing. lol