Co2???!!!! Bs!!!

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tatamama

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The co2 you might be making is not helping if the room is ventilated. And I am glad it is or you would have a dead cat. Here is another post someone replied in the advanced forum to your statements of having 600ppm co2 normally.
600ppm is about right if he lives on a traffic median. You'd think he'd be happy with the 30% increase over ambient of 400ppm...

You should get him a carbon monoxide monitor for Christmas. Sounds like you know your shit but if he won't listen to you perhaps he'll listen to a high-pitched beeping noise.​


tet1953 said:
I am not disputing what you say about yellow flame, etc. I'm sure there is CO being produced, but I have been doing this for a while now with no problems. Perhaps the fact that the door to the room is always open is something I should have mentioned. So, the room is well ventilated. And, along with the CO it is producing beneficial CO2.
As for the dangers, what about a kerosene lantern? That's a yellow flame. Gas lighting was fairly common a long time ago also.
I think we've exhausted the topic. It is working for me, they way I am currently doing it. Thank you for highlighting the necessity of keeping the room ventilated.
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tatamama

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Hey munch! I meant by "bs" that I kept reading things that were not the same. Thus bs or not. Was trying to figure out one thing actually and that was how long a tank would last in a given area.. As for all your other insulting comments, I have plenty of light, great nft system with air stones, perfect water temps, carbon filter, air temps at 80 and can raise or lower that easy, fresh air when needed, sealed room, plenty of everything and have 5 great yielding grows under my belt so why do you infer I don't know the basics or the advanced basics even because I have done this all on my own and gone through all the issues so think I am ready.. Did not wake up one day and decide to do this!! It took a long time and I am ready for co2.. I never said to cut off all the fan leaves jackass. You keep harping on that one ok. I showed you how you can get rid of 70% of the crap you have to have without extra co2. I showed you Fiends, that is proof enough. I am saying, again, to not use co2 you have to have what I have had and that is way more fans, not none, way more bush, popcorn, branches, space, and less plants. Shut up....!


Devildog93 said:
Everyone here is trying to help him/her. At the same time, trying to prevent wannabe supercharged growers (noobs who want to inject CO2) from jumping into a quagmire of issues that they wouldnt be able to handle without the basics under their belt first.
Fan leaves.....ummmmm......basics. Nevermind all the other stupid things noobs can do, like burn their roots, starve their roots, have too cold of a room, or too hot of a room, screw up ph...and the list goes on and on.

The stupid thing about this fuckin thread is HE/SHE is the one that started off listing all the downfalls of CO2 and calling it "BS". WTF!

I am in NO WAY talking down CO2. I have used it myself and have noticed the difference....quite substantial, and I wasn't maxing out CO2 ppm's. Maybe 800 ppm. Big difference. But issues come out of the woodowork when your room is not "locked the fuck down" . That was ALL I was stating in my first post on page 5 and my second one he quoted.

People who have their shit "locked the fuck down" would never have started a thread called "CO2???????BS!!!!!!!" then argue with people who try to help them.

Fuckin nuff said.
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legallyflying

legallyflying

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You most first realize that co2 is the bomb! Ppms around 8-900 in veg will also make more compact plants which will equal higher yields. The second thing is that you can't do co2 properly without a ppm controller. You will be wasting allot of co2 and have no idea what your ppms are. There are WAY to many variables to just scribble it out on paper and do some timed release. I have a pretty damn sealed room and when I run 1500 ppm, which I only do in weeks 3-6 of flower, a 20# tank lasts me one week in a 500 cubic foot room. $16 a week is not all that much for the increased yield. I am planning to install a burner and plumb it to my natural gas line cause ruinng to get more tanks is a PIA.

Sooo if you want to utilize co2 then your going to need about $8-900 on hand. $140 for a 20# tank, $120 for a regulator, $4-5 for a ppm controller, and another $100 for gas. You will more than make up
for it in the end.

Like others said, you should hve your shit dialed in before you go spending the money. Higher temps, humidity, and day/night time temp differences can screw a cycle pretty fast if you don't have some good automation. So I guess the main point is the condescending "learn to walk before you sprint"

If your worried about costs or obsessing about how long a tank will last, your probably not ready. Burner is better, but a burner also means a split air conditioning unit.
 
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tatamama

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I think I know what you mean and well I have the wrong type at this moment. Might be rigging a intake for that but not sure.. Or did you mean another dehumid unit? I agree a burner unit sounds better but have not looked at one in person yet.. I am curious about what a water cooled unit does? I mean a flame heats the air and well how does water cool that air?? The flame is open so the gas can come out so how again does that work if you know. And won't that require a water chiller for the rez? Or just go with non water cooled and a/c to keep the temp right??


legallyflying said:
You most first realize that co2 is the bomb! Ppms around 8-900 in veg will also make more compact plants which will equal higher yields. The second thing is that you can't do co2 properly without a ppm controller. You will be wasting allot of co2 and have no idea what your ppms are. There are WAY to many variables to just scribble it out on paper and do some timed release. I have a pretty damn sealed room and when I run 1500 ppm, which I only do in weeks 3-6 of flower, a 20# tank lasts me one week in a 500 cubic foot room. $16 a week is not all that much for the increased yield. I am planning to install a burner and plumb it to my natural gas line cause ruinng to get more tanks is a PIA.

Sooo if you want to utilize co2 then your going to need about $8-900 on hand. $140 for a 20# tank, $120 for a regulator, $4-5 for a ppm controller, and another $100 for gas. You will more than make up
for it in the end.

Like others said, you should hve your shit dialed in before you go spending the money. Higher temps, humidity, and day/night time temp differences can screw a cycle pretty fast if you don't have some good automation. So I guess the main point is the condescending "learn to walk before you sprint"

If your worried about costs or obsessing about how long a tank will last, your probably not ready. Burner is better, but a burner also means a split air conditioning unit.
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zem

zem

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tatamama said:
I think I know what you mean and well I have the wrong type at this moment. Might be rigging a intake for that but not sure.. Or did you mean another dehumid unit? I agree a burner unit sounds better but have not looked at one in person yet.. I am curious about what a water cooled unit does? I mean a flame heats the air and well how does water cool that air?? The flame is open so the gas can come out so how again does that work if you know. And won't that require a water chiller for the rez? Or just go with non water cooled and a/c to keep the temp right??
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water cools the hood, yes needs a chiller. anyway, if your goal is th max yield no matter the cost then, get at least 3kw in room, add co2 setup with controller, a/c and do vertical lighting with air-cooltubes. must do everything right. and since you havent seen big enough top buds i conclude that its still too soon for you.
 
legallyflying

legallyflying

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A split Ac unit doesn't vent to the outside of the room. The condenser is located outside the room...outside the house really. they are the SHIT! take up next to no space at all. Not cheap, but the good things never are are they?
 
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tatamama

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I have huge buds top or side. With 2k hps and fresh air draw. I have as I said made 30oz with 25 plants last time so colas around 14 inches long around 3 to some at 4" wide so I think I got that one covered. Want smaller plants that are mostly bud or single colas that big like in fiend's grow journal.. It can't be done without co2. Have to have big fans everywhere and all the crap. Sorry I am done here because I have said that over and over.. Have tried small plants to 12/12 and without co2 they just don't get big enough unless 14" or so at 12/12 start..


zem said:
water cools the hood, yes needs a chiller. anyway, if your goal is th max yield no matter the cost then, get at least 3kw in room, add co2 setup with controller, a/c and do vertical lighting with air-cooltubes. must do everything right. and since you havent seen big enough top buds i conclude that its still too soon for you.
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