cob | sip | scrog

Humanrob

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SomeGuy said:
-Center supports for the lid to help hold up the softpot.
-remove feed tubes and make it a window type opening
-more airstones in rez

I'll make the improvement over summer. Only gonna run the led section in summer. I have.the outdoor going anyway so small grow through summer inside.
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I'm in a similar situation, I won't run inside again (obviously after this run finishes) until around Thanksgiving, and just focus on the outdoor between now and then. That will give me time to completely rebuild my DIY COB light from the ground up, and build some new SIPs incorporating what I've learned. Since all my wicks are a little different, it won't be until after my outdoor is done that I decide on the best design/material/size/proportions for next gen wicks.
 
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Humanrob

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Sunday Update -- Day 44

Just passed the 6 week mark, this is my favorite time of growing, watching the buds fatten up. I noticed that I have to water either every 4 or 5 days, and it seems to be linked to how dry or humid the weather is. We've had very strange weather lately - a high of 100º today, next Thursday is supposed to be a high of 66º. With those swings comes drastic RH changes. With the heat we have now I had to shut off the Optic light and my UV lights, literally just to get through the night. A couple more days and they'll be back on.

It looks to me like the Bruce Banner #3 could finish @ 8 weeks, but the Rugburn OG x Chemdawg OG looks like it will need more like 10 weeks. The buds seem significantly less mature. Not a problem, I've got time, I've got nothing on deck waiting to get into the tent.

Bruce

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Rugburn/Chemdawg

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Humanrob

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Evil-Mobo said:
My flower tent is on auto pilot as well, just add tap water lol.......

Plants look good despite your troubles brother :)
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Thanks. :)

I'm more scientist than superstitious... but I still am reluctant to jinx myself, lol. I think I'm past the PM. No signs of it in weeks, and lots of strategies in progress to keep it down. If I can finish clean and squeeze 10oz out of this run, I'll be a happy camper.
 
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Rocket Soul

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I really love ur setup, c9b-sip-scrog seems like perfect combo. Hoping to get a stealthy cab setup after summer, now my tomatos are aiping and loving it. U see a difference right from the get go, everything in sips just grows better, even the jasmine which is sunshy can handle a day of full spanish sunshine.

The way i wanna go is modular for the scrog, mount it on the lid of the tub so plant and everything just lifts out, but need to find the right size containers. Hoping to find something so i can use both a shallow container (better oxygen in shallow water i recon) and a deep one for if im away over a few days. So interesting to see people trying this out, hoping to cut away some trial and error time as me is a noob
 
Humanrob

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Rocket Soul said:
I really love ur setup, c9b-sip-scrog seems like perfect combo. Hoping to get a stealthy cab setup after summer, now my tomatos are aiping and loving it. U see a difference right from the get go, everything in sips just grows better, even the jasmine which is sunshy can handle a day of full spanish sunshine.

The way i wanna go is modular for the scrog, mount it on the lid of the tub so plant and everything just lifts out, but need to find the right size containers. Hoping to find something so i can use both a shallow container (better oxygen in shallow water i recon) and a deep one for if im away over a few days. So interesting to see people trying this out, hoping to cut away some trial and error time as me is a noob
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My outdoor grow was just hit by its first really hot weather, and all the plants in SIPs did very well, never drooped and show no signs of stress. I agree with the modular scrog method, that's my plan also for my next grow. In the past I've used tomato cages that I cut down shorter and mounted wire fence across the top of, with some success.

Good luck with your experiments, there are a lot of roads to success with these set ups.
 
Humanrob

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Day 51

This grow should deliver some solid quality meds for my patient. Six months ago I would have been overjoyed with the way this is going, but my standards have changed. Not to complain, but I'm a bit disappointed with this grow -- the buds stretched and haven't filled in as I hoped they would. I've grown BB#3 before, and I remember the bud structure being more compact last time. The OGx2 is totally new to me and an oddball random strain, I've never even seen a picture of it in a grow or as a finished bud. So I have no references with that one. I will say the BB's buds are hard as a rock.

System sciences applies to a grow room. Everything is interconnected, the components influence and interact with each other and need to be balanced. It's possible that in adding the SIPs I increased the plants capacity in some way that I did not compensate for in other elements of the system. My last grow PSE (pre-SIP era) had four different strains, and none had stems that stretched this way (leaving the colas open instead of tightly packed). I'll be using SIPs again, so the experiments will continue. I might grow another GG#4 next time and see if the bud structure changes from the previous PSE grow. Those were probably the fattest densest colas from my last grow.

The only hypothesis I've come up with is that last grow I had to keep my light higher, so I started this grow with the lights pretty high. The OG grew within 10" of the light, and instead of burning it ate it up. So, next grow I'll keep the lights lower throughout the grow, and see if that keeps the bud structure tighter. It's possible that somehow the continuous availability of water provided by the SIP gives the plants the ability (and maybe the need?) to be closer to the light without burning? Or its strain specific... I'll know more as the years roll by.

The OGx2 is starting to change color, finally. It still feels like it could fill out more, but probably not by much. The BB is right on schedule, and I'm betting next week I see amber and start the harvest. Since I'm leaving the tent running to finish the OG, I'll probably take the top buds off the BB and let the lower ones cook a while longer, that usually works for me. It doesn't make them bigger, but the lower buds can go from under-cooked to solidly ready to harvest with an extra week or two under the lights.

This morning's pics...

Rugburn OG x Chemdawg OG
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Bruce Banner #3
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bud gaps...
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ttystikk

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Humanrob said:
Day 51

This grow should deliver some solid quality meds for my patient. Six months ago I would have been overjoyed with the way this is going, but my standards have changed. Not to complain, but I'm a bit disappointed with this grow -- the buds stretched and haven't filled in as I hoped they would. I've grown BB#3 before, and I remember the bud structure being more compact last time. The OGx2 is totally new to me and an oddball random strain, I've never even seen a picture of it in a grow or as a finished bud. So I have no references with that one. I will say the BB's buds are hard as a rock.

System sciences applies to a grow room. Everything is interconnected, the components influence and interact with each other and need to be balanced. It's possible that in adding the SIPs I increased the plants capacity in some way that I did not compensate for in other elements of the system. My last grow PSE (pre-SIP era) had four different strains, and none had stems that stretched this way (leaving the colas open instead of tightly packed). I'll be using SIPs again, so the experiments will continue. I might grow another GG#4 next time and see if the bud structure changes from the previous PSE grow. Those were probably the fattest densest colas from my last grow.

The only hypothesis I've come up with is that last grow I had to keep my light higher, so I started this grow with the lights pretty high. The OG grew within 10" of the light, and instead of burning it ate it up. So, next grow I'll keep the lights lower throughout the grow, and see if that keeps the bud structure tighter. It's possible that somehow the continuous availability of water provided by the SIP gives the plants the ability (and maybe the need?) to be closer to the light without burning? Or its strain specific... I'll know more as the years roll by.

The OGx2 is starting to change color, finally. It still feels like it could fill out more, but probably not by much. The BB is right on schedule, and I'm betting next week I see amber and start the harvest. Since I'm leaving the tent running to finish the OG, I'll probably take the top buds off the BB and let the lower ones cook a while longer, that usually works for me. It doesn't make them bigger, but the lower buds can go from under-cooked to solidly ready to harvest with an extra week or two under the lights.

This morning's pics...

Rugburn OG x Chemdawg OG
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Bruce Banner #3
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bud gaps...
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Start with the lights high to allow the plants to harden off to the light. Then drop them down close for the rest of the run, raising only as the plants force it. A SCROG screen helps a lot with this.
 
Humanrob

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Evil-Mobo said:
Looking good man. That BB looks like it's gonna be some dank smoke.
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Yeah, Bruce is supposed to be a high THC Sativa dominant strain, just what my patient likes. I always say quality over quantity if I have to choose, and this one looks like it could be tasty. I have a clone from this plant going outside in a small SIP. The BB was the one that showed some signs of PM earlier in this grow, so I am not sure if it will finish in an Oregon outdoor. We'll see.
 
ttystikk

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Humanrob said:
Yeah, Bruce is supposed to be a high THC Sativa dominant strain, just what my patient likes. I always say quality over quantity if I have to choose, and this one looks like it could be tasty. I have a clone from this plant going outside in a small SIP. The BB was the one that showed some signs of PM earlier in this grow, so I am not sure if it will finish in an Oregon outdoor. We'll see.
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Potassium bicarbonate, aka Green Cure, is your friend for PM. during the last couple of weeks, I've also found that one part milk to six parts water is very effective. Both of these options are completely organic and won't harm the plant, the flavor, or the end user. They will turn your bud hairs brown, so be aware of that.
 
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ttystikk said:
Start with the lights high to allow the plants to harden off to the light. Then drop them down close for the rest of the run, raising only as the plants force it. A SCROG screen helps a lot with this.
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Definitely an approach I'll take. Scrogs are great. There were a few things that messed me up. One was the plants vegged too long before going in under the scrog, so they filled it from day one and I had very little time to train them. Then, these two plants were so different genetically that one outstretched the other by a long shot, making the light very uneven in distance. The one that stretched actually pushed the light as high as it can go, at this point its attached directly to the top bar of the tent.

When I rebuild the light, I'm thinking I'll make two lights out of it, so that I have more control since I seem to be settling on running two plants in this 2x4 tent. Here's a pic of the whole set up, my first "double layer" scrog.

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Humanrob

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ttystikk said:
Potassium bicarbonate, aka Green Cure, is your friend for PM. during the last couple of weeks, I've also found that one part milk to six parts water is very effective. Both of these options are completely organic and won't harm the plant, the flavor, or the end user. They will turn your bud hairs brown, so be aware of that.
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Thanks for that, I used that first thing as soon as I saw PM. Then I did a huge trim, turned the dehumidifier up and added a couple more fans to the underside blowing upward, since I've found PM tends to hide on the lower parts of the canopy. I have not reapplied GreenCure since buds formed, since I haven't seen any PM recently. I hate to spray anything on the buds, but its good to know it would be safe to spray this if I had to!
 
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