Coco Growers Unite!
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okthanks2
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I have the same question, also added to this question: Will Canna Coco A,B work well with the CocoGro medium? I've heard the Canna Coco resembles sawdust and holds water.
Thedillestpickle
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I havent seen any other cocos to compare to but the botanicare coco holds quite a bit of water as well, I wish I had mixed some perlite into my coco beforehand, too late for this grow now but next time Ill try that. With cocoGro and 30% perlite I imagine it would be an extremely well airated medium and still have good water retention. You can use a bigger pot to prevent needing to constantly be watering. I found my pH was a little funny the first few waterings with my coco but didn't wash it either, after about 3 waterings it was steady with only .1 fluctuations in my runoff pH. I think you can get away with not washing the botanicare as I didn't wash mine and my plants are doing quite fine. I dont know about the Cal/Mag though my nutes have cal and mag
spitsbuds
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ye the canna coco AnB will be ok to use. as for pre charging the coco youre using. im not sure. as some are washed some are not some are pre charged some are not and i use only canna pro plus.i always pre charge this with a low ppm feed for a couple of days and make sure the first liqiud that it come in contact with as AnB in it. as water will wash the beneficial micro life out and can knock the buffers out the best bet might going to botancare website see what they say. then google it and see what that throws up..sorry i couldn't be much more of an help.
3eyes
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Every time i start a new grow i have the same problems IE slow growth clawing and yellowing i ph the feed down to 5.8-6.2 and feed low strength but still the same problems, is anybody experiencing the same problems or just me? i'm using canna coco with house and garden nutes i have been using filtered water but due to the same problems every time i've bypassed the filter to see if it makes a difference i'm not sure if the nutes are to strong but 50% nutes for a plant that is 12" tall should be no problem or so i thought, any ideas peeps?
Thedillestpickle
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Hows your runoff pH?
BlueB
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Why not use CANNA A B with your canna coco? Have you been supplementing with CalMg in your nutes? I know that canna a b has more magnesium than regular canna aqua. I had the same problem with the yellowing and found it was a Mg problem. I use Canna A B and I still supplement with CalMg and I use RO water. I just now switched from Canna Coco to CocoGro so we'll see if everything stays same.
spitsbuds
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hi
first of all try not to use the fillter at all just making things worst. the problem sounds like it is in youre feed some were. its hard to tell with out pics(as it could be 2 things i.e slight over fert for the claw and a def for the yellowing ect) and with out knowing about whats in youre food i go look it up house and garden nutes.. and get back to you
first of all try not to use the fillter at all just making things worst. the problem sounds like it is in youre feed some were. its hard to tell with out pics(as it could be 2 things i.e slight over fert for the claw and a def for the yellowing ect) and with out knowing about whats in youre food i go look it up house and garden nutes.. and get back to you
3eyes
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I don't check run off for ph i only feed 1L at a time so it all gets soaked into the coco, all the problems i seem to have are in veg flowering is no problem which seems to be the opposite to everyone else i'll post some pics later but i'm hoping the problem won't be so bad later because i leached with epsom salts last night also i'm going to get some canna a+b as that is the only feed that didn't give no problems before
Thedillestpickle
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Hey guys Im growing in coco, I just transplanted from 100% to a 50/50 mix of coco and perlite. Does anyone thing I may have just fucked up my plants? After I was done transplanting I started getting really worried that maybe that wasnt such a good idea. Im thinking the denser coco will stay waterlogged while the 50/50 dries out, maybe root rot or something right in the inner root-ball. If anyone can reassure me that my plants will be ok that would be awesome, before I panic and up root them into another medium!
halftime
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I just picked up12 clones on 12-30-11. They came in the rockwool cubes. The next day I transplanted into 2 gal geo pots w/ 100% coco. I used the botanicare cocogro. I rinsed the coco with 6.0 ph r/o water prior to transplant then watered with1/4 strength botanicare pure blend pro veg, liquid karma , and cal mag that was ph'd to 5.8. Well my plants look terrible now. They just drooped over, like they were over watered. Well I've been told that you can't over water coco. Wrong! I also started noticing purpling on the leaves and other def. symptoms. So I took 6 of them and repotted into small nursery pots. Maybe 4" in size. I'll do the other 6 today. So my question now is, once my plants get roots well established in these small pots, should I repot in how should I mix my coco?. Like what%, and what additive. I'm thinking perlite. Like I said this is my first experience and would appreciate any help or feedback. FYI geo pots are like smart pots. Just different name? I'll post pics after my phone charges.
Thedillestpickle
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Sounds like were both trying to find out the same thing, I just moved my plants from 100% coco in 1 gallon pots to 2 gallon pots of 50%coco/50% perlite, But im just not sure if that was such a bright idea. Hopefully we will get some feedback on this
3eyes
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My plants have perked up after the flush with the epsom salts the clawing has mostly gone but are still yellow SO today i bought some cal/mag and have just fed the girls 50% feed with cal/mag added i'm going to let the dry out for a few days now and just foliar feed.
@halftime over watering in coco is hard to do i've leached my pots and run gallons through them next day the plants are standing straight up like normal even though the coco is soaking wet so your problem may not be over watering you may be experiencing similar problems to me also if you add to much feed the salts will draw water from the plant and she will droop giving the impression they have been over watered.
@halftime over watering in coco is hard to do i've leached my pots and run gallons through them next day the plants are standing straight up like normal even though the coco is soaking wet so your problem may not be over watering you may be experiencing similar problems to me also if you add to much feed the salts will draw water from the plant and she will droop giving the impression they have been over watered.
horribleherk
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im on my second coco grow 75% coco 25% coarse perlite next grow im gonna increase perlite to 50% & use a finer grade perlite i like to flood once daily right now i only flood about every 3 days as my plants are small & dont demand much but soon ill kick it up to daily flooding here is pics of my first coco grow [flowering] & my current grow [small plants] im still dialing this stuff in but so-far so-good
im on my second coco grow 75% coco 25% coarse perlite next grow im gonna increase perlite to 50% & use a finer grade perlite i like to flood once daily right now i only flood about every 3 days as my plants are small & dont demand much but soon ill kick it up to daily flooding here is pics of my first coco grow [flowering] & my current grow [small plants] im still dialing this stuff in but so-far so-good
BlueB
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You mentioned you just got these as clones. What type of light did you put them under after tranplanting them? If they are just little clones then they need to be introduced to the brighter lights slowly. I'm not saying that it isn't an overwatering issue but as you mentioned, it's very hard to over water coco. The canna coco and other coco that resembles saw dust is easier to over water however. This being said, what light are you using? What type of coco? What is your PPM or E.C.? Just because you used all of those ferts at 1/4 strength doesn't mean they aren't getting over fertilized. I usually only start with 1/4 strength of ONLY the grow nute and nothing more until they get well established. It's better to start with some rhizotonic or root excellerator for the first week. Then switch to the real nutes otherwise they will get over fert. Just a suggestion for you.
BeaverHuntr
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Good answer dude.. I have always transplanted rooted clones in coco pots and never once had a problem outside of pests and bugs I have transplanted rooted clones from rockwool, soil and coco. However I never introduce my rooted clones to any HID light right away I always let them chill under the T5 for a few days. A well rooted clone shouldnt die that easy from over fertilization because they are clones and you can hit a well rooted clone with full strength nutes and even put them right under the HID light because they share the same characteristics as the mother plant.
halftime
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they are under t5s and I have been giving them 1/4 strength of the recommended dosage for seelings and clones. And the coco I'm using is botanicare cocogro and their nutes as well. I only gave them cal mag . Liquid carma and vegg pbp grow. That's only one nutrient. The rest are only additives.