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I don't know anyone who has been denied healthcare or procedures nor do I know anyone
who has gone into debt for illness, accidental injury, childbirth etc unless they traveled to the US
without insurance and something happened to them while they were away.

I have needed emergency care, I can go see a doctor when I need to. I can also go to a private clinic
and pay for a procedure or carry private insurance if I don't want to wait.

I can also go anywhere in Canada and be covered.
Here is another fact about the Canadian system:

Health departments are willing to fund treatment in the United States or elsewhere that is well proven and not available here, said Terry Sullivan, a high-level Ontario health-care administrator for decades. In 2010-11, for instance, the Ontario government paid out $55-million for out-of-country treatment, Alberta $3.6-million and B.C. $9-million, their health departments say. But administrators have to be cautious when dealing with the United States’ more entrepreneurial medical culture and cognizant that novel techniques do not always measure up under rigorous testing, said Dr. Sullivan, now a health-policy researcher with the University of Toronto.

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I am happy knowing I will always be covered and my family will not be left in financial ruin if someone gets sick or hurt.

ricky1lung said:

I don't know anyone who has been denied healthcare or procedures nor do I know anyone
who has gone into debt for illness, accidental injury, childbirth etc unless they traveled to the US
without insurance and something happened to them while they were away.

I have needed emergency care, I can go see a doctor when I need to. I can also go to a private clinic
and pay for a procedure or carry private insurance if I don't want to wait.

I can also go anywhere in Canada and be covered.
Here is another fact about the Canadian system:



I am happy knowing I will always be covered and my family will not be left in financial ruin if someone gets sick or hurt.

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Tell that BS to my bosses dad who is alive today for having surgery done in the united states and not waiting 6 months like they wanted him to do in Canada.....

Mindmelted said:

Tell that BS to my bosses dad who is alive today for having surgery done in the united states and not waiting 6 months like they wanted him to do in Canada.....

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I added this quote:

Health departments are willing to fund treatment in the United States or elsewhere that is well proven and not available here, said Terry Sullivan, a high-level Ontario health-care administrator for decades. In 2010-11, for instance, the Ontario government paid out $55-million for out-of-country treatment, Alberta $3.6-million and B.C. $9-million, their health departments say. But administrators have to be cautious when dealing with the United States’ more entrepreneurial medical culture and cognizant that novel techniques do not always measure up under rigorous testing, said Dr. Sullivan, now a health-policy researcher with the University of Toronto.

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to show people with misconceptions about the Canadian system in that regard are wrong. Funny you left it out quoting me and disputing what
I said. I love the classic "I know someone who knows someone" lines in this thread.

Do U.S hospitals not have wait times? Just a drive through operation station, in out and down the street?
I highly doubt people never have to wait for certain procedures, and like I said in Canada just like the states
we also have private options to jump the line.

Winter Woman said:

Schuylaar, it's ok for him to call a woman a cunt?

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sounds like a hate crime to me. I'm not surprised someone so racist is also a misogynist though. He's probably homophobic too.

that fucker!

ricky1lung said:

Do U.S hospitals not have wait times? Just a drive through operation station, in out and down the street?
I highly doubt people never have to wait for certain procedures, and like I said in Canada just like the states
we also have private options to jump the line.

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back when i was working for the man and doing the whole employer provided private insurance, they wanted me to wait three weeks to even be seen by a doctor even though i was quite literally unable to move due to muscle spasms in my back.

nowadays, i just go to the free clinic and pay on the sliding scale and always get seen same day, don't even bother mentioning that i have insurance.

ricky1lung said:

I added this quote:



to show people with misconceptions about the Canadian system in that regard are wrong. Funny you left it out quoting me and disputing what
I said.

Do U.S hospitals not have wait times? Just a drive through operation station, in out and down the street?
I highly doubt people never have to wait for certain procedures, and like I said in Canada just like the states
we also have private options to jump the line.

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My wife had quadruple bypass 2 years ago.Told one day she needed it and 2 days later split open like a chicken.Should be no 6 months if the health care system worked as good as you say it does.Which my bosses dad say's it does not.

ginwilly said:

sounds like a hate crime to me. I'm not surprised someone so racist is also a misogynist though. He's probably homophobic too.

that fucker!

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like i said, if the sarah palin hooker shoe fits...

ricky1lung said:

Do U.S hospitals not have wait times? Just a drive through operation station, in out and down the street?
I highly doubt people never have to wait for certain procedures, and like I said in Canada just like the states
we also have private options to jump the line.

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your private healthcare industry sprung up and is flourishing in need as an alternative to what your government program couldn't handle. Imagine if Canada had 300 million people.

I like your SUPER hospitals. They are based on the model of our regular hospitals and private payer source but you guys call them SUPER. we call them.... hospitals. Why is that?

As more surgeons become paid employees of hospitals, our wait times will increase. As of now though, we are the best in the world for quick service.

Mindmelted said:

My wife had quadruple bypass 2 years ago.Told one day she needed it and 2 days later split open like a chicken.Should be no 6 months if the health care system worked as good as you say it does.Which my bosses dad say's it does not.

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didn't you say you had a payment plan and that you are now basically in medical debt forever as well?



why not mention that part as well?

Winter Woman said:

Schuylaar, it's ok for him to call a woman a cunt?

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of course not..do you guys have bad blood or something?

UncleBuck said:

back when i was working for the man and doing the whole employer provided private insurance, they wanted me to wait three weeks to even be seen by a doctor even though i was quite literally unable to move due to muscle spasms in my back.

nowadays, i just go to the free clinic and pay on the sliding scale and always get seen same day, don't even bother mentioning that i have insurance.

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Yup, I can go to the clinic here every day if I wanted to or felt the need to.

@Mindmelted,
Sounds like your wife needed emergency surgery, in an event like that you would get that surgery without
waiting even if they had to be sent to the US to get it done.

I cant walk into a clinic willy nilly and get an MRI or a CT, I have to get an appointment. Again alternatively I have
the option to go to a private clinic and make an appointment to get in quicker.

ginwilly said:

Did you know that medicare/caid deny more coverage for pre-existing conditions than all other insurance companies combined? They don't call it pre-existing though, they call it chronic and limit care based on this designation.

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my point being that when you have a gap as little as 30 days, they can go back to something from 20 years ago and carve it out which is ridiculous..imo

EDIT: now they will no longer be allowed to do so..

UncleBuck said:

like i said, if the sarah palin hooker shoe fits...

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It is offensive imo.

Mindmelted said:

Sorry to inform you douchebag!!! Just made the last payment FUCKTARD.And that was my bill dumbass,Hers was paid in full.Thanks for playing now move along.

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and what about the people who don't sell weed in one of the most profitable markets in tha nation and rely on minimum wage jobs that budget $20 a month for health care?

UncleBuck said:

and what about the people who don't sell weed in one of the most profitable markets in tha nation and rely on minimum wage jobs that budget $20 a month for health care?

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Who sells weed in one of the most profitable markets in the nation???????

ginwilly said:

your private healthcare industry sprung up and is flourishing in need as an alternative to what your government program couldn't handle. Imagine if Canada had 300 million people.

I like your SUPER hospitals. They are based on the model of our regular hospitals and private payer source but you guys call them SUPER. we call them.... hospitals. Why is that?

As more surgeons become paid employees of hospitals, our wait times will increase. As of now though, we are the best in the world for quick service.

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So what are you arguing about? We have a 2 tiered system that we don't risk being indebted for a lifetime to utilize. I already pointed that out without trying to hide the private option.

If we had more people Im more than positive we would also build more health facilities.

Super hospitals, well I haven't heard that one but I do know of the Alberta Super Board that was created to amalgamate several health authorities. They call it that because of how large it is, the largest health authority in the country.

Mindmelted said:

Who sells weed in one of the most profitable markets in the nation???????

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i'm sure the digital scale and the near pound of weed every couple months are just personal use. my bad.

Mindmelted said:

All right,i want to thank everyone who followed this grow.The Aj was a interesting grow for sure.Any how took her down friday and boy was i surprised by the end total wet weight was 1,515 grams.

The Main cola was 20 inches long and weighed in at 187.1 grams....

So it looks like end weight should be around 300 grams....

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Winter Woman said:

Schuylaar, it's ok for him to call a woman a cunt?

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Only when you act like one

Ask an auto insurance agent why car insurance is so expensive

Answer:
because of all the uninsured drivers
Now let me quote Mitt Romney

"We can't have as a nation 40 million people — or, in my state, half a million — saying, 'I don't have insurance, and if I get sick, I want someone else to pay,' " says Romney, a Republican who says he might run for president in 2008.


Romney sees his plan as part of that mix.
"It's a conservative idea," says Romney, "insisting that individuals have responsibility for their own health care. I think it appeals to people on both sides of the aisle: insurance for everyone without a tax increase."

schuylaar said:

my point being that when you have a gap as little as 30 days, they can go back to something from 20 years ago and carve it out which is ridiculous..imo

EDIT: now they will no longer be allowed to do so..

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Please don't take it that I'm defending private insurance. They too, are the bane of my existence. But when dealing with insurance and what they'll cover and how much they'll pay and ease and speed, from best to worst it's the prison system> work comp (once started)> VA system (although they are last in speed)>private>>>>>>medicare>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>medicaid.

If they were going to take the approach they did, where they went against the people's will to pass a poorly thought out bill without reading it, they should have went single payer. No other increased government encroachment makes sense. It's gov regulations that cause such waste and inefficiency leading to increased costs. Single payer and rationing is the eventual outcome from here. The government will have no choice but to fix the giant mess the government caused with more government. Job security.