Winter Woman
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From a weak mind.like i said, if the sarah palin hooker shoe fits...
Coming to a hospital near you, sign up now.
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Winter Woman
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So you steal from the needy too.
UncleBuck
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a weak mind came up with the idea for this thread.
tell unrelated story, claim obamacare will kill us all, throw stones and run away, VICTORY!
don't forget to tell everyone that obamacare will take away their guns and force your white daughter to be impregnated by an inner city black male somewhere in those 487,943,212 pages.
woops, White daughter.
tell unrelated story, claim obamacare will kill us all, throw stones and run away, VICTORY!
don't forget to tell everyone that obamacare will take away their guns and force your white daughter to be impregnated by an inner city black male somewhere in those 487,943,212 pages.
woops, White daughter.
Winter Woman
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I do like that
UncleBuck
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if i mentioned being insured, i would have paid them a $15 co pay that they would have sent down the line.
instead, i paid them about $60 for the appointment and another $25 for the anitbiotics. they get to keep it all. i was happy to do so as a 'thank you' for always getting seen same day.
the insurance is just to protect us in case of something catastrophic, not scratches from my cat that make zimmerman's "life threatening" wounds look like a hair out of place.
they are in line to get another $60 from me next year just for listening to me tell them that i still have back spasms and faxing the doctor's notes to the medical cannabis office.
not to mention that they get most of their funding from property taxes, which you can accuse me of not paying even though it's not possible.
ChesusRice
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"My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse. Believe it or not -- this was in the '60s -- we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn't that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada," Palin said a speech Saturday night, according to the Calgary Herald.
Winter Woman
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I don't believe that for one red second
UncleBuck
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do you want their number? you can call them up and ask them about their sliding scale.
ginwilly
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What you have is similar to having the entire country on medicare but they can use private insurance or pay cash if they wish from what I understand(correct if wrong). Our medicare recipients are allowed to purchase supplemental policies and in that case usually have no out of pocket cost for health care. I get the feeling you think Obamacare is exactly that but it's not. What we've done is created an exchange system where a pool of people buy private insurance. There will be state money to help bribe the insurance companies to take these people. States are not allowed to print their own money, so some see an unsustainable system on the horizon. The federal money comes in coupons to poor people concerning their health care insurance.
Our government gives me kickbacks (incentives) to document the color of skin whether you want me to or not. I also have to document what language you speak, if you are sexually active, if you smoke, if you drink, how much, your ht, wt and family history among other very personal things that your health care provider may need to know, but now the IRS will too.
I've heard lots of claims of what the bill does, but most of them are fantasy. There will still be over 10M without insurance, costs will necessarily have to rise, the incentives given to the hosp corp will cause a doctor shortage, perverse incentives to create a part time work force was forced on us, we can't buy a life saving drug from third world countries like Canada because we must buy American drugs.... made in Malaysia. That's just a few things it does, there's much more.
Our health care system is a mess and needed change. I think people were pretty much in agreement on both sides of the argument. Those last few delusional supporters of Obamacare must still be going off what Pelosi/Obama said it was instead of what it really is. This adds to the big problems and addressed only a few. I'm with Schuylaar (say that for me phonetically please, I'm saying shy-lar in my head) in being against dropping people for pre-existing. That wasn't worth twenty thousand pages of shit though.
ChesusRice
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We had the Medicare Part E option in Obamacare (E as in Everyone)
But some asshole Republican named Joe Lieberman shot that idea down with his vote
ginwilly
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Like I said, I wish Bush had passed this catastrophe so the left would be more realistic about it and see it for what it is. But then there would be some of the partisan right that would be defending it now.We had the Medicare Part E option in Obamacare (E as in Everyone)
But some asshole Republican named Joe Lieberman shot that idea down with his vote
ChesusRice
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I wish Bush had passed it as well. Then we would have Medicare part E. E as in everyone. It was a Republican Idea to begin with.
Mindmelted
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Another assumption from the king of assumption.Of course UB is way off as usual and no where near the truth.
Rob Roy
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How do you justify one group of people using governmental force to make another group of people participate in something they don't want to?
Isn't it ironic that the people who will "approve" of using this force (congress) will likely be exempt from having to participate? Are some pigs "more equal" than others?
Rob Roy
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There is no significant difference between Democrats or Republicans. It was a GOVERNMENT EXPANSIONIST idea, that is the tool that both parties love and protect.
ricky1lung
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Im in no way suggesting Obamacare is an end all fix all situation but it is a start.
What is known is that preventative care helps people live healthier lives.
I want to touch on a couple points in this thread.
Costs: It is well known that doctors and nurses are not paid as much in Canada as they are in the US, this
led to a severe brain drain in our medical system as people would train here and move to the US to work.
It has also been proven that the private clinics have driven up costs across the entire system.
Now, I want to provide a story from reuters ( I trust reuters to be credible enough) which shows that Canadians
live longer than Americans, surely this is not due to some third world care that seems to be suggested through out
this thread.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/29/us-health-idUSTRE63R6B520100429
Obamacare is not perfect, but it is a start down a healthier path for all Americans.
What is known is that preventative care helps people live healthier lives.
I want to touch on a couple points in this thread.
Costs: It is well known that doctors and nurses are not paid as much in Canada as they are in the US, this
led to a severe brain drain in our medical system as people would train here and move to the US to work.
It has also been proven that the private clinics have driven up costs across the entire system.
Now, I want to provide a story from reuters ( I trust reuters to be credible enough) which shows that Canadians
live longer than Americans, surely this is not due to some third world care that seems to be suggested through out
this thread.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/04/29/us-health-idUSTRE63R6B520100429
Obamacare is not perfect, but it is a start down a healthier path for all Americans.
you are "forced" to be responsible and have car, homeowners etc..when people have access to preventative services the population as a whole is healthier..maybe you should look at it this way..preventative services utilized by someone else, can have an effect on YOUR health..sick people, make healthy people sick..
EDIT: there will be options for low, low cost "catastrophic" type, no doubt..so choose one of those and IF you do have to go to the hospital you'll be happy you have it. think of it as a boveda pack..affordable insurance, safety net so you don't lose the harvest..
I recently left my cushy home in south florida to visit family in boston and came back with the worst head and chest cold which turned into BAD bronchitis (i couldn't even smoke a whole bowl)..i had a surgical procedure which had to be halted because i was coughing so bad while under anesthesia and peed my pants to boot..they woke me up and sent me home. I had already invested 265$ for surgical clearance which i will no doubt have to repeat..had to go to urgent care center and spend 135$ for visit luckily only about 50$ for prednisone tesselon zpak because they were generics..i'm a currently a full time student and my cash is limited.
no, not effective until Jan 1 2014 coverage..currently, insurance companies application still include questions regarding pre-existing..soon to be OUTLAWED
ChesusRice
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BUT But But they force you to buy health insurance.no, not effective until Jan 1 2014 coverage..currently, insurance companies application still include questions regarding pre-existing..soon to be OUTLAWED
Why should I have to buy insurance if they cant deny you pre existing conditions? I can just get insurance when I get sick and make them pay the bill
Obamacare is going to put insurance companys out of business. Obama is the most Communist president we have ever had.
NLXSK1
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Obama does not believe in free enterprise.
He took over the college loan system. Now the government confiscates your money through taxes, loans it out to college students and makes a profit on it... Does that sound right?
There are so many fucked up things coming out of this administration....