Copenhagen Erupts Into Applause For Hugo Chavez

another photo, any point to the photo??? make a point, the photo's say nothing...

The point being, ur known by whom you associate with.....

And one picture is worth 1000 words.

redivider said:

another photo, any point to the photo??? make a point, the photo's say nothing...

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How about these...do you get it?

Johnnyorganic said:

And one picture is worth 1000 words.

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what's that supposed to mean?? because that leaves plenty of room for interpretation.... if obama is known by who he associates with, and he associates with Chavez, i believe he is a politician who stands up for the regular folk, an honest, smart-worded individual who will always speak the truth, who believes the real danger in the world lies within the realms of greed.... but that wouldn't be true... because we all know obama does lie, obama is somewhat of an elitist, and he doesn't give a flying fuck about the regular folk, and will help his rich friends get richer, regardless of what his beautiful speeches say.......

so, yeah, make a point.....

how much is this one worth????

Get ready for a picture of Bush holding hands like he's the boyfriend of the King of Saudi Arabia.

Or Rummy shaking hands with Saddam Hussein.

I don't know who will do it, but someone will.

redivider said:

how much is this one worth????

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Intended to trigger an emotional response. But....

There's no frame of reference. No date or location.

That could be Eastern Europe during the Cold War.

Or Mexico now.

it's been done, it got old....

look at this....

the first one is some powerplants in the distance, the second is a satellite image showing a piece of china's landscape covered in a thick plume of smog, the third is a fishing village somewhere in asia I'm guessing....

do you think that's healthy for the world???

i don't think we should pay for them to clean their shit up, but we can set an example and clean up for ourselves.... i mean look at that?? there's places in this world where the population doesn't have water because of shit like this.....

Too bad they don't teach social studies in our schools anymore. If they did people would understand that Socialist Countries have throughout history been synonymous with tyranny, oppression, lack of human rights, poverty and mass murder.

Capitalistic Democracies on the other hand promote freedom, human rights, self determination, wealth, and elected, accountable leaders. I had a professor from Venezuela who assured me that although Chavez wins every election in a landslide, you couldn't find anyone who voted for him to save your life. But again, if they still taught this stuff in school people would know elections in Socialist Countries are fake.

Another thing people should know is that the world has been on the wrong side of every important issue in history, so when we have the world against us, it's a good indication we are doing the right thing. Besides, what do you expect for poor third world countries?

Get a clue guys.

since you didn't give any examples of the world being against the US, and the US being right, and a reference to a modern issue that will fit that example......i'll just ignore that post....

Fuck I just saw peter north spiderman this chick. HILARIOUS!

redivider said:

since you didn't give any examples of the world being against the US, and the US being right, and a reference to a modern issue that will fit that example......i'll just ignore that post....

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Well, you could at least address the main point that elections in socialist countries are rigged and that these countries are synonymous with everything bad.

But since you ran for the straw man I'll be happy to indulge. Maybe this will explain it.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]If you are ever morally confused about a major world issue, here is a rule that is almost never violated: Whenever you hear that "world opinion" holds a view, assume it is morally wrong.


And here is a related rule if your religious or national or ethnic group ever suffers horrific persecution: "World opinion" will never do a thing for you. Never.

"World opinion" has little or nothing to say about the world's greatest evils and regularly condemns those who fight evil.

The history of "world opinion" regarding the greatest mass murders and cruelties on the planet is one of relentless apathy.
Ask the 1.5 million Armenians massacred by the Ottoman Turks;

• or the 6 million Ukrainians slaughtered by Stalin;
• or the tens of millions of other Soviet citizens killed by Stalin's Soviet Union;
• or the 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis and their helpers throughout Europe;
• or the 60 million Chinese butchered by Mao;
• or the 2 million Cambodians murdered by Pol Pot;
• or the millions killed and enslaved in Sudan;
• or the Tutsis murdered in Rwanda's genocide;
• or the millions starved to death and enslaved in North Korea;
• or the million Tibetans killed by the Chinese;
• or the million-plus Afghans put to death by Brezhnev's Soviet Union.

Ask any of these poor souls, or the hundreds of millions of others slaughtered, tortured, raped and enslaved in the last 100 years, if "world opinion" did anything for them.

On the other hand, we learn that "world opinion" is quite exercised over Israel's unintentional killing of a few hundred Lebanese civilians behind whom hides Hezbollah — a terror group that intentionally sends missiles at Israeli cities and whose announced goals are the annihilation of Israel and the Islamicization of Lebanon. And, of course, "world opinion" was just livid at American abuses of some Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. In fact, "world opinion" is constantly upset with America and Israel, two of the most decent countries on earth, yet silent about the world's cruelest countries.

Why is this?

Here are four reasons:

First, television news.

It is difficult to overstate the damage done to the world by television news. Even when not driven by political bias — an exceedingly rare occurrence globally — television news presents a thoroughly distorted picture of the world. Because it is almost entirely dependent upon pictures, TV news is only capable of showing human suffering in, or caused by, free countries. So even if the BBC or CNN were interested in showing the suffering of millions of Sudanese blacks or North Koreans — and they are not interested in so doing — they cannot do it because reporters cannot visit Sudan or North Korea and video freely. Likewise, China's decimation and annexation of Tibet, one of the world's oldest ongoing civilizations, never made it to television.

Second, "world opinion" is shaped by the same lack of courage that shapes most individual human beings' behavior. This is another aspect of the problem of the distorted way news is presented. It takes courage to report the evil of evil regimes; it takes no courage to report on the flaws of decent societies. Reporters who went into Afghanistan without the Soviet Union's permission were killed. Reporters would risk their lives to get critical stories out of Tibet, North Korea and other areas where vicious regimes rule. But to report on America's bad deeds in Iraq (not to mention at home) or Israel's is relatively effortless, and you surely won't get killed. Indeed, you may well win a Pulitzer Prize.

Third, "world opinion" bends toward power. To cite the Israel example, "world opinion" far more fears alienating the largest producers of oil and 1 billion Muslims than it fears alienating tiny Israel and the world's 13 million Jews. And not only because of oil and numbers. When you offend Muslims, you risk getting a fatwa, having your editorial offices burned down or receiving death threats. Jews don't burn down their critics' offices, issue fatwas or send death threats, let alone act on such threats.

Fourth, those who don't fight evil condemn those who do. "World opinion" doesn't confront real evils, but it has a particular animus toward those who do — most notably today America and Israel.
The moment one recognizes "world opinion" for what it is — a statement of moral cowardice, one is longer enthralled by the term. That "world opinion" at this moment allegedly loathes America and Israel is a badge of honor to be worn proudly by those countries. It is when "world opinion" and its news media start liking you that you should wonder if you've lost your way. [/FONT]

Dennis Prager

Corporatism, the biggest threat of our time.

i don't understand the relevance of you're zionist jew propaganda piece....

i get the whole nobody cares about evil, part....

the whole bit about israel and the US went far off topic, and it serves no purpose... you said something 'when the whole world is against us, it probably means we're right'... and you have not shown one instance that is the case.... i can give you an instance when the whole world was FOR us, WW2, and we were right...... i can give you a case where the whole world was AGAINST us and we were wrong, Iraq.....

and don't come at me with we replaced a dictator, because what does that country have now? really?? a pseudo-government, without the capacity to rule without the US's precense, civil unrest, hunger, and a whole generation of kids who have never lived a life outside of war.... go to Iraq and ask around what they'd rather have, Sadam in power, or the shithole they have now.... i guess the answers you'll hear might surprise you... since you believe that when the world thinks the US is wrong, it is right.... when history has shown the exact opposite.....

and don't even begin to parallel the US and Israel as being a force of good in the world, because Israel doesn't even deserve the right to shine America's shoes......

and guess what?? the entire world was against Israel slaughtering the Palestinians because they were wrong, the jews won't admit it though.... that land was originally a Palestinian place, and the palestines are willing to negotiate a treaty that will create a dual-state, that can co-exist in peace.... but Israel is too greedy, they want that land for themselves, history will not be kind to them..... yet you blindly defend them as 'decent'....

keep you're head out of the zionist propaganda machine, look at reality as what it is, not what you're told it is, and you'll see the truth....

that's not even important, what should really concern you is the perception f the World of the US... we're considered the imperial dicatorship.... because during the past 8 years the US has conducted itself in that fashion.... you think that foreign policy is working?? look at Copenhagen, the world looks at the US as the dictatorship, as the oppressor... do you think that's effective foreign policy management?? do you think America will have the cooperation and respect of the rest of the world?? our armies can only go so far, our riches can only afford so much... the rest of the world has begun to despise the US, if you know anything about history, this is how world powers begin to slide.... it should be very concerning to you.... yet you keep babbling about israel, and Mao, and a bunch of shit that the powers that be want you to look at... while the reality just passes you by.....

RickWhite said:

Well, you could at least address the main point that elections in socialist countries are rigged and that these countries are synonymous with everything bad.

But since you ran for the straw man I'll be happy to indulge. Maybe this will explain it.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]If you are ever morally confused about a major world issue, here is a rule that is almost never violated: Whenever you hear that "world opinion" holds a view, assume it is morally wrong.


And here is a related rule if your religious or national or ethnic group ever suffers horrific persecution: "World opinion" will never do a thing for you. Never.

"World opinion" has little or nothing to say about the world's greatest evils and regularly condemns those who fight evil.

The history of "world opinion" regarding the greatest mass murders and cruelties on the planet is one of relentless apathy.
Ask the 1.5 million Armenians massacred by the Ottoman Turks;

• or the 6 million Ukrainians slaughtered by Stalin;
• or the tens of millions of other Soviet citizens killed by Stalin's Soviet Union;
• or the 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis and their helpers throughout Europe;
• or the 60 million Chinese butchered by Mao;
• or the 2 million Cambodians murdered by Pol Pot;
• or the millions killed and enslaved in Sudan;
• or the Tutsis murdered in Rwanda's genocide;
• or the millions starved to death and enslaved in North Korea;
• or the million Tibetans killed by the Chinese;
• or the million-plus Afghans put to death by Brezhnev's Soviet Union.

Ask any of these poor souls, or the hundreds of millions of others slaughtered, tortured, raped and enslaved in the last 100 years, if "world opinion" did anything for them.

On the other hand, we learn that "world opinion" is quite exercised over Israel's unintentional killing of a few hundred Lebanese civilians behind whom hides Hezbollah — a terror group that intentionally sends missiles at Israeli cities and whose announced goals are the annihilation of Israel and the Islamicization of Lebanon. And, of course, "world opinion" was just livid at American abuses of some Iraqi prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. In fact, "world opinion" is constantly upset with America and Israel, two of the most decent countries on earth, yet silent about the world's cruelest countries.

Why is this?

Here are four reasons:

First, television news.

It is difficult to overstate the damage done to the world by television news. Even when not driven by political bias — an exceedingly rare occurrence globally — television news presents a thoroughly distorted picture of the world. Because it is almost entirely dependent upon pictures, TV news is only capable of showing human suffering in, or caused by, free countries. So even if the BBC or CNN were interested in showing the suffering of millions of Sudanese blacks or North Koreans — and they are not interested in so doing — they cannot do it because reporters cannot visit Sudan or North Korea and video freely. Likewise, China's decimation and annexation of Tibet, one of the world's oldest ongoing civilizations, never made it to television.

Second, "world opinion" is shaped by the same lack of courage that shapes most individual human beings' behavior. This is another aspect of the problem of the distorted way news is presented. It takes courage to report the evil of evil regimes; it takes no courage to report on the flaws of decent societies. Reporters who went into Afghanistan without the Soviet Union's permission were killed. Reporters would risk their lives to get critical stories out of Tibet, North Korea and other areas where vicious regimes rule. But to report on America's bad deeds in Iraq (not to mention at home) or Israel's is relatively effortless, and you surely won't get killed. Indeed, you may well win a Pulitzer Prize.

Third, "world opinion" bends toward power. To cite the Israel example, "world opinion" far more fears alienating the largest producers of oil and 1 billion Muslims than it fears alienating tiny Israel and the world's 13 million Jews. And not only because of oil and numbers. When you offend Muslims, you risk getting a fatwa, having your editorial offices burned down or receiving death threats. Jews don't burn down their critics' offices, issue fatwas or send death threats, let alone act on such threats.

Fourth, those who don't fight evil condemn those who do. "World opinion" doesn't confront real evils, but it has a particular animus toward those who do — most notably today America and Israel.
The moment one recognizes "world opinion" for what it is — a statement of moral cowardice, one is longer enthralled by the term. That "world opinion" at this moment allegedly loathes America and Israel is a badge of honor to be worn proudly by those countries. It is when "world opinion" and its news media start liking you that you should wonder if you've lost your way. [/FONT]

Dennis Prager

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As my title states- this should be a manditory read in schools. Especially Collages and Universities.

+rep +rep +rep!!

redivider
" i don't understand the relevance of you're zionist jew propaganda piece...."

The reason why you do not understand is simple- you lack the ability to Judge without bias. And your comprehension skills are very poor.
Your very first sentence said it all. And the rest proved you comprehended nothing that was being presented.

Your only intent was to show everyone that you hate Jews and how we are wrong while failing to see what is right and good.

You need to stop wearing your ass as a hat and using your heart for hate.

redivider said:

i don't understand the relevance of you're zionist jew propaganda piece....

i get the whole nobody cares about evil, part....

The whole bit about israel and the us went far off topic, and it serves no purpose... You said something 'when the whole world is against us, it probably means we're right'... And you have not shown one instance that is the case.... I can give you an instance when the whole world was for us, ww2, and we were right...... I can give you a case where the whole world was against us and we were wrong, iraq.....

And don't come at me with we replaced a dictator, because what does that country have now? Really?? A pseudo-government, without the capacity to rule without the us's precense, civil unrest, hunger, and a whole generation of kids who have never lived a life outside of war.... Go to iraq and ask around what they'd rather have, sadam in power, or the shithole they have now.... I guess the answers you'll hear might surprise you... Since you believe that when the world thinks the us is wrong, it is right.... When history has shown the exact opposite.....

And don't even begin to parallel the us and israel as being a force of good in the world, because israel doesn't even deserve the right to shine america's shoes......

And guess what?? The entire world was against israel slaughtering the palestinians because they were wrong, the jews won't admit it though.... That land was originally a palestinian place, and the palestines are willing to negotiate a treaty that will create a dual-state, that can co-exist in peace.... But israel is too greedy, they want that land for themselves, history will not be kind to them..... Yet you blindly defend them as 'decent'....

Keep you're head out of the zionist propaganda machine, look at reality as what it is, not what you're told it is, and you'll see the truth....

That's not even important, what should really concern you is the perception f the world of the us... We're considered the imperial dicatorship.... Because during the past 8 years the us has conducted itself in that fashion.... You think that foreign policy is working?? Look at copenhagen, the world looks at the us as the dictatorship, as the oppressor... Do you think that's effective foreign policy management?? Do you think america will have the cooperation and respect of the rest of the world?? Our armies can only go so far, our riches can only afford so much... The rest of the world has begun to despise the us, if you know anything about history, this is how world powers begin to slide.... It should be very concerning to you.... Yet you keep babbling about israel, and mao, and a bunch of shit that the powers that be want you to look at... While the reality just passes you by.....

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......bigot!

oh, and you're = you are

Bigotry comes in many forms..... red has shown his. No surprise there.