could it be that the religion islam is a trojan horse

UncleBuck

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panhead said:
I wouldnt dare post my wifes thoughts on how to stabilize the region being torn apart using Islam as a shield, the hard core politics forum nutt jobs would rip her to shreds , call her a racist who believes in genocide ect .
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does she advocate for genocide or mass killings?
 
UncleBuck

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panhead said:
Not when it comes to my wife bro , I won't let myself get sucked into that trap .

That's a button I preferred pushed in person .
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so why would her views get taken as genocidal?

does her "final solution" involve a lot of muslims being killed?
 
panhead

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abandonconflict said:
You posit a very specious argument here. First off, you're incorrect, the Torah is just as violent as the Quran, despite your opinion to the contrary. There are many verses and not only Exodus which you allude to as specifically referring to a time, place and enemy. The Torah is repleat with commands from God to rape, stone and other acts of violence on quite a few opponents. NFurthermore, much is lost in translation, making this debate quite obfuscating.

So let's address the thesis of your argument. You're saying that Islam is more violent than the other two major Abrahamic religions because of God's commands to commit violence. In the same argument you admit that the Christian people have the far more violent history but excuse them on the basis that they did so of their own volition and not because God commanded it.

Then to top it off, you claim yourself to be arguing from authority "years of studying the Quran" and Panhead because of 4 decades of marriage to a Palestinian. You have no clue what you're talking about. This is evident in your poor argument. Panhead said in another thread his wife was Filipina. I on the other hand have served several combat tours with the airborne infantry in both Iraq and Afghanistan and I speak Arabic. I have endured years of indoctrination into your very fallacies and overcome it.

Don't even mention mistreatment of muslim women, there is nothing the West has done to improve their lives.

I defer to my first post in this thread to assert my views.
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I thought better of your fact checking before you throw comments out there about members being liars , my wife IS LEBANESE , not PALESTINIAN, show me these posts where I claim my wife is Fillipino or PALESTINIAN?
 
abandonconflict

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panhead said:
I thought better of your fact checking before you throw comments out there about members being liars , my wife IS LEBANESE , not PALESTINIAN, show me these posts where I claim my wife is Fillipino or PALESTINIAN?
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Fair enough. I see you're quick to perceive offense where none was intended.

What was all that about lbfm being so offensive?

My point in this thread is that it doesn't make you an authority on Islam. Instead of trying to convince us you're an expert so that your opinion means more, posit a coherent argument.
 
panhead

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abandonconflict said:
Fair enough. I see you're quick to perceive offense where none was intended.

What was all that about lbfm being so offensive?

My point in this thread is that it doesn't make you an authority on Islam. Instead of trying to convince us you're an expert so that your opinion means more, posit a coherent argument.
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I took offense ? I mearly asked for citations backing up your claim I've said my wife was Filipino or Palestinian instead of the Lebanese woman she is .

No less citation than your yourself would require if false claims were made about your comments, no ?

I'm an expert on how my Lebanese Muslim family practices Islam & their beliefs ,anything more is my opinion .

Lastly I've never tried to convince you of anything of but one thing , I love my wife very much & have no desire to drag her thru the mud .

I'm here to have fun , nothing more , others are here to win , not my ballgame brother .
 
tyler.durden

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abandonconflict said:
You posit a very specious argument here. First off, you're incorrect, the Torah is just as violent as the Quran, despite your opinion to the contrary. There are many verses and not only Exodus which you allude to as specifically referring to a time, place and enemy. The Torah is repleat with commands from God to rape, stone and other acts of violence on quite a few opponents. Furthermore, much is lost in translation, making this debate quite obfuscating.
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You are creating strawmen, these are not my arguments. My point is not which religion is historically more violent, my point is which is currently more violent. The Torah may have contain much more overall violence, but it's over save for the peoples encroaching on ''their" holy land of Israel. I am an athiest and I think all three abrahamic religions are net negative forces, I harbor no love for any of them...

So let's address the thesis of your argument. You're saying that Islam is more violent than the other two major Abrahamic religions because of God's commands to commit violence.
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Almost. I'm saying that Islam is currently more violent than the other abrahamic religions because of god's commands to commit ongoing violence...

In the same argument you admit that the Christian people have the far more violent history but excuse them on the basis that they did so of their own volition and not because God commanded it.
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No. I am not excusing christian violence. I am saying that the violence they committed was done on their own volition as there are no commands from god/jesus to do so...

Then to top it off, you claim yourself to be arguing from authority "years of studying the Quran" and Panhead because of 4 decades of marriage to a Palestinian.
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Not arguing from authority, but experience. I was engaged to the Palestinian girl, I don't know the nationality of @panhead 's wife...

You have no clue what you're talking about.
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You claim this, but you have not demonstrated that anything I've stated is erroneous...

This is evident in your poor argument. Panhead said in another thread his wife was Filipina. I on the other hand have served several combat tours with the airborne infantry in both Iraq and Afghanistan and I speak Arabic. I have endured years of indoctrination into your very fallacies and overcome it.
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You have shown that you have not understood my argument, and certainly haven't demonstrated why it is poor. I see that you are also arguing from experience, have you studied the Quran and Hadiths?

Don't even mention mistreatment of muslim women, there is nothing the West has done to improve their lives.
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I think it is important to address Islam's mistreatment of women, and it seems germane to this thread's topic. The subject of the thread is not what the US has done to alleviate muslim suffering, so that aspect is non sequitur...

I defer to my first post in this thread to assert my views.
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Cool...
 
UncleBuck

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panhead said:
Are you really this bored buck ?
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i'm just interested in knowing why your wife's views are described as genocidal.

i see a lot of ignorant doucheholes spouting off that we should turn the region into glass, let them all kill themselves, kill all those savages, etcetera.

i wonder if they are even bright enough to realize that this is why they claim to be mad at muslims, because they labor under the delusion that all muslims want to kill all of us.

it's retarded.
 
tyler.durden

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UncleBuck said:
@tyler.durden , i hope you realize that you are on this guy's side.

if i was ever on his side on any issue whatsoever, i would deeply examine my life to figure out where it all went so horribly wrong.
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Lol! I don't know that member, so I cannot comment. Unfortunately, on this issue on find myself on a side that includes many undesirable groups. I usually find myself on the side of the liberals, but the left by and large does not recognize this Islamic threat...
 
UncleBuck

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tyler.durden said:
My point is not which religion is historically more violent, my point is which is currently more violent.
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135,000 dead civilian muslims in iraq would probably say that it's christianity.

tyler.durden said:
The Torah may have contain much more overall violence, but it's over save for the peoples encroaching on ''their" holy land of Israel.
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then again there's also the KKK, and other right wing nutbags who have committed 3400+ hate crimes in the united states alone in the last decade, terrorists who shot up sikhs and abortion doctors and bomb gay night clubs, and the like.

tyler.durden said:
Islam is currently more violent than the other abrahamic religions because of god's commands to commit ongoing violence...
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their body count is nowhere near ours, your statement is false. demonstrably so.

tyler.durden said:
I am saying that the violence they committed was done on their own volition as there are no commands from god/jesus to do so...
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the KKK cited the bible when they lynched 4700+ blacks.

tyler.durden said:
I think it is important to address Islam's mistreatment of women, and it seems germane to this thread's topic.
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extremists of every stripe try to control and mistreat women, it is not particular to islam. just ask any conservative tea party type.

they literally blame rape victims for getting raped, make women pay for their own rape kits, tuck rapes under the carpet, vote against the VAW act, deny birth control and abortions to women, tell them to keep an aspirin between their knees, blame the way they dress for rape, and so much more.
 
UncleBuck

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tyler.durden said:
the left by and large does not recognize this Islamic threat...
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what islamic threat?

the cops kill more people than muslims do.

slippery bathroom floors kill more people than muslims do.

aspirin kills more people than muslims do.

right wing religious types kill more people than muslims do.

muslims are a scapegoat, not a threat.
 
panhead

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abandonconflict said:
What was all that about lbfm being so offensive?
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For men who claim to know how Muslims think this question even needs asking ? any of you guys brave enough to call a Muslim Woman a little brown fuck machine in front of her male Muslim family members would have your heads lopped off , navy seal , marine recon , Dealta force or regular army ,you'd be bled dry for such slander .

Very few here have any clue as to how Muslims lead their lives .
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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panhead said:
Compared to your zero ( insert laugh )

But you've got 200 news channels :) I believe what I see in person , you rely on reporting , I'll take my 8 over your mouse ,copy & paste any day .
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between the families of the two muslim friends i've had, i'm an expert on about 8 as well. and based on the fact that their familes had muslim friends, i wuld assume that those muslims are representative of those other muslims as well.

they all seemed like they wanted the same thing any human being does.

seriously though, why do your wife's views get described as genocidal? i thought genocde was the threat we faced from the muslims, not the threat they face from us?

should muslims be scared of us? i think so.
 
panhead

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UncleBuck said:
i'm just interested in knowing why your wife's views are described as genocidal.
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Re read post in question where I SAID my wife's views would be seen as genocide , reason being is the people who'd make those accusations don't sit at a supper table full of displaced Muslims & LISTEN to what they think .

My Muslim families enemy is not the US military or it's leaders , theirs is Hezbollah .
 
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