printer
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Really? It is that hard a concept?
Covid-19
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PadawanWarrior
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I miss the good old days when MTV was actually Music Television instead of a reality show channel.
Not all persons recovering from severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection develop SARS-CoV-2–specific antibodies. We show that nonseroconversion is associated with younger age and higher reverse transcription PCR cycle threshold values and identify SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in the nasopharynx as a major correlate of the systemic antibody response.
Nutty sKunK
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The biggest risk to life is being alive in the first place.
A risky proposition is going into malaria infested swamps without a vaccine.
It’s not a big risk is it? A 99% survival rate and an average death age of 84 in my country.
Id be happy as fuck to get to 60.
Your perspective of life shifts when you realise you are consciousness. The formless within the form. All this squabbling about seems very ironic.
Because common logic is that you live and when you die you’re dead for eternity. No more experience. Ever.
So by that logic how am I alive now if I’m dead forever? How can I get a slice of time if I’m dead for eternity? Put another way in a simple mathematical equation.
Eternity = infinity.
70 - infinity = infinity
70+ infinity = infinity
No matter how many years you live you are infinite. You are life. The whole of it. Look around. Isn’t it obvious?
I can’t convince you. I don’t want to. I want you to see and recognise it for yourself. And if you can’t then when you die you’ll realise, shit. This isn’t the end lol
This is the perfect example of not understanding what you read. If you had taken physics you'd know that in this brane, time is a linear phenomenon.
As for the consciousness I agree our sense of self resides within our consciousness. So now please show proof that our consciousness exists after our body's demise. Actual objective proof, otherwise it's just more religious mythology.
Nutty sKunK
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Time is not linear though is it? It can be warped within this physical world.
I can not show you proof. You have to see it for yourself. The truth is so abstract these days it can only be told through myth. One way of describing it is a ring of truth. A certain resonance of what im saying is true. That is beyond the mind understanding these words.
The list would be long but let me show you a few points, see if you understand what I’m saying is true. Or maybe 1 point because I’m needed just now lol
When did your experience start?
Not your first memory. You first experience?
We all experienced birth. Squeezed out our mums vaginas. Yet nobody (or very few) remember this. So what else don’t we remember?
We experienced being in our mothers womb for 9 odd months and here’s where it gets interesting. Ever heard of DMT? Look up DMT spirit molecule. It’s about how at a certain time in the development of the featus a massive dose of DMT happens. And when does this massive dose happen again? When we die. It’s the gateway from the spiritual world to the physical world.
tyler.durden
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That's the end of the conversation, then. Every con works the same, just a bunch of assertions. "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
I think you'd do better in our S&S&P subforum.
Nutty sKunK
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The proof is when we die isn’t it? I’m not going to kill her and say ‘told you so!’ Lol
That’s the problem. Looking for external evidence! It’ll only ever point to a smoking gun. Why?
Because we are consciousness. That is a fact. And can you show me consciousness? No. It’s the formless within the form. Life and consciousness are implicit in one another. Even in tiny microbes!
So looking for evidence is ironic because the whole being that is doing the looking is the immortal part of you and every living thing in existence. It’s like trying to look for the camera in the picture it has taken.
So there is your ‘proof’. It’s not out here it’s in you!
tyler.durden
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Most humans experience consciousness, yes. Depending on how you define it, not all life is conscious or sentient. I'm using the term as it's mostly used in cognitive science - an agent is considered conscious if it can have some mental states that it is aware of, and is indicated by the ability to think in concepts as opposed to experiencing simple precepts. There is no evidence that microbes, or most rudimentary life, are conscious. We do know that consciousness is an emergent property of sufficiently complex brains, and consciousness can certainly be demonstrated. What empirical evidence shows is when the brain dies (or is sufficiently damaged) our consciousness ceases to exist. Any other assertion is mere speculation with no grounding in objective reality.
Roger A. Shrubber
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perhaps he just slipped into this brane from a different part of the bulk and his causal relationships are different than ours?....or he could just be another fucking frootloop...
Nutty sKunK
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Thats describing self consciousness not consciousness itself. A spider, has consciousness but is not aware of itself. In other words any intelligent life has consciousness. Even instinctual animals have consciousness, minimal amounts but still present.
That’s an assumption that our consciousness ceases to exist. It’s not an assumption to say that consciousness has left the body though, that is what we call a dead animal.
Look up DMT spirit molecule. It’s the closest ‘proof’ we have of there being a physical vessel for consciousness in and out of physical matter
Roger A. Shrubber
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quit watching stupid poorly made 12 year old "documentaries"....if that's the closest "proof" you can come up with, then you can't come up with any proof...
tyler.durden
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Any consciousness is necessarily self consciousness. There is no demonstration of a Jungian or Tolleian universal or collective consciousness, that is just a speculative idea. I was specific in the way I'm using the term, as to avoid an equivocation fallacy. It is not an assumption that our consciousness ceases to exist, it is what is demonstrated upon each death. The assumption lies in asserting that it has left the body, since we know that it is an emergent property of the brain. It is like a candle being blown out and asking, 'where did the flame go?' It didn't go anywhere, it just ceases to exist. The nonsense surrounding DMT a la Joe Rogan is tiresome, so much bullshit with no objective backing. Again, it is just speculation. If you'd like to link to credible, peer-reviewed information demonstrating your assertion about DMT, please do. Afaik, that does not exist...
Roger A. Shrubber
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i would be pleased to see some kind of concrete proof that this isn't the end of our existence. i'm not happy to have to say that i think when you die, that is the end of you, but i've never seen one bit of factual information that says otherwise, just fantasies and wishes, couched in pseudo-scientific jargon to make it go down the ignorant masses throats easier
DustyDuke
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You should of kicked him in the cunt! Because he is a fucken pussy.
DarkWeb
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Yes according to Einstein and relativity, for us time is linear. The fact you discuss bending of time implies that normal time is linear and can become warped. Usually this warping requires huge energy expenditure.
This is a nice article if you're interested
Time Warps and Black Holes: The Past, Present & Future of Space-Time
Time and space together make up four-dimensional space-time, but will it ever be something scientists can fully comprehend?
www.space.com
You discuss taking DMT as proof of something and yes I know about DMT. I've seen some amazing things on acid. I actually had the good fortune to take some of the actual Sandoz LSD 25 product many years ago. It was a fascinating journey but I didn't consider it proof of anything other than a fascinating trip that made me think hard about myself and my life path.
Actually we can show proof of esoteric and unseeable things using mathematics and carefully formed experiments in physics. I hold experiments on consciousness to no higher or lesser standard. Science developed over millenia of careful observation and reproducible experimentation. We moved slowly and altered our laws as we proved them.
At no point did we simply come up with a desirable belief based on a drug induced, fever dream and conclude that was reality. It's a wonderful story and I'd be happy for you if it's true. But until it can be tested and replicated it's merely a very nice story.
Anyway thank you for not killing me to prove your point
I wish you well but hope you get vaccinated. Your vaccination status should in no way change your lovely story.
I'd be good with both of those as long as he took the vaccine.
Nutty sKunK
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It is an assumption!!!! Only you experience you. Where’s the proof i cease to exist when I die? Hmm? You can only experience your own death not someone else’s. So it is not a FACT my experience ends when I die. It is a fact my experience as this body ends sure.
So this proof you seek is impossible.
It’s like asking me to prove the water is warm without going in it!
Do you see what you’re asking is quite silly?
It’s a book available. It’s called DMT the Spirit molecule. Search if you want but I get the feeling your minds already made up.