Curing, a myth perpetuated by bad growers

Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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Squidbilly said:
If you chop once the lights have been on they have sucked up water from the medium...if you chop RIGHT BEFORE lights go on, in the dark, there is way less moisture in them to begin with.
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Not just moisture, but starch as well. At night the starches are stored in the roots, during the day they are moved to the leaves. This is easily demonstrable with an Iodine Stain test, but the moral of the story is harvesting during the dark period has several measurable benefits.
 
Hot Diggity Sog

Hot Diggity Sog

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Ace Yonder said:
Not just moisture, but starch as well. At night the starches are stored in the roots, during the day they are moved to the leaves. This is easily demonstrable with an Iodine Stain test, but the moral of the story is harvesting during the dark period has several measurable benefits.
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Thats good info to have...I'll be sure to harvest right after the dark cycle. Thanks.
 
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churchhaze

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During the day, leaves convert some of its flux sugars into starch to get ready for the night and stores it in the chloroplasts..

At night, the starch from the chloroplasts is slowly converted back to sugar and re-mobilized to food sinks like roots, buds, and expanding leaves. The plant estimates the night length based on the previous night lengths, and converts starch to sugar at a rate that maximizes growth without running out of food before the night is over. When the night is over, the leaves will be mostly out of their starch reserves.

This is why I always chop after the night period.
 
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churchhaze

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That's always been my thoughts. I tried 3 days darkness for the first time this time before box drying, and it came out pretty good, although I think 12 hours of darkness would have provided the same results. I don't think it causes a sudden burst of THC, but it did smell very skunky before chopping, and I was told c99 has no smell. Unbelievable skunk smell when trimming, on the other hand, c99 is also a new strain for me.... and I think a keeper!

(sorry to threadjack!! lol)

Hot Diggity Sog said:
I assume this would explain why some people say to give 48 hours or more of straight darkness before harvest (even if they don't actually know why they do what they do).
Any thoughts on that Church and Ace?
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anzohaze

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churchhaze said:
That's always been my thoughts. I tried 3 days darkness for the first time this time before box drying, and it came out pretty good, although I think 12 hours of darkness would have provided the same results. I don't think it causes a sudden burst of THC, but it did smell very skunky before chopping, and I was told c99 has no smell. Unbelievable skunk smell when trimming, on the other hand, c99 is also a new strain for me.... and I think a keeper!

(sorry to threadjack!! lol)
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I like c99 as well ibhave noticed 2 main phenos so far one stays small more indica and purples out the other stays a lil bigger no purple. The non purple tasted bettert then the purple amd also produced more weight then the purple. Organic soil side by side and outside
 
garlictrain

garlictrain

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anzohaze said:
So trim wet leaves fans and sugars, then place on alike cotton t shirt for a day in a humid room for 24 hrs theb take of t shirt and place in a big plastic tote people use for dwc. And burb for what a week few days and its good. You dint hang the plants or anything you literally chop plants trim it lay on shirt in humid area then into pladtic tote a day later
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^^^Wanted to clarify for all confused by this^^^ I truly believe ttystikk is using ORGANIC COTTON t-shirts to get the excellent results. Although many are starting to desire a more sustainable and eco friendly alternative to the cotton t's so I believe hydrofarm will be selling 10packs of bamboo t'shirts for drying now, not cheap but clearly worth it!

Unless of course you read ttystikk's post like I did and saw short sticks, then hung until spongy/ chewy, bucked off the stem and burped out in large containers.

I'm grateful to all who showed up to share their knowledge and insight into this ancient human practice.

An a big thank you to the science nerds dropping tasty science bites for the laypersons trying to attain higher level of skillsets!
 
redeyedfrog

redeyedfrog

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Guys I don't know the technical stuff about terpenes and all that but if you dry it right and store it properly in jars it tastes great after months of storage and the tases just gets better and better and smoother.
I know from personal experience that my mates that get lucky enough that I share my prized buds with tell me it's the smoothest they've smoked ever!
You see they get this quick dried stuff from their dealers and its always on the harsh side because there was no time invested in the cure, only dryimg time and into bags.my weed always ALWAYS tastes better after a proper cure, nothing scientific but it's a garauntee!
 
TheYokel

TheYokel

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Just to chime in...

I am growing an OG that while finishing smells like a skunks ass mixed with lemon...

While drying smells like a dead christmas tree...

And now after being jarred for 4 days is starting to smell like sour starburst...

I would have to disagree on curing not doing anything...
 
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Extacie

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Ace Yonder said:
Not just moisture, but starch as well. At night the starches are stored in the roots, during the day they are moved to the leaves. This is easily demonstrable with an Iodine Stain test, but the moral of the story is harvesting during the dark period has several measurable benefits.
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I read this somewhere and did it outdoors. Makes good sense. Indoors I throw a plant into flower like once a week. Any suggestions how to harvest indoor plants with the rotation at night without stressing them out? Maybe using a green light?

This is a very interesting thread. Good read once you get past all the pointless arguing.
My thoughts on curing/ripening (I am an amateur grower, but using logic here) When you think of biting into a peach still firm like an apple because it hasn't softened, it hasn't ripened; the starches haven't converted into sugars yet. A cow could eat it, a horse could eat it but humans can't digest starch. The entire journey of that peach, including resting on the counter at your home is figured into deciding when to pick it. They are delivered to the store still firm with the expectation that it will finish ripening at your house. If the peaches were picked ripe, they would squish and rot during their month long transport from china. Flushing and ripening are both part of the flowering process but ripening continues far beyond harvest. Ripening your product is all about letting it sit and cure for 2-4 weeks after harvesting.

A friend described it to me this way, and it makes sense to me. Seems most people don't think logically when it comes to growing cannabis (myself included, I'm probably one of the most guilty of this)

I like your idea in general @homebrew420 .
I noticed you said when drying the key is to keep a constant humidity level above 55% if I remember correctly. I was trying to "cure" my product while still on the drying lines. So my question is:

-Is it best to have constant humidity/temps? What I was doing was trying to replicate what would happen in jars. I would keep humidity approx 60-70% then once every day or two drop it down to approx. 45-50% for 10-15 minutes, then immediatley back up to that 60-70% range. Would it be better to maintain a constant temp/humidity throughout instead?

My concern with a constant high humidity is potentially allowing mold/mildew to develop on either A.) the product or B.) the actual room it's drying in?

Thoughts on this are much appreciated.
 
homebrew420

homebrew420

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@Extacie constant and yeah about 50-55% is the money zone I feel. At 55 the flower will still be pliable but will easily break apart very sticky even months after harvest. I am fortunate enough to have this as a constant. At 60+ you may very well be asking for mold issues and concern rises with %rh.

Peace
 
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Extacie

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homebrew420 said:
@Extacie constant and yeah about 50-55% is the money zone I feel. At 55 the flower will still be pliable but will easily break apart very sticky even months after harvest. I am fortunate enough to have this as a constant. At 60+ you may very well be asking for mold issues and concern rises with %rh.

Peace
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Thanks man! If you don't mind me asking, how do you keep it constant? This is something i just need to look up & will here in a little bit when I have more time. I am assuming something like a thermostat?
 
WestDenverPioneer

WestDenverPioneer

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Extacie said:
Any suggestions how to harvest indoor plants with the rotation at night without stressing them out?
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Remove the plant as soon as your lights turn on.

Extacie said:
My thoughts on curing/ripening (I am an amateur grower, but using logic here) When you think of biting into a peach still firm like an apple because it hasn't softened, it hasn't ripened; the starches haven't converted into sugars yet. A cow could eat it, a horse could eat it but humans can't digest starch. The entire journey of that peach, including resting on the counter at your home is figured into deciding when to pick it. They are delivered to the store still firm with the expectation that it will finish ripening at your house. If the peaches were picked ripe, they would squish and rot during their month long transport from china.
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Cannabis and peaches are not the same. Many fruits and vegetables are picked early as you described. Cannabis does not ripen once it is cut. It simply decays. Clear trichs turn amber. Clear trichs do not turn milky. Cannabis has to be picked ripe. It's not a peach.

Extacie said:
Flushing and ripening are both part of the flowering process but ripening continues far beyond harvest. Ripening your product is all about letting it sit and cure for 2-4 weeks after harvesting.
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Peaches, yes. Cannabis does not ripen beyond harvest.
Check out the people making "live resin" hash from fresh-frozen plants.
If it's picked fresh, it's ripe. If you are going to make live resin, it's ready. If you're going to smoke it, it only requires drying.
 
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