Cut off big fan leaves the day I started flowering and look..

NVGrower said:

That's ignorant. All parts of the plants absorb light and the more light the buds absorb the better. All light absorbed make photosynthesis happen. I have more leave coverage after chopping the head sized fan leaves now anyways.

Also, these plants have shoots from the bottom grown all the way to the top of the main cola now. No longer 'lower buds'

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Your ignorant......you didn't even read it! Your young and presumptuous! You read bullshit on the net and think it's gods work....
I might lollypop some but to remove fan leaves so "light" can get to the buds and increase their size is not actual plant science..

There is one strain I remove limited amounts of large fans from. For a more even finish - it does not increase bud size or quality.

How about you take a class in Horticulture or even spend the dollars on the class texts, maybe Nelson's green house guide....

You make false conclusions derived from bogus information and spread garbage..

The person who wrote that thread has been growing longer then I have. I've been doing it for over 42 years. I run an organic farm co-op among other things.What do you do for a living?

Sit on your hands and stop typing before you look even dumber

Lol. Your ego is so big. After 42 years you should of said, nice plants and left it at that. You OGs in these forums act like gods. Their is only one God. And it's everywhere.

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Leaves don't block light, they absorb it. It is a process called photosynthesis. It is how a plant makes energy and food to grow."


Actual quote I used with the applause!
The leaves do far more photosynthetic work then buds and their structure....get educated
@NVGrower

Did you not see a the huge canopy of leaves on the plant? And the bud sites not being mushed anymore? It's not like I shaved the leaves off and only left room for buds. The reason I wrote this article is to promote foliage growth from other places instead of having 10 enormous leaves shading every other part of the plant. And since cutting the enormous leaves off they've turned into big bushes. They were not like that until I gave them new room to grow.

And it saved the back right plant from dying because it had struggled since a seed.

So before you get your panties in a wad next time take more time to understand what someone's talking about. You act like I'm advocating shaving the plant to the stems. And then getting heated. Thanks for the article. I agree with it. I did this to help my grow and it helped because I can visually see the healthy bushy difference.

NVGrower said:

Lol. Your ego is so big. After 42 years you should of said, nice plants and left it at that. You OGs in these forums act like gods. Their is only one God. And it's everywhere.

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What ever kid - lop'em off! Do what you like!

I only posted something helpful and I was polite!

You come back and say I'm ignorant?

YOU started the deluge with insult.....BTW, it's not 42 years of ego - it's 42 years of experience attempting to teach you something!

But no! YOUR right and all of your huge experience has trumped mine and about every QUALITY grow writer out there!

NVGrower said:

That's ignorant. All parts of the plants absorb light and the more light the buds absorb the better. All light absorbed make photosynthesis happen. I have more leave coverage after chopping the head sized fan leaves now anyways.

Also, these plants have shoots from the bottom grown all the way to the top of the main cola now. No longer 'lower buds'

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First grow huh? And you want to know where to read about chemical defoliants huh? Oh boy.... Im going to be honest with ya. You need to do way more reading and listening than talking. These guys have all been doing this for a long time and know their stuff. If you want to make it around here you wont last long taking genuine help you recieve and throwing it back in someone's face. Everyone else except dr who was giving you shit about cutting the leaves off. He tried to learn you something youd be best off to appolgise and read the thread he found for you.

Dr. Who said:

What ever kid - lop'em off! Do what you like!

I only posted something helpful and I was polite!

You come back and say I'm ignorant?

YOU started the deluge with insult.....BTW, it's not 42 years of ego - it's 42 years of experience attempting to teach you something!

But no! YOUR right and all of your huge experience has trumped mine and about every QUALITY grow writer out there!

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Scroll up to above this post I quoted. I think we've had a misunderstanding.

NVGrower said:

Did you not see a the huge canopy of leaves on the plant? And the bud sites not being mushed anymore? It's not like o shaved the leaves off and only left room for buds. The reason I wrote this article is to promote foliage growth from other places instead of having 10 enormous leaves shading every other part of the plant. And since cutting the enormous leaves off they've turned into big bushes. They were not like that until I gave them new room to grow.

And it saved the back right plant from dying because it had struggled since a seed.

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I see a plant that is stringy and tall......Not "bushy".........Why in the world do you want the internode spacing far apart?

Good job on the save! You didn't have to remove leaves to do that.

BTW - increase the N your starting an N def. All plants.....see, I'm attempting to help - not insult, OK?

Other then the N issue. Your plant looks nice. It would have had a better yield with closer node spacing, understand?

The last guy NSW I think was his name said it was N Tox. Because the clippings were too dark. And it's a mystery seed bag grow. Plants look great. Leave my thread alone. The nodes were being crushed.

Took another look at the side shot, first post.

The leaf removal made the side shoots run to the light as it was not intense enough/too far away.
The plant did this in response to those big food factories being cut off....The plant did that to increase photosyth and food production.
Increase lighting and keep it as close as you can and if your going to run 4' plants you'll get a nice yield.....If you are going to flip soon - like less then 2 weeks.....You hurt your self on yield quality/plant potential.

NVGrower said:

The last guy NSW I think was his name said it was N Tox. Because the clippings were too dark. And it's a mystery seed bag grow. Plants look great. Leave my thread alone. The nodes were being crushed.

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Slight N def starting is real. The new growth and moving down the plant part way is light green leaf structure. Lighter at the new growth - sure sign of N def..

No such thing as "crushed nodes".

Leaving is now ignoring ,,,,,,

If you're planning another grow and haven't any seed(s) I'd suggest that you take a viable snip for a clone before you bud this one.A dual 4' florescent 34wx2 daylight tubes would hold the cloned snip until you're done with this one.

I wouldn't worry so much. Once you got a snip off the little one and once it's rooted properly it will take off properly. Those tubes will hold both of them(snips), like I said. I don't see any signs of lockout on your plants, as yet.

I've snipped off countless fan leaves without regret, and tipped a lot of plants. Any bud sight that doesn't get direct lighting will not develop properly and will be a lime green.

After a shoot has started and has developed fans of its own the fan on the main stalk of the plant has IMO done its job and can be safely removed without any harm to production.

In my grow-op nothing gets touched until it has too. I don't top the snips I intend to bud. I have learned to clean the moms so they don't get clumps of dead leaves piled in the middle of them, etc.

NVGrower said:

That's ignorant. All parts of the plants absorb light and the more light the buds absorb the better. All light absorbed make photosynthesis happen. I have more leave coverage after chopping the head sized fan leaves now anyways.

Also, these plants have shoots from the bottom grown all the way to the top of the main cola now. No longer 'lower buds'

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You are passing on solid advice and calling it ignorant.

Leave it to stoners to think they know better than the plant thats been surviving and replicating itself in some of the most inhospitable locales in the world for millions of years.Leaves have a purpose...to grow budsites,thats this plants whole agenda here...to create as many seeds as possible.If it didnt need leaves in veg,it wouldnt grow them,get your head out of your ass.Maybe after a few million years of being mutilated by noobs in an amazon grow tent we will reverse all those years of evolution,but I wouldnt be holding my breath.

Please show some pics next time of the defoilated plant and not just the miraculous recovery...because as it stands,this thread doesn't prove a damn thing,except to extend veg time .I want to see a bare stem with one fucking leaf on top.Then see how long it takes for the plant to fix the problem you caused that set it back.

NVGrower said:

That's ignorant. All parts of the plants absorb light and the more light the buds absorb the better. All light absorbed make photosynthesis happen. I have more leave coverage after chopping the head sized fan leaves now anyways.

Also, these plants have shoots from the bottom grown all the way to the top of the main cola now. No longer 'lower buds'

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If you haven't noticed I've been sarcastic. Look around you. How many plants do you cut the leaves off? The bud is the fruit. You wouldn't hack the leaves off your vegetable garden. Why do it to cannabis.

I'm talking with in reason. Like cutting suckers off corn or occasional pruning on trees and other plants.

The fact is to grow anything for money, you don't hack the leaves off. Vegetables, fruit, flowers, and cannabis.

Someone said you would get a botany or horticultural lecture and answers from books.

Ummmm, yea. Duh. I mean I don't care what you claim but its botany 101.

Cannabis is not a magic plant that needs magic things to grow.

Plants need leaves to process sun light. A tomato plant doesn't use tomatoes for photosynthesis, it uses leaves same as cannabis.

Now the only way to know for sure or to prove anything would be to grow two clones. Identical to each other and cut the leaves on one and not the other. You would need to use a few different strains and do it a few times each one.

You can't jump off a building and fly because you don't believe in gravity.

I think people read the title of my post and jump to conclusion thinking I made the plants bald. The green is new growth that becomes darker green. A bunch of haters.

NVGrower said:

Cut all the big fan leaves off hoping to stunt them so they didn't grow 5 feet tall. After cutting all the fan leaves (I was told to bend them down) the shoots have gone nuts and now have full canopy of leaves and the bud sites are all now growing.

Using a 250 HPS the light wasn't penetrating any of the shoots. The big fan leaves covered them up.

They're still growing about a foot per week. It's near the end of the first week and 2 grew 11in and one that has always struggled started past 13" from 7" the two main ones are about 2 feet tall now.

Just wanted to share with my results.

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Alternatively you could try pinching the tops of your plants to stop upward growth. Just go about 4-6" below the tops and slightly pinch the stem. This will cause the upward growth to slow while the plant heals. I don't mean snap the tops either. It takes a light touch but will save you from stretchy plants. Or use this pinch technique to keep your canopy even.

One day you might come across PGR. Using this type of chemical is an advanced technique to keep plants at the height you choose. I highly recommend you do research on PGR before using it if you go that route.

Do not go stripping fan leaves off your plant randomly. Leaves are your solar panels bro. Every pluck of a leaf should be done with care and purpose. Let me brake it down for you cause no one ever did this for me.

Exactly one week after you flip 12-12 you are to mani the bottom 1/3 of your plant. Strip away all leaf and smal shoots. You can also pluck any dead leaves in the canopy. If you see a main shoot that is questionable height leave it for another week or so. You should also be putting on your first set of nets at this point.

Weeks 1-3 you should be cleaning up the lower section of your plant as you see leaves droop and trimming off tiny shoots that will never get light in the lower canopy. As the plant grows you follow the trim keeping that 1/3 off the bottom.

Around week 4-6 you will selectively pick leaves off from the guts of your plants to insure proper airflow thru the canopy. Your second set of nets should be done at the beggining of week 4. You can go to week 5 but don't let those girls get away from you. Putting nets on to late will bust a lot of tops. That's bad.

Weeks 7-8 you will want to start lightly thinning out the canopy removing large fan leaves that are blocking nugs from light. This will get your premature nugs to harden and ripen up in your final days.

These steps will help increase your weight big time. One of the biggest secrets to high yields is how you manicure and prune your plants.

Good luck