DaGambler's 4k HPS 99 Plant Hempy Grow

thanks guys. i think ur hearts are in the right places

que sera, sera. What will be, will be. There's always next time. May end up running 1/2 ebb 'n flow vs. 1/2 "mpb style" dwc soon enough. Just leave me my freedom and i'll keep trying until something works right, or right enough, damn't

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good things!will the next one be available to our eyes?
thanks again, +rep PEACE!

shnkrmn said:

Apology accepted.

I'm gonna post now like gambler isn't here and will never read this (he will). I was disappointed he didn't give ebb and flow a fair shake. He started out in hempy and realized the scale he wanted wasn't there. That's where I'm at right now, too. He made a good run at E&F (God knows he has energy to burn) but didn't get to his goal out of THAT, but, as has been said, dialed in it's a great yielder. I personally would have stuck with that for a few more cycles, changing media and containers and stuff to make it work better, not fling it aside and go for a new and not very widely known method. Even if some newbies are pulling huge weight out of it, it's a system with a steep learning curve and built-in mistakes to make. Plus a considerable downstroke on startup.

Like you said, meds, he is well into it now, nowhere to go but forward. I never meant to stomp on it. Personally, I'm hoping to see a monster tree grow. gambler deserves it just on the grounds that he's worked so hard and he's a hella nice guy

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Oregon, I took no offense and I am one of the "ignorant" (that word has a negative connotation, but it's correct to describe my knowledge of the system you're discussing).

That being said, it's my thorough belief that horizontal systems are, by and large, fairly interchangeable with each other (DWC=aero=E&F, with <5% differences at most between them, assuming all else equal).

Now going off of that premise (which may or may not be correct, but I believe it is), I think it makes much, much, much more sense to stick with one of those systems until dialed in, rather then change to a new/gimmicky system which may or may not work, and for which there are not many people who are knowledgeable and able to be queried about issues.

You say noobs are pulling massive weight off of this system, but think about it - would a noob really know how to construct a system like this, let alone grow well in it? Without knowing anything about it, sounds more like a noob has offered up floor space to a vet, the vet builds the system, helps the noob monitor it and grow, and then voila, a noob has "pulled massive yields".

Long story short (too late for that), whatever issues he's having with getting the yields he wants isn't gonna be fixed by installing a new system - he needs to iron that out first, IMO.

I honestly think that switching to hydroton will increase his yield by >25% right off the bat.

Do something else and get +10%, etc., and then you're rocking and rolling with a simple, repeatable system.

Not horizontal bro..



Whatever you do I don't suggest doing half and half like you said or this with horizontal lights, just for the record. There would be no point really you'd never get a fair comparison.

OregonMeds said:

Not horizontal bro..

Whatever you do I don't suggest doing half and half like you said or this with horizontal lights, just for the record. There would be no point, grams per watt only goes down the fewer plants you do with this style.

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Oh, gotcha..............so this is the 44lbs. off of ten 1K system, or some numbers to that effect?

If so, I saw a post (forget where, because I'm a stoner) where someone pretty thoroughly poked some serious holes in it; regardless, it seems kinda cool, but again, I'd figure out my horizontal issues first before switching up to an aggressive vertical system.

Just me, but everyone's different.

I love those pics.

I have been looking at the MPB buckets, they look sweet. Doubles look real heavy duty.....

I'm setting up a small 4 plant grow with them. We'll see how it goes...

It's not really a new or untested method of growing, it's just a combination of all the best of every style. The same method was used before with 5 gallon buckets and a larger air pump, but dd replaced the extra air with more water flow and more root space. Root space limits plant size, simple as that. This runs as much drip and aeroponic as it does dwc and to a degree NFT as well. The aero aspect comes from the way the pond size pump spits water up above the relatively low water line and all over the inside of the tubs, the NFT is the water movement from the pumps and the low water level in the bin, the drip is obvious just to start them (some would call it bubbleponics) which is turned off after they start and of course it's sort of dwc too.

Sweet sweet mix, can't resist trying it... And with it all connected to a chiller root rot and funk and whatever shouldn't be too much of an issue, just have to maintain the ideal water temp and not contaminate the system and flush once and follow all the directions. Fingers crossed...

It is by no means for everyone though, and there's a lot that can go wrong.

Too bad you didn't hit your target Gambler but I'm certain you will.

Here's an interesting read for the adventurous among

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416

Good luck next round...

Chong89 said:

Too bad you didn't hit your target Gambler but I'm certain you will.

Here's an interesting read for the adventurous among

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416

Good luck next round...

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damn man that was cool

Rotary is nice, but it's just not a legal option for most people. Tree grows like this allow us medical patients to stay legal within our small limited plant counts and still yield big numbers.

OregonMeds said:

Rotary is nice, but it's just not a legal option for most people. Tree grows like this allow us medical patients to stay legal within our small limited plant counts and still yield big numbers.

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Agreed, and the % increase in efficiency doesn't make up for the added headaches, IMO.

Although a rotary SCROG/FIM type deal with low plant numbers and high cola numbers could be kinda interesting.

OregonMeds said:

Rotary is nice, but it's just not a legal option for most people. Tree grows like this allow us medical patients to stay legal within our small limited plant counts and still yield big numbers.

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Yeah...The whole unit looks intimidating and full of unnecessary problems for a simple guy like myself. Cool to look and read about but in reality I'm certain there's many a problem associated with rotory units.

Gambler...If it's proper grow journal etiquette I'd like to ask a couple questions.

1] I think I've read every post on this thread but don't recall seeing you state what you thought of the G-13. I'm primarily concerned about the potency/high but growth characteristics are important as well. [Ease/speed of growth.]

2] I read you used an ozone generator for odor. Did that eliminate ALL the odor from your room by itself or did you need carbon filters as a supplement?

Chong89 said:

1] I think I've read every post on this thread but don't recall seeing you state what you thought of the G-13. I'm primarily concerned about the potency/high but growth characteristics are important as well. [Ease/speed of growth.]

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Happy to answer any and all questions, bro. Even if i have to just make up an answer

Sensi's G13 x Hash Plant: Takes about 9 full weeks to flower... slow to put on 'hair' at first... but then picks up after a couple of weeks... Yields well. Excellent medicinal value. (Pure indica with somewhere around 20% t.h.c., possibly more.) Takes a few minutes for the full effects to start hitting (unlike sativas). Very long lasting high. (4-5 hours or so.) Can yellow a bit when cloning if everything isn't ideal, but it pulls through well enough - the percentage of survivors no less than other clone stock. Columnar growth pattern... leans heavily toward a single top heavy cola. My only complaint: a real pain in the ass to manicure (this) pure indica; can be quite leafy. A very meditative high. My favorite smoke. Such a pain to manicure however that i am trying to shift toward growing only hybrids of this plant with some of the other genetics that i have going. Uses lots of nutes, comparitively speaking. Will not burn easily (nutes), but will stall in growth if things aren't right. A bit more susceptible to mold problems than some varieties so keeping humidity in check late in flower is very important.

Chong89 said:

2] I read you used an ozone generator for odor. Did that eliminate ALL the odor from your room by itself or did you need carbon filters as a supplement?

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Funny you ask. I was thinking just today about how i need to add a good carbon filter to the main room exhaust... and a couple smaller ones to the ducted lights (which also pull directly from the room - seasonally). Ozone generators work very well... but not continuously. Using both would be more ideal. Ozone even extends the life of the carbon i hear. Better safe than sorry.
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The first pic is some Durban Poison i'm currently harvesting.

The second pic is Sensi's G13 x Hash Plant (Mr. Nice). The blue spray paint indicates some stretching mid-flower. I waited for the plants to "tell me" they were hungry before doing a rez change (note to lazy self: rez change every 2 weeks. period.) the durban actually started to show Calcium deficiency ... followed by nute burn as i jacked them with some 1400 ppm at rez changeover. the White Russian and Mr. Nice never showed deficiencies ... they just stalled in growth. When this happens in flower its almost like you trip a 'suicide switch'... the plants can't get what they need so they try to 'finish' as quickly as possible. Intentionally left the lights on for about 3 days straight when i realized they were stalled out from nute deficiencies. This isn't ideal, by any stretch. But it seemed to help to restart the flowering process on those two varieties. Durban was too far along to be affected by the light disruption. So far (knock on finger-crossed wood) i've been very happy with the yield from the durbans. I've got 24 of those and am deffinitely getting more than 2 oz. average at this point. If the other two varieties yielded as well (also 24 plants total) i'd at least pull 96 oz. For me, without co2, i could live with that. I still don't know what i'll avg. on those other two varieties... but it gives me hope that i might eventually see the yields i would like after switching to a different media a couple of weeks from now.

- DaGambler
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DaGambler said:

Funny you ask. I was thinking just today about how i need to add a good carbon filter to the main room exhaust... and a couple smaller ones to the ducted lights (which also pull directly from the room - seasonally). Ozone generators work very well... but not continuously. Using both would be more ideal. Ozone even extends the life of the carbon i hear. Better safe than sorry.
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Yeah, I just had to order the CAP 5500 ozone yesterday, after having bought the Ozn Jr. about a month ago - can't be too careful when it comes to odor.

I waited for the plants to "tell me" they were hungry before doing a rez change (note to lazy self: rez change every 2 weeks. period.)

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Lol, been there, done that - haven't changed my res since the first week of November, and I'm never doing this again.

Two weeks religiously from here on out.

Thanks for the detailed response. To my knowledge I've never had G13 or any hybrid thereof. Under unbelieveable circumstances I just met a dude with 40 of ''The Best'' strains available. I got some clones of my favorites including every strain under the ''White family'', Northern LightsNYC Deisel, Jack Herer, Durban and Ice. G13 is on the list of available strains along with some other legendary strains. Originally I intended to chose only one between Juicy Fruit and G13 but I think I'm going to go with both.

I have to stop reading this thread, watching your videos and stop asking questions....You're a bad influence on me! Initially I was content starting a little closet with 1-4 plants using a little 400 watt HPS. That was a month or so ago. Today I have 2x1000watt digital HPS's ,a 400 halide and am ready to set up a 10'x10' room and now use the 400 HPS as a night light!

I actually thought I was going to do something with a 400. The instant I turned the one 1000 watter on I was sold on the 1000's and will not even consider trying a 400. I had the one light on and inside of 4 hours the buds had almost doubled in size! I just threw a bag seed grow together just to see what would happen indoors. I'm now in about the 6th week of flower with thumbnail-sized colas. Had I used a 1000 from the start I'd probably be done by now with 4x the yield.

ladies lookin very hairy with pistils DG. u thinkin of adding c02 ur next round as well as a medium change? u mentioned ud be happy with this big of a yield and not even using c02. jw

Medium Change .

Where yah headed now?

Not DWC I hope, ..... lol .... Im just playing bro. If you have the time and money, I think DWC COULD work for you fairly well. But I think if you might go some other routes, and execute one of the most sacred of growing principles, Patients Pays , you would be even more greatly rewarded . Have you thought of Coco?

theloadeddragon said:

Medium Change .

Where yah headed now?

Not DWC I hope, ..... lol .... Im just playing bro. If you have the time and money, I think DWC COULD work for you fairly well. But I think if you might go some other routes, and execute one of the most sacred of growing principles, Patients Pays , you would be even more greatly rewarded . Have you thought of Coco?

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I'm trying to beat him over the head with hydroton - for how shitty his medium is right now (perlite in an E&F that's only getting watered once or twice a week), flooding hydroton in E&F 6 or 7 times a day will increase his yield substantially.