Deficiency or toxicity

BongerChonger

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I use coco in my soil but it’s still not the same as the soil it’s in it helps with water retention and adds support for the soil why are we arguing this Jesus do what you like buddy if you want to grow in living soil and wash your shit away then by all means do so if you want to grow in living soil the right way and not wash all your stuff out then do that idc it’s your grow not mine. If you think soil and coco are the same good for you there are people on here arguing about a flat earth so it’s not surprising to hear what your spitting out.
It has the same properties required to grow a plant.
 

PadawanWarrior

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I use coco in my soil but it’s still not the same as the soil it’s in it helps with water retention and adds support for the soil why are we arguing this Jesus do what you like buddy if you want to grow in living soil and wash your shit away then by all means do so if you want to grow in living soil the right way and not wash all your stuff out then do that idc it’s your grow not mine. If you think soil and coco are the same good for you there are people on here arguing about a flat earth so it’s not surprising to hear what your spitting out.
What? It's not flat? Says who?
 

Hiphophippo

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anyway so u think its potassium deficiency? Dude u read about what ive gave them in the past few weeks?
yes I read what you gave themthe last few weeks I didn’t say you have a deficiency I said your plants looked fine to keep up the k and nitrogen through the grow I noticed your yellowing tips is all.
 

BongerChonger

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Know how many microbes are in your soil at any1time...an unfathomable amount. A few mL of water out the bottom is so insignificant. There will be more microbes in your soil half an our later than before you watered.
 

Hiphophippo

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It has the same properties required to grow a plant.
Yes we agreed on that but you stated you need to have runoff in soil as you do in coco and that’s not true unless you are running salt based nutes which they aren’t so there for it wouldn’t require it like coco nobody’s arguing about the growing abilities just whether or not you need to have runoff the same which you don’t but hey what do I know only been growing In organic homemade living soils since the early 00 years. Took a break to goto Iraq and learn a few things but not much just that people over there are just as stupid as the ones here.
 

BongerChonger

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Yes we agreed on that but you stated you need to have runoff in soil as you do in coco and that’s not true unless you are running salt based nutes which they aren’t so there for it wouldn’t require it like coco nobody’s arguing about the growing abilities just whether or not you need to have runoff the same which you don’t but hey what do I know only been growing In organic homemade living soils since the early 00 years. Took a break to goto Iraq and learn a few things but not much just that people over there are just as stupid as the ones here.
Look man. It is a fact and it's good watering practice.
The same way mineral deposits are created in the soil horizon is effectively the same thing happening in pots of soil that don't drain. (it's chronic overwatering)

All those silts and minerals (salts) have to go somewhere. Otherwise you run into compaction problems and toxic amounts of micro nutrients in the soil.
It's what the plant isn't using at all and doesn't need, just building up overtime that becomes a problem.
In the field it's mostly the reason for cover crops and crop rotations. Huge problems for large areas of flat land.

I'm not saying it happens overnight. But it will happen and a lot sooner than people think.
 

Hiphophippo

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Look man. It is a fact and it's good watering practice.
The same way mineral deposits are created in the soil horizon is effectively the same thing happening in pots of soil that don't drain. (it's chronic overwatering)

All those silts and minerals (salts) have to go somewhere. Otherwise you run into compaction problems and toxic amounts of micro nutrients in the soil.
It's what the plant isn't using at all and doesn't need, just building up overtime that becomes a problem.
In the field it's mostly the reason for cover crops and crop rotations. Huge problems for large areas of flat land.

I'm not saying it happens overnight. But it will happen and a lot sooner than people think.
You should be using a cover crop in living soil yes to uptake what isn’t used by the main plant that I agree with. But again the runoff thing is a thing to be argued some will swear by it in all mediums some will swear against it it’s a matter of how you grow and what works for you the best I’ve used the same soils for many years at a time with no runoff to be had and have had no issues but Im not everybody and every bodies not me we all have different things we do to get that end result. I don’t do the runoff in my living soil nor do I recommend it doesnt mean I’m right but it doesn’t mean I’m wrong either have a good night guys may all your grows be bountiful either way you do it.
 

BongerChonger

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I didn't know you could ignore yourself. That's interesting.
And maybe if you put some aeration in that suffocating, compacted to shit no-till soil, you think you know so much about, but keep running into problems and blaming calcium carbonate in your water, your future grows might get better. :p
 

Hiphophippo

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Looking nice there. I am super excited I’ll have to post some pictures later but I had some stuff come out so purple this time it’s like neon purple.
 

BongerChonger

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Oh wow. I thought I was gonna leave this conversation but things just turned a whole new corner. Could we see some pics of your grow just for reference bonger chonger
The next-time you troll know-it-all's run out of intelligent things to say, then resort to juvenile games and challenges instead, maybe you should brush up on basic horticulture yourselves, instead of suggesting others do so.


"Reusing Container Media
When reusing container media from year to year, organic matter breaks down and decomposes, causing a decrease in the size of particles and pore space, resulting in reduced drainage and aeration. Emptying out the container mix, breaking up the material and any old roots, and re-blending keep the media from getting too compacted. Because many of the nutrients are used by plants or leached out during the previous growing season, add additional media, compost, and fertilizer."

"Frequency

the plant should be watered. At the other extreme, avoid overwatering, as the water fills all of the pore space in the potting mix and the roots are unable to get enough oxygen. Water only when needed, and water pots until the water starts to come out the bottom of the container.
This prevents root rot, prevents a buildup of salts that would occur"

"Potting Mixes, Substrates, or Growing Media
Skip to Potting Mixes, Substrates, or Growing Media
The potting “soil” used to grow container plants is really not soil at all. True soils are field soils that often retain too much water, have too little pore space (for oxygen), are too heavy. Because of these drawbacks, field soils are no longer used for growing plants in containers''

Is university material ok? As I said, I implore you to do yourself the favour and prove me wrong.

You're on ignore too, have a great life. :p
 

PadawanWarrior

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The next-time you troll know-it-all's run out of intelligent things to say, then resort to juvenile games and challenges instead, maybe you should brush up on basic horticulture yourselves, instead of suggesting others do so.


"Reusing Container Media
When reusing container media from year to year, organic matter breaks down and decomposes, causing a decrease in the size of particles and pore space, resulting in reduced drainage and aeration. Emptying out the container mix, breaking up the material and any old roots, and re-blending keep the media from getting too compacted. Because many of the nutrients are used by plants or leached out during the previous growing season, add additional media, compost, and fertilizer."

"Frequency

the plant should be watered. At the other extreme, avoid overwatering, as the water fills all of the pore space in the potting mix and the roots are unable to get enough oxygen. Water only when needed, and water pots until the water starts to come out the bottom of the container.
This prevents root rot, prevents a buildup of salts that would occur"

"Potting Mixes, Substrates, or Growing Media
Skip to Potting Mixes, Substrates, or Growing Media
The potting “soil” used to grow container plants is really not soil at all. True soils are field soils that often retain too much water, have too little pore space (for oxygen), are too heavy. Because of these drawbacks, field soils are no longer used for growing plants in containers''

Is university material ok? As I said, I implore you to do yourself the favour and prove me wrong.

You're on ignore too, have a great life. :p
You talk a lot. Show us your organic soil plants. Or anything you've got growing.
 
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