defoliation question..... anyone familiar with it?

Slab said:
You can put a bare 600watt that close, even 9-6 inches. With a cool tube 4-6 inches away is right.
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Get a light meter. At 4-6" away with the usual conventional hood that is more light than the sun and will bleach (destroy) those top leaves as yellow as a canary. See my sig. A bare bulb less but the bottom line is, you can give a plant too much light.

UB
 

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Uncle Ben said:
Get a light meter. At 4-6" away with the usual conventional hood that is more light than the sun and will bleach (destroy) those top leaves as yellow as a canary. See my sig. A bare bulb less but the bottom line is, you can give a plant too much light.

UB
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No hood Uncle Ben, vertical mounted bulb.did get a couple of leaves that touched the tube have some bleaching.

125k lumen bulb, brand new. Perhaps the hood causes the. hot spots

I have experienced the bleaching you speak of, with hooded 600's and different strains.

they were 9 weeks strains. Not sure if it is because the short amount of time this plant flowers .

I wil get a meter and get a reading ASAP.
 
Also, I came across your post about heat and water stress, a couple of weeks back when I did a search.

it was posted in 2005, the bug infestation part scared the crap out of me at first glance, lol.
 
hang it to dry, wait a couple of days. " let's not start sucking each others cocks just yet"

like a padded push up bra at this point.
 
Slab said:
hang it to dry, wait a couple of days. " let's not start sucking each others cocks just yet"

like a padded push up bra at this point.
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Ya I'm taking the bra off they are getting defoliated again tomorrow I still have lot's of time for them to finish.
Is that the best you could come up with cocksucking you are as imature as you are slow.
Get over it defoliantion is a very good traing metod but you can't see past the leaves.
 
It already 31 pages of replyies but here's my 2 cents: the leaves seem to help the plant pull more water up to the plant with capillary action. I think the buds I have seen with leaves pulled out looked smaller then other, lower buds on the same plant. I think removing leaves has a time and place, maybe one time in stretch, and then right before harvest. But should be done to help the plant not just to remove leaves lol
 
Bud Brewer said:
Ya I'm taking the bra off they are getting defoliated again tomorrow I still have lot's of time for them to finish.
Is that the best you could come up with cocksucking you are as imature as you are slow.
Get over it defoliantion is a very good traing metod but you can't see past the leaves.
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You start butchering it again and you're just asking for trouble. You have a lot of fan leaves which along with excellent genetics and your fine horticultural skills has gotten you great results, so far. It's not over until the fat lady sings. It's obvious you understand the art of fine tuning ALL cultural factors, but, I just don't understand why you don't understand the function of a leaf. All factors considered the primary reason you got to where you are today is because of the abundance of healthy fan leaves.

Defoilation has nothing to do with training. "Training" is my 4 main cola topping method or training a grapevine to a permanent VSP, vertical shoot positioning, the most popular training method used here in Texas and California as an example.

Pluck away,
UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
I'm thinking he had some great genetics, just like my avatar which was Positronics Jack Herer. I'd like to see him come up with that with O. Haze.
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The guy I got the clones from got half of this in hydro with three plants they were about three feet but not as full as one of mine it would need to cram all three together to equal the mass of one.


Jack Is a sativa hybrid like this but the plant in my first beginning pictures wouldn't have filled out without defoliation.
I know you can't understand that removing leaves forces branches to grow.
 
Bud Brewer said:
Ya I'm taking the bra off they are getting defoliated again tomorrow I still have lot's of time for them to finish.
Is that the best you could come up with cocksucking you are as imature as you are slow.
Get over it defoliantion is a very good traing metod but you can't see past the leaves.
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other people do fine without it, better than fine. you are taking credit that you shouldn't , that makes you a fraud. the haze brothers brought us these genetics.
 
Bud Brewer said:
The guy I got the clones from got half of this in hydro with three plants they were about three feet but not as full as one of mine it would need to cram all three together to equal the mass of one.


Jack Is a sativa hybrid like this but the plant in my first beginning pictures wouldn't have filled out without defoliation.
I know you can't understand that removing leaves forces branches to grow.
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I know what and why every plant response happens based on a certain action as I'm a veteran gardener and current commercial niche farmer. I'm just not in the camp of removing a productive leaf so I can watch another take its place. I find that practice stupid and only sets the plant back. Been there, done that.

Again, you hit on good genetics and want to attribute your success, so far, to defoilation. I'm raising the bullshit flag. But if you want to stop a good thing, then pluck away. It's your garden.

Speaking of Jack Herer. It's an old cross first done by Positronics and if memory serves me correct it was Northern Lights by Skunk #1, mostly indica. I've been growing a long time, and that avatar was one of my first and the cola was literally stone hard with bud turning into bud growing into itself - no defoilation of course. Here's the OLD original scan from a shitty polaroid camera. (Anyone old enough to remember Polaroid cameras?)

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Boy, here's another oldie. Think this one was Sensi Skunk. That too had some fat colas and fat lower buds. HPS from start to finish too.

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UB
 
Raisin' the bullshit flag again..

Bud Brewer said:
Jack Is a sativa hybrid like this but the plant in my first beginning pictures wouldn't have filled out without defoliation.
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That's a feeling not a fact. You didn't run a control group, right? Nah sah.....so how in the hell do you know what it would have done since you didn't have a control group and adhered to standard testing operatives?

UB
 
Uncle Ben said:
I'm thinking he had some great genetics, just like my avatar which was Positronics Jack Herer. I'd like to see him come up with that with O. Haze.
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Every plant yield has to do with genetics, just like all your posts trying to prove how awesome your growing is. It's all genetics, how you control your plant to suit your growing environment and maximize your potential yield is up to the grower.
 
sheik yerbouti said:
Every plant yield has to do with genetics, just like all your posts trying to prove how awesome your growing is. It's all genetics, how you control your plant to suit your growing environment and maximize your potential yield is up to the grower.
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Do I hear an echo? :-P
 
sheik yerbouti said:
Every plant yield has to do with genetics, just like all your posts trying to prove how awesome your growing is. It's all genetics, how you control your plant to suit your growing environment and maximize your potential yield is up to the grower.
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It is genetics. You want FAT colas, I mean like 16" across? Here's a plant that had a pure sativa phenotype (weak stems, airy colas) pruned to 4 main colas. In spite of being staked, the colas were so heavy they bent over to the ground.

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Uncle Ben said:
It is genetics. You want FAT colas, I mean like 16" across? Here's a plant that had a pure sativa phenotype (weak stems, airy colas) pruned to 4 main colas. In spite of being staked, the colas were so heavy they bent over to the ground.

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Ok, What's your point? You can grow nice buds too, but those are outside with no space limitations. Shows me I really think your missing the point Ben, of course fan leaves produce energy for the plant. Every person who defoliates understands that. The point is that, when properly done it is another way to control your plants, it's not a magical way of producing big buds but when you have a limited growing space your plants will reach their maximum height in x amount of time. If you slow that x amount of time down then your plant will be more mature, and have a larger root mass and more branching to support more bud growth. There are other ways of doing this ie topping, kushman style pruning or varying with day/night temps. Defoliating is another way of getting more out of a limited space. That's one of the advantages for defoliation anyway.

Make any sense?
 
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