DIFF's Indoor Grow Journal

Nice, glad to hear. Can't wait until you pick up your new foto camera. I hear superthrive is great for these situations and that its a great follar feeding option.

sirsmoksalot said:

Nice, glad to hear. Can't wait until you pick up your new foto camera. I hear superthrive is great for these situations and that its a great follar feeding option.

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Yeah i know, camera phone just doesn't cut it... I'll be visiting the local hydro store 2mor to grab some Superthrive, new soil and probably some fox farms nutrients..

Day 16

Plants seem to be under a bit of heat stress... Not real bad, but I went on ahead and shut the light off this morning.. I'll be leaving it off for 6 hours a day..

Plan to do this for a week and see where i'm at.. Probably go 2 weeks w/ the 18/6 and then flower... The largest plant is 7 inches tall, so I should be within a reasonable/manageable height after 2 more weeks of veg..

I read somewhere last night that a plant will create it's own rest period even when it's under 24/7 light indoors.. If that's the case, then hell, the extra 6 hours of light isn't worth the $$$ it costs to run it.. lol

Day 17

second day of the babies receiving 6 hours of dark... Half of them were drooping right before the lights switched off.. I read that's somewhat normal as the plant is going to sleep, knowing that it was going to get darkness @ 7:30am...

5th node is deveolping well on 4 of the plants, while one is a bit behind w/ it's 4th node.. The problem plant has 4 nodes as well, but it's hanging on by a limb i believe..

I've done enough research and have decided on my repotting materials..

Soil - Fox Farms Ocean Forrest
Veg Nute - Fox Farms Grow Big
Flow Nute - Fox Farms Big Bloom

I will be purchasing some 5 gallon buckets today, as well as the above listed soil and nutrients.. I will be doing the transplants either today or 2mor.. Hopefully I will see some increase in lower leaf color.. That MG soil just seems to be messing w/ them when the soil gets watered... NEVER AGAIN!

Due to unknown results, I have recently germinated 6 more bagseeds, all now in soil and under 2 4' flouresents.. Didn't want to wait until I run into serious problems w/ my first batch to plant some more.. This way, if some of my 17 day olds die or turn male, i've got something to fall back on...

Still just got the cell for pics.. Meant to take a picture before lights switched off, but wasn't fast enough.. lol

here's a pic of my best looking baby @ 17 days old, just woke up after 6 hours of rest...

edit: wow.. pic is horrible..

TheDifferenceX said:

here's a pic of my best looking baby @ 17 days old, just woke up after 6 hours of rest...

edit: wow.. pic is horrible..

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Shitty pic but looks really healthy!

Day 18

Hopefully a good day in the long run for my plants.. The problem plant is dieing, so hopefully the measures i took today revive it..

I purchased 3 bags of Fox Farms Ocean Forrest mix, along w/ 6 3 gallon pots w/ holes in the bottom.. They were on sale for $1, so i figured why not.. Depending on how things go, I may go 5 gallon next time.. Anyways, i also got the Fox Farms Big Bloom and Fox Farms Grow Big.. As well as a better timer, as my current one is somewhat questionable.. Guy working the store gave me a 15% discount, so I got all that for $93... I was pretty stoked.. So much that i forgot about getting some sort of pan to hold the run off.. lol

Anyways.. I repotted all 6 into the 3 gallon pots filled w/ FFOF soil.. Unfortunantly the Miracle Grow potting soil had to go in the pot w/ it, but there was nothing else I could do.. I wish I had a good camera, because these babies had some good roots established, and were ready for a bigger pot.. I buried there stems some in the soil, getting them all about the same height..

I used 1 gallon of water and mixed less than 1/2 a teaspoon of the FF Grow Big.. The recommended mixing for regular watering was 1 teaspon per gallon of water.. Where as the "HydroFarm" book the guy at the store gave me recommends 3 teaspoons per gallon on week 3 w/ 18 hours of light.. I def. didn't want to mix this much into the water, being as this was the first time i actually fed them any nutrients..

I used the entire gallon of water on the 6 pots, and it seemed to get them fairly moist, there was runoff.. I'm not sure if they need more than that, but the MG soil was fairly moist when i transplanted, so by me watering the outside rim of the pot, not flooding the center, I think it probably covered most the soil... Not sure though, could use some recommendations..

I guess i'll be looking in on them the next 24 hours for signs of anything wrong.. As mentioned before, hopefully the problem plant revives itself..

They're on Day 3 of 18/6 lighting, and seem to be enjoying the rest.. The get pretty droopy at 7am, just before the lights go off at 7:30... Due to the height of the plants, I will probably switch to 12/12 @ 28 days, which is 10 days away.. I will then use the FF Big Bloom during the beginning of flowering..

So, I guess my questions are.. Was 1/2 teaspoon of FF Grow Big enough? or should I have used 1, 2, even 3 teaspoons per gallon.. And was 1 gallon of water enough for all 6 plants in 3 gallon pots??.. I feel pretty comfortable w/ the moistness of the soil, but if I need to add more water please advise..

Almost forgot.. such an exciting day.. lol..

I moved to a diff location.. w/ intake and exhaust, temperature staying steady @ 75 degrees w/ humidity of 55-60%... Much improvement from the 80 ish and as low as 40% humidity... Babies should love the bigger pot, new soil, and better temperature/humidity...

TheDifferenceX said:

So, I guess my questions are.. Was 1/2 teaspoon of FF Grow Big enough? or should I have used 1, 2, even 3 teaspoons per gallon.. And was 1 gallon of water enough for all 6 plants in 3 gallon pots??.. I feel pretty comfortable w/ the moistness of the soil, but if I need to add more water please advise..

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Question #1 I would have done the same with the 1/2 strength on the first watering. Now remember keep a close eye on them in the next few days to a week and look for nute burn etc if its questionable flush them. to flush them you will need approx. 9 gallons of water PER POT!

Question #2 Not nerly enough. I can give my 4 girls in 3 gallon pots almost 5 gallons of water betwwen them. I start with a two liter pitcher and slowly pour the contents into the pot to flood the soil so to speak. Dont be shy. the first time you watered your soil you will get alot of run off. Once you give them a good drink lift a bucket plant up to see what the wet weight is. try and remember how it feels. with in 4-5 days you will need to water again. How big is your light?

All sounds good glad to hear everything is going well. Put a filter over your intake and be clean. I messed up a bit with that and am now littered with spidermites. I think I have it under control but wont know for some time.

Day 19

Plants just went into their 6 hour dark cycle.. This is their 4th day of that, and they really seem to be ready for the darkness when it comes close to that time.. The leaves get droopy, but within an hour of the lights coming back on, their back to normal..

I think the repot went well... But my gosh, that FFOF soil really has some stank to it!! lol.. The problem plant is still struggling.. Bottom two nodes the leaves are all curled up and on the brink of being dead.. I'll snip them off probably 2mor..

Plants A, B, C, @ D all are a either bushy and tall or a combination of both.. I think all 4 are in for the long haul..

Plant E is somewhat of a runt, it was doing well for the first 2 1/2 weeks, now it seems to be going downhill.. Plant F is the problem plant, and probably will be the first to go...

Soil seems pretty most, so i'll hold off on upping the ammount of water until the next watering.. I will probably water 2mor, adding 1/2 strength grow big again... I'm on the fence whether to feed nutes every other feeding, or feed twice and then straight water...

BTW, thanks for the input as always SirSmoke... I know it's lame w/o a camera to post daily progress, but hopefully i'll have one before the flowering stage is over.. lol

Your welcome. I would be no where with out the help of others. Stick to a feed, water, feed, water, etc... I would slowly go to full strength over the next 2 weeks.

sirsmoksalot said:

Your welcome. I would be no where with out the help of others. Stick to a feed, water, feed, water, etc... I would slowly go to full strength over the next 2 weeks.

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Yeah.. the 1/2 strength seemed to work well.. I've now got 3 plants total that are big, bushy and even greener than they were before the transplant.. No sign of nute burn, only leaf issue is the first two leaves that are a lighter color, but that's it..

The 4th plant that was in great condition before the transplant seems to be taking it a bite worse.. It was somewhat droopy this morning, so i had to add a layer of soil to get it to stand up straight.. Probably affected the roots.. It shows no sign of nute burn, and it's leaves are greener and nicer looking than before the transplant as well..

The other two are question marks.. I believe the damage was done w/ the MG soil to start.. I've tested pH, moisture, repotted, and even added the Grow Big during the repot.. Both have obvious problems w/ their first 2 sets of leaves.. The 3rd and 4th nodes are nice and green and seem to be taking the nute feeding pretty well.. Due to advice given on here, I will allow any leaves on those two to die on their own and fall off.. Hopefully the top portion of the plant will take to the repot, feeding and hopefully produce somewhat of a decent plant..

My original expectation was to grow 3 plants through the flowering process (females of course).. I know 4 will make it through the process w/o some unforseen setback.. Hopefully I can get 1 or 2 females out of the bunch and atleast go through the entire growing process to gain as much knowledge as possible going into my future grows..

On a side note... 2nd set of 6 plants (5 days old) are all growing at a similar pace and shape.. 1st set of leaves have formed and 2nd set is starting to grow on some.. They haven't been watered w/ tap anymore (pH here of 8 or so)... Distilled water tested w/ a pH of 6.5 to 7 max for them since sprout..

I'm really excited as I think i've done well keeping my original budget around $300 w/ a possible first yield of that ammount if everything goes OK or above that.. Plants seem to love the 250watt hps.. Once i reach flowering stage and sex, more than likely cutting my plant total in half atleast, the last weeks of the babies lives should be nice w/o the other half of the plants taking away from their light..

We'll see how this works out.. I will upgrade HPS wattage after 1st or 2nd grow hopefully... camera comes first though...

Haven't checked on them since I did when lights went on 5 hours ago... Off to check them out and smoke some decent mids til I hopefully get something of better quality... hehehe...

Day 20-21

Ok... I was looking back at my log i have, and these babies are actually 21 days old today, not 20... So they're 3 weeks old... I think i've done well to make it this far considering it's my first grow (edit: indoor)..

Let's start w/ plants A,B,C.. they 3 biggest, bushiest, greenest plants of the 6.. They have taken every stage thus far very well.. I cannot believe the difference this new soil and Fox Farms Grow Big feed made... They are filling in very nicely, w/ the leaves perking up even more and greener..

Plant D, which was one of the better looking plants, fell over a bit yesterday and still seems to have some root shock going on.. The leaves are little bit droopy, but this was right before lights off, so it's hard to say... They all are drooping when it gets close to lights off time...

That leaves me w/ plant E and F... Plant F is dead at the bottom.. bottom two sets of leaves have yellowed, curled, twisted, drooped, all that.. Weird thing is the top of it looks just fine.. Two nodes at the top are producing good green leaves w/ no signs of anything wrong... Plant E was the smallest of the 6 to begin w/ and appeared to be of a different strain than the other 5.. I almost thought it was an Indica, but it still resembles the other 5 (sativa's), just greener and smaller... This one was drooping yesterday, but it seemed to come back to life some overnight..

SirSmoke: I didn't add anymore water to them, as you said I didn't water enough, but i did mist the soil yesterday and today... The soil seems moist VIA the finger test, so I didn't want to add insult to injury after the repot, but I will probably give them water this afternoon... They are sleeping right now..

Here's a pic of them... Problem plant (F) is in top left corner.. Plant E, the small one, is at the bottom left..shot taken above, light looks really close.. it's around 15 inches away... best camera phone shot yet...

TheDifferenceX said:

Day 20-21

Ok... I was looking back at my log i have, and these babies are actually 21 days old today, not 20... So they're 3 weeks old... I think i've done well to make it this far considering it's my first grow (edit: indoor)..

Let's start w/ plants A,B,C.. they 3 biggest, bushiest, greenest plants of the 6.. They have taken every stage thus far very well.. I cannot believe the difference this new soil and Fox Farms Grow Big feed made... They are filling in very nicely, w/ the leaves perking up even more and greener..

Plant D, which was one of the better looking plants, fell over a bit yesterday and still seems to have some root shock going on.. The leaves are little bit droopy, but this was right before lights off, so it's hard to say... They all are drooping when it gets close to lights off time...

That leaves me w/ plant E and F... Plant F is dead at the bottom.. bottom two sets of leaves have yellowed, curled, twisted, drooped, all that.. Weird thing is the top of it looks just fine.. Two nodes at the top are producing good green leaves w/ no signs of anything wrong... Plant E was the smallest of the 6 to begin w/ and appeared to be of a different strain than the other 5.. I almost thought it was an Indica, but it still resembles the other 5 (sativa's), just greener and smaller... This one was drooping yesterday, but it seemed to come back to life some overnight..

SirSmoke: I didn't add anymore water to them, as you said I didn't water enough, but i did mist the soil yesterday and today... The soil seems moist VIA the finger test, so I didn't want to add insult to injury after the repot, but I will probably give them water this afternoon... They are sleeping right now..

Here's a pic of them... Problem plant (F) is in top left corner.. Plant E, the small one, is at the bottom left..shot taken above, light looks really close.. it's around 15 inches away... best camera phone shot yet...

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Alright a picture! Looks great. When you transplant they say you want to soak the soil as well when you water them too. I'm sure they will all grow nicly I had problems with 2 of mine the bottom leaves strated to die and now hey all look very nice. I do have a runt though. Great job and nice looking room/light

sirsmoksalot said:

Alright a picture! Looks great. When you transplant they say you want to soak the soil as well when you water them too. I'm sure they will all grow nicly I had problems with 2 of mine the bottom leaves strated to die and now hey all look very nice. I do have a runt though. Great job and nice looking room/light

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Yeah my problem plant wasn't able to revive the bottom two nodes.. all 4 leaves were yellow, brittle and curled up... I cut them all off, leaving the stem portion of it still remaining.. Read on numerous posts that you can just leave the stem portion and it will dry out eventually and fall off.. Looks like that baby is going to have just one main cola w/ some smaller ones if it survives..

Things are getting really exciting... On most the plants, where each node is at on the stem, there is little leaves forming right where the stems meet the main stalk... is this is a good thing? is it preflowering or what??

TheDifferenceX said:

Yeah my problem plant wasn't able to revive the bottom two nodes.. all 4 leaves were yellow, brittle and curled up... I cut them all off, leaving the stem portion of it still remaining.. Read on numerous posts that you can just leave the stem portion and it will dry out eventually and fall off.. Looks like that baby is going to have just one main cola w/ some smaller ones if it survives..

Things are getting really exciting... On most the plants, where each node is at on the stem, there is little leaves forming right where the stems meet the main stalk... is this is a good thing? is it preflowering or what??

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A picture would be nice but i'm sure its just normal growth.

sirsmoksalot said:

A picture would be nice but i'm sure its just normal growth.

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Yeah, i'll try to get a clear enough pic when they wake back up.. I checked on them before lights went out and they really look lush and green, even under the hps light..

Day 22

I feel pretty good today about everything... Able to relax a bit more now that i'm in some FFOF soil w/ some nutrients.. New growth and older growth that was green is all turning lusher and greener.. Some of the burnt leaves from the MG soil have been revived, although i did lose 4 leaves on the problem plant.. Other than that, all looks pretty good..

Light is good, soil is good, ph is good, temp/humidity is good... The only thing i'm worried about now is the spider mites.. Trying to learn from your experience sirsmoks... I'll probably go on ahead and snag whatevers needed just in case i get hit w/ them too...

Pleasantly suprised this morning when, after the lights being on for 18 hours straight, the temp in the room was only 79 degrees w/ a humidity of 50%... Highest i've seen it get was 86 degrees, but that was just before the intake fan was setup...

Maybe i'll name the babies sometime soon...

TheDifferenceX said:

Day 22

I feel pretty good today about everything... Able to relax a bit more now that i'm in some FFOF soil w/ some nutrients.. New growth and older growth that was green is all turning lusher and greener.. Some of the burnt leaves from the MG soil have been revived, although i did lose 4 leaves on the problem plant.. Other than that, all looks pretty good..

Light is good, soil is good, ph is good, temp/humidity is good... The only thing i'm worried about now is the spider mites.. Trying to learn from your experience sirsmoks... I'll probably go on ahead and snag whatevers needed just in case i get hit w/ them too...

Pleasantly suprised this morning when, after the lights being on for 18 hours straight, the temp in the room was only 79 degrees w/ a humidity of 50%... Highest i've seen it get was 86 degrees, but that was just before the intake fan was setup...

Maybe i'll name the babies sometime soon...

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Great job Diff. Spidermites and Thrips are fuckers!!! Look VERY hard and if you notice white flecks on your leaves its most likly mites. They live in your soil and home so put a filter over your intake to prevent them entering the room. Stock up on some Neem Oil, and ivory dish soap and 99.9% iso You will find different recipes to kill these bastards but what seems to work best form my research is to switch it up. I pray you dont have any bug problems. Also ladybugs are a great preditor that ddoesn't hurt the girls. They are all dead where I am now and I can't find a flower shop with them....

This is one of the better lookin' babies right after lights on... she's about about 11-12 inches tall if you count the inch or so of stem that i buried after repot..