I will find seeds from time to time usually no more than 1 or 2 in a pound or so I never worried about it and none has ever complained I must say they are looking pretty good. I have been working all day on setting up my closet should be done in a few hour's ( 30 minutes if I don't take smoke breaks lol) then Ill start up a grow journal in hopes they look as good as yours
DJ's LED medical grow
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wicked og
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Dam bro I'm impressed nice grow your both plants look great and this was just with one light ? Area 51 I have been searching for some led lights I really like the rusults your getting I'm in a 3x3 area would u reccomend one or maybe 2 of those lights?
Are those the ones on special summer sale? Going for like $530 ?
Are those the ones on special summer sale? Going for like $530 ?
prosperian
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Sorry to read about the hermie. One of my buddies had one a couple days ago, out of nowhere, sucks. He yanked her and made oil.
My plants are pretty tall compared to yours (39" - 60 day veg) even though I topped at the 2nd node, LST-ed, and SCROGed them, lol.
Loosing the umoles is never a good thing. I'm running 24" fluros on all four walls down below to help compensate.
At 10" from fixture, how are the bud tips holding up? Do you see any burning or leaf bleaching? I'm at 14" from the fixture and haven't seen any issues, yet.
You should be wrapping up pretty soon, nice work and I'm looking forward to seeing the harvest.
djwimbo
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definitely don't have a pound, so ... shitty
I didn't start this hoping to hear that, but I'm honored.
3x3 I'd rock the A51 in the middle and 2-4x 24" LED tubes ... I plan on building a 3x3 at the new place *wink*wink*
If you want to run two SGS's, I'd run them in a 4x4, but have core coverage of 3x4. No more than two plants per SGS, unless SOG/hempy
The other idea I have is to build a 72" tall, 32" deep, 84" wide enclosure. Run an SGS per "2x3" space, with an open space in the middle for fans/vent/plumbing/etc
They were on the summer sale, I think the promo is over. I got in on the last day of introductory pricing. I'd pay full price again for one, but returning customers get a discount.
No sign of bleaching yet. No leaf burn either, they're fading and dying, but I didn't see any tip/nute burn until late in flower.
They're all much closer than the recommended 18", I was a little paranoid that they may have problems because of it, but they seem happy. They were 6" tall on day 1 of 12/12, now they're 18-21" tall. I keep trying to think of ways to improve "mechanically", but I think experience and tweaking training ideas could help the most. This is my first ride without training wheels. The tips still have blonde hairs... she's a dirty blonde, and I want a redhead.
As far as the the beans are concerned, it's not riddled with them, I found two on one plant. Once harvested, I'll have a better idea. I don't want to flip them upside down quite yet. I'll try and get a pic soon.
hbbum
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Nothing wrong with a couple of seeds, though you may or may not want to keep them since you will run the risk of them producing another herm, and if in a room with a few other plants that may not be worth it. I am really impressed with how that light performs. Not sure if I can shell out the $500-600 they want for them now, but next time I am looking to upgrade that will probably be top of the list.
hbbum
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You cannot mainline an auto, you really shouldn't even top them. Mainlining requires a pretty substantial veg time to recover from the work required.
Stick to LST for that auto, will work fine in a shorter space.
djwimbo
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I agree with hbbum.
I've seen people top an auto for two heads, but the whole idea of mainlining requires a photoperiod plant. 46" height should be fine, mine is 48". I'd rather lose two inches than lose the option to use the light.
Edit - first leaves? I want to say ~72 hrs. IIRC I soaked them for 24+hrs, then dropped them ~1cm below the surface of the coco.
I know the light is expensive, when I changed jobs this summer/fall I took a 65% pay cut, so I understand the struggle.
I was paying 250-300/mo on bud, a panel that I expect to last 5-10yrs, the investment was worth it. If I get >4, then the entire amount I have invested will be "returned" in outcome. I'll ante up the electric bill... less than $40 to power the light start to finish, and still have the equipment and a light.
I am not claiming outcome/weight, but that's my perspective of cost to benefit ratio.
I ordered a 5-pack of these feminized beans. I have 3x left, but I want to pop the El Alquimista's.
I've seen people top an auto for two heads, but the whole idea of mainlining requires a photoperiod plant. 46" height should be fine, mine is 48". I'd rather lose two inches than lose the option to use the light.
Edit - first leaves? I want to say ~72 hrs. IIRC I soaked them for 24+hrs, then dropped them ~1cm below the surface of the coco.
I know the light is expensive, when I changed jobs this summer/fall I took a 65% pay cut, so I understand the struggle.
I was paying 250-300/mo on bud, a panel that I expect to last 5-10yrs, the investment was worth it. If I get >4, then the entire amount I have invested will be "returned" in outcome. I'll ante up the electric bill... less than $40 to power the light start to finish, and still have the equipment and a light.
I am not claiming outcome/weight, but that's my perspective of cost to benefit ratio.
I ordered a 5-pack of these feminized beans. I have 3x left, but I want to pop the El Alquimista's.
prosperian
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Thanks for the reply. This will help a lot as I find where the sgs needs to hang. Just like my 400w HID cool tube, I try to keep the light close to the canopy because of the extended veg time. I'm at 100 days from planting tomorrow and the plants are 39" tall. I also recommend the extra lighting for sides and down below when running longer veg times. I will keep you posted and thanks again for the help.
djwimbo
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It seems like the unspoken comparison is between the SGS-160 and a 400W HID.
Even the comparison on their forum is to a 400W. I figured since it was meant for a 2x3 it would compare to a 200-250W HID. I'm not the making comparison myself, but I can say that if I threw 400 watts at these ladies and got the same result, I'd be less happy. I don't have any experience with 400's for flowering, most that I know are using the 600's or 1K's.
I do know that if I stuffed a 250w HPS in there, I'd have a hell of a lot more heat problems, so LED FTW.
Even the comparison on their forum is to a 400W. I figured since it was meant for a 2x3 it would compare to a 200-250W HID. I'm not the making comparison myself, but I can say that if I threw 400 watts at these ladies and got the same result, I'd be less happy. I don't have any experience with 400's for flowering, most that I know are using the 600's or 1K's.
I do know that if I stuffed a 250w HPS in there, I'd have a hell of a lot more heat problems, so LED FTW.
thanks guys! Thats what I thought as well, just got excitted from watching these photos. yet, about the autos, this is the fifth day that Im waiting for the plants to emerge and nothing, so Ive lost hope and thrown some normal fem seeds to germinate. kind of bummed out about it....
PetFlora
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It was consistent lack of performance using 400 that peaked my interest in the MMJ magazine full page ufo ad hype
prosperian
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I guess a 400w is the max you can stuff into a 2X3 and get away with the heat. Mine had a cool tube with separate ventilation and it worked great during the winter. My problems occurred in the summer when my ambient temps went up the closet just got too warm for my tastes. 79-81 degrees with a 74 degree intake. The issue I had was all the a/c, electricity consumption, and noise from four fans to make it work.
That's when I went with the SGS. I didn't expect it to perform at the same level as the 400w HID. I've added additional lighting, topping, LST-ing, and a SCROG to help compensate for the differences in my grow closet.
I guess I will get my answers in the next 4 or 5 weeks as my first LED crop goes to harvest.
My 400HID
SGS 160
djwimbo
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Flowering: week 10, day 1
Total, Day #99.
Today is the last feed, these two pics are immediately before lights on, and immediately after lights on... literally <5 sec apart.
Three days from now, they will be flushed with tap water, left in the light until the end of the "day", then 48hrs of darkness.
Chop chop, no BS... I ain't got time for that.
Life hit a speedbump, but this is still finishing out as planned. I'll be around, but once this light goes off, my future use is uncertain... could be a month, could be much, much longer.
Total, Day #99.
Today is the last feed, these two pics are immediately before lights on, and immediately after lights on... literally <5 sec apart.
Three days from now, they will be flushed with tap water, left in the light until the end of the "day", then 48hrs of darkness.
Chop chop, no BS... I ain't got time for that.
Life hit a speedbump, but this is still finishing out as planned. I'll be around, but once this light goes off, my future use is uncertain... could be a month, could be much, much longer.
prosperian
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really nice fat buds. you have to be happy with that dj!
Huel Perkins
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Plants look great bro! Looks like a great pheno that will make for super easy trimming.
Good luck with the speedbump. Try not to let it fuck with your head too much man...
Good luck with the speedbump. Try not to let it fuck with your head too much man...
djwimbo
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These are the other pics
First two are still from the beginning of Day 99, last is a few hours after feed (you can see the lean difference). The big bud that's on the front left of the back plant went from 1.25" away from the wall, to having to rotate the pot a bit so it's not laying against the wall.
Not sure if I mentioned it before or not, but I lowered the light schedule again.If I had another week's worth of nutes, I'd let them finish week 10, but trichs look good to me. None of them are clear, and only the oldest spots without new growth are hinting at ambers.
Week 13: 11:30/12:30
Week 14: 11/13
Week 15: 10:30/13:30
- They will only get 3-4 days of the new schedule, 48hrs of darkness happens 102-103 days from bean/s.
Tallest plant, height leaned out is ~20" (where the top of the tape measure is), was an inch taller before the last swell.
EDIT: if you're looking at the pic below, the location that I found the two beans, is about the height where the 12-13" mark is on the tape measure, and on that plant. I was in a hurry so I didn't find them again, but there's a lot to look at down there too.
Two things, plant structure and that's how a 7.5L AirPot fits inside a 5gal bucket.
I realized that I had not shown how I did that. Dunk/push them down, pull up, drain, and put back in the cab. If you push them down, they will get "stuck". I used this to my advantage, leave them "stuck" for 10 sec and let as much soak into the medium as possible, then lift/drain. Each plant would absorb about 1.5-2" of standing water in the 5Gal bucket(after draining and removing the plant). I had to feed every 3 days, and at times ambient temps and RH were high. I feel like I got lucky on the feed schedule, but for a first coco run, I'm happy with how that worked out.
And after feed, all leaned.
First two are still from the beginning of Day 99, last is a few hours after feed (you can see the lean difference). The big bud that's on the front left of the back plant went from 1.25" away from the wall, to having to rotate the pot a bit so it's not laying against the wall.
Not sure if I mentioned it before or not, but I lowered the light schedule again.If I had another week's worth of nutes, I'd let them finish week 10, but trichs look good to me. None of them are clear, and only the oldest spots without new growth are hinting at ambers.
Week 13: 11:30/12:30
Week 14: 11/13
Week 15: 10:30/13:30
- They will only get 3-4 days of the new schedule, 48hrs of darkness happens 102-103 days from bean/s.
Tallest plant, height leaned out is ~20" (where the top of the tape measure is), was an inch taller before the last swell.
EDIT: if you're looking at the pic below, the location that I found the two beans, is about the height where the 12-13" mark is on the tape measure, and on that plant. I was in a hurry so I didn't find them again, but there's a lot to look at down there too.
Two things, plant structure and that's how a 7.5L AirPot fits inside a 5gal bucket.
I realized that I had not shown how I did that. Dunk/push them down, pull up, drain, and put back in the cab. If you push them down, they will get "stuck". I used this to my advantage, leave them "stuck" for 10 sec and let as much soak into the medium as possible, then lift/drain. Each plant would absorb about 1.5-2" of standing water in the 5Gal bucket(after draining and removing the plant). I had to feed every 3 days, and at times ambient temps and RH were high. I feel like I got lucky on the feed schedule, but for a first coco run, I'm happy with how that worked out.
And after feed, all leaned.