DNA Testing and Terpene Fingerprinting

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Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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Jd Short said:
"Then come out with it and say which seedbanks you guys actually sell through"<<<< No one is going to get me to admit anything. Least of all the selling of seeds. And this is the shit that's getting tiring and insulting….think about it…..and reread my words or read them slower.
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The problem is, your reasons make no sense. You say your grow. You say you sell seeds. You post pictures of plants you grow. But you won't say "Herbies has the real hookup"? It makes NO sense. What legal grounds does it suddenly cross? What suddenly becomes incriminating? For all we know, you're not even remotely related to DJ Short, so how does you saying who actually has your seeds change anything? Think the cops are just waiting for some guy online to say "I'm DJ Short's kid and yes, Sannies has actual DJ Short seeds" and then BOOM the hammer falls? That's just not the way it works. Especially not here. It is extremely hypocrtical for you to say "There are so many ripoff artists dragging our name through the dirt, but I'm not gonna give you any info about where to get the genuine article so that you can see we're not shitty like those ripoffs are. Instead, look at these pictures I took! See? Isn't that proof? Why would you need to grow them yourself?" You tell people your shit is good. You tell people that others fake your shit. At this point, you might as well be a competitor trying to shut down DJ Short's operation by spreading rumors about people selling fake versions of his seeds and then not saying where the real ones are, insinuating that we should all stop buying any seeds labeled DJ Short because there is literally NO WAY to tell if it is genuine, since even the breeder's family won't say where you can get the genuine seeds.
 
TheHermit

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Ace, you pretty much took the words out of my mouth. I am hesitant to pay 150 for a pack of seeds unless I have a pretty good idea that they are worth it. Why pay that much for potential fakes, especially when the breeder won't even tell you who is selling the fakes. Maybe they have no idea? I do remember reading a thread on icmag, where dj short was spouting a lot of similar things that his son is saying. Basically he came out and said that he pays some guy to breed his seeds for him, and pays another guy to package them, so to me it doesn't really sound like he does much except collect a check for work he did thirty years ago. He also when on to call all other breeders hacks who were stealing food out of the mouth of farmers in Thailand and Mexico. I guess it is only ok when he does it. To me, it seems like it is all about money to them.
 
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Sativied said:
Pointing out the deception and dishonesty in the seed industry upsets the herd as many make obvious every day in this and other forums.
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....I should have listened...lol....the herd grumbles.....

....damn, and it was like one of the first comments....I should have listened. You'll figure it out guys....keep grumbling.
 
daybreaker

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The facts remain that over the years many seed companies share genetics to create bigger better stronger breeds.The word greedy is an understatement when you go around pointing fingers in the air and not saying who.You obviously don't know ,and if you did why wouldn't you wanna spreaqd the word to this community you say your a part of to save yer "homies" the wasted time and effort buying shwag genetics.Im confused why you are here talking about this.Were you bored?Save your rep and bow out peacefully.
 
OGEvilgenius

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Ace Yonder said:
What's weird to me is that from a business standpoint he has nothing to lose by pointing out who has his real gear. The only people he would potentially hurt are people who are ripping off his product, and that's also a win for him, so I'm not sure what the hold up is. He can't "literally not know" like he claims, because he knows which seed banks he has supplied (unless he isn't actually producing the seeds in which case he really has no ground to stand on), and thus by process of elimination he also knows who is claiming to sell his product without ever getting his product from him. I think that what the problem is, for him, is that if he says who actually sells his stuff, then he can't claim that the bad stuff people grew was fake if they got it from a source he says is legit. He isn't trying to protect himself legally, he's trying to protect his upper hand in the argument.
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It's even stranger since a lot of it is sold under the brand name. It's already pretty much admitted unless this knock off thing is a part of a legal defense. Have a tough time seeing a lot of the seed banks which carry the gear selling straight knock offs under his name and the rest of the community not knowing about it. A lot of breeders work with these guys. I somehow doubt they would bother if this is the kind of thing they were doing.
 
TheHermit

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If you are saying that there are fakes out there, but won't tell us who has the real deal, then I will just assume they are all fakes and not bother with them at all. I hate to be like that, because there are a lot of dj short genetics that I have heard great things about and would love to try, but why bother when the breeder won't even say which are real and which are not, especially at 150 a pack. It doesn't really come across like you even care if your customers get ripped off, or you have no clue whether what is being sold as dj short is real or not. Neither is very encouraging.
 
TonightYou

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JD

All I'm saying is its a new day In the world of cannabis. Think of joining this site and if you are in business or good terms with your father as a new means of rebranding. DJ Short beans wouldn't be the first company to need to improve their image and as you said your brand has value, even you've alluded to Blue Dream.

Now I'm going to postulate on something, and since you don't like to confirm or talk business, feel free to ignore it. My guess is that the brand took a hit when production left DJ Shorts hands and he move production over seas to avoid legal trouble here in the states. Perhaps that's another reason we see a few other brands using the genetics as a production facility was doing their seed production. My suggestion is to bring it home. Shit is legal here now and with some moxy you can figure out a way somewhere to grow enough plants for new selections and testing. Take a year and reboot your brand. Also have a plan to introduce some new works. The classics never go out of style (Refused anyone?).

Again I'm just postulating that this is what happens. It makes sense since people seem to have a similar time line of when things went down hill. Not rumor starting, I don't know nor care where you make your seed stock but I have a feeling it isn't in the legal state you live in and your family did what a lot of banks did and went to Spain. If that is not what happen simply take the consideration of cleaning up in house and again going through the catalog and reselecting parents.

Brands face image and branding issues all the time. Seize the new day and opportunity.

Also I'm one of the growers that's harder on my grows than any possible outsider. I'm not one to get defensive over my plants. I can tell where I've fucked up and when I've done well. Even when my friends have complemented my finished product, my response is "it can be better" followed by how as their eyes glaze over not caring about the details us growers do.

Eta: those are some nice photos of blueberry. I do wonder though why I'm seeing some variation for an f5, I'm thinking of that foxtailing beauty you posted. Also cat piss turning to skittles sounds amazing.
 
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althor

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HGK420 said:
Well I got my packs of your dads beans from...... Your dad..... And so far I've found a buncha hay.. Herm prone hay...

I've found herms in almost every seed companies beans now including some of the most dick riddin fanboy loved companies... BUT the 2 packs of blueberry I've been through now gave me a bunch of weak watered down stretch crazy hay slanging ornery ladies... Not to talk down on your dads beans I've only gone through 4 packs of them but I have yet to find anything even worth smiling about..

Even bodhi packs drop turd after turd if your not lucky with how the parents meld. Bodhi has so many fans it's nuts... Including myself, the man is awesome and an inspiration, I just have yet to find anything that exciting out of more packs of beans then I can remember from him.

I won't name the ones I feel are truly pushing quality terp filled beans at the moment out of respect of the op but I will say I've found nothing of note out of beans handed to me directly by your dad, and they resembled much of what people bitch about with your dads genes.

I've been told by some that they've had some of the best blueberry And azure haze ever that came from your dads packs so idk... It's possible they are out there I guess.. But recent experience with a competitor would make me think your dad missed... I found 9 AMAZING winners out of 24 beans.. honest true to life huge yielding and amazingly terpy and strong. That's not so with your dads, why's that? His beans had a very "Dutch" feel to the flavor. Is terp profile on the top of his list of qualities to breed for? Or stability like the Dutch model? That's what it felt like to me..
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Thank you, seems that those of us who have actually dropped that BIG ASS FEE, have come away pretty damned disappointed over the past 5 years. Some of the most unstable stuff I have messed with and nothing out of a 10 pack that was even close to being a keeper.
DJ Short might have been "the shit" 15+ years ago, but now it just seems like shit to me. Sorry if this is harsh, but I paid and I grew, and I was thoroughly disappointed.
 
TonightYou

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I don't disagree with you King Arthur. He really could lose that paranoid/old school thought process and focus on listening a bit more to his targeted audience, us growers.

You could be a bit more constructive with some of your comments towards him. He's acknowledged he has been evasive in questioning for whatever his reasons are. He's also noticed he's been defensive so that's a good thing.

It's not like swerve or Subcool. They are simply dicks and were kinda fun to troll
 
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daybreaker

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TonightYou said:
I don't disagree with you King Arthur. He really could lose that paranoid/old school thought process and focus on listening a bit more to his targeted audience, us growers.

You could be a bit more constructive with some of your comments towards him. He's acknowledged he has been evasive in questioning for whatever his reasons are. He's also noticed he's been defensive so that's a good thing.

It's not like swerve or Subcool. They are simply dicks and were kinda fun to troll
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Well I get it if all these seed companies are stocking dj short seeds yet they have no recollection of providing that said seed co. their seeds.If it is a court lawsuit in the process makes sense not to mention names...however we are the buyers,at least steup and take care of us cuz with the amazing breeders these days its easy to stick with them and not chance buying dj shit seeds,i mean short of course,but if their fakes...???you get it.
 
TonightYou

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daybreaker said:
Well I get it if all these seed companies are stocking dj short seeds yet they have no recollection of providing that said seed co. their seeds.If it is a court lawsuit in the process makes sense not to mention names...however we are the buyers,at least steup and take care of us cuz with the amazing breeders these days its easy to stick with them and not chance buying dj shit seeds,i mean short of course,but if their fakes...???you get it.
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Well even in legal states, no court will pick up a case regarding copyrights or name infringement for two reason . First even though it's legal in states, no court will take this issue up due to federal law supercedes state law on cannabis. Second, state law doesn't have jurisdiction on copyright and trademarks as that is a federal issue, so we can rule out the idea of a pending lawsuit.

Granted with legal markets coming up, these issue should be legally enforced to a degree (for better or worse, I've already stated my opinion on it) just as any other legal business should have recourse if they feel they've been wronged.

JD is simply holding old school thoughts of paranoia and/or isn't aware of his father's actual business model/plans.
 
King Arthur

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TonightYou said:
I don't disagree with you King Arthur. He really could lose that paranoid/old school thought process and focus on listening a bit more to his targeted audience, us growers.

You could be a bit more constructive with some of your comments towards him. He's acknowledged he has been evasive in questioning for whatever his reasons are. He's also noticed he's been defensive so that's a good thing.

It's not like swerve or Subcool. They are simply dicks and were kinda fun to troll
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Never trolled Sub but I am sure that would have me laughing for days. I mean brother I gave him the easy way out, "if you were to buy beans ... where?" and he responds with "my dad"

There is not even 1% of me who thinks this guy is really part of DJ Shorts family.

The more evasive he gets the more I try to open the door for him to talk theoretically and he closes the door every time. He came here to taunt us about fake beans. The carrot on the stick is becoming rotten and ready for replacement.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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King Arthur said:
Never trolled Sub but I am sure that would have me laughing for days. I mean brother I gave him the easy way out, "if you were to buy beans ... where?" and he responds with "my dad"

There is not even 1% of me who thinks this guy is really part of DJ Shorts family.

The more evasive he gets the more I try to open the door for him to talk theoretically and he closes the door every time. He came here to taunt us about fake beans. The carrot on the stick is becoming rotten and ready for replacement.
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I do think it's him. No one has a reason to pretend to be relate and so defensive of his families product. Plus I think he either doesn't know the business his father is conducting or is old school paranoid. JD, if they wanted you, they'd have had you years ago, that's how the feds work.
 
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