Do conservative Republican Stoners exist?

Jasonian069 · Sep 24, 2012

abandonconflict said:
Left/right is a paradigm, not a false dichotomy. Is name calling all you've got? You certainly fail at arguing economics and understanding aggregate demand.

I'll dumb it down for you, trickle down economics (Reaganomics) and war caused the recession, not the left you hate so much.

No, I understand aggregate demand. It doesn't apply to what I'm saying, though. It's pretty standard knowledge that what caused the recession was the housing bubble, which was brought on by risky lending, not 'trickle down economics'. Keep beating that dead horse, though. It'll get up and take you where you need to go. It's rather ironic, don't you think, that somebody named 'abandonconflict' starts more shit than anybody else here. LMAO

abandonconflict · Sep 24, 2012

Jasonian069 said:
No, I understand aggregate demand. It doesn't apply to what I'm saying, though. It's pretty standard knowledge that what caused the recession was the housing bubble, which was brought on by risky lending, not 'trickle down economics'. Keep beating that dead horse, though. It'll get up and take you where you need to go. It's rather ironic, don't you think, that somebody named 'abandonconflict' starts more shit than anybody else here. LMAO

LOL

Aggregate demand has nothing to do with a recession characterized by people not buying.

Good one, I almost thought you were serious, you had me going there.

Yeah, pretty standard knowledge. LOL

cannabineer · Sep 24, 2012

abandonconflict said:
LOL

Aggregate demand has nothing to do with a recession characterized by people not buying.

Good one, I almost thought you were serious, you had me going there.

Yeah, pretty standard knowledge. LOL

Forgive me if this is simplistic, but isn't "people not buying" and "decreased aggregate demand" a tautology? cn

abandonconflict · Sep 24, 2012

cannabineer said:
Forgive me if this is simplistic, but isn't "people not buying" and "decreased aggregate demand" a tautology? cn

It is very broad and widely encompassing to describe the demand for goods and services within a market.

I would say that the phrase is synonymous with recession.

Dr Kynes · Sep 24, 2012

abandonconflict said:
Very serious, despite your name calling. Furthermore, if Obama is a corporate puppet, why does he believe in the redistribution of wealth?

he has successfully made the case that PEOPLE with too much money should be taxed until they have the federally allowed maximum income, while CORPORATIONS that have too much money and handled it badly need a bailout, Obama CONTRIBUTORS can never have too much money, thus they need a sweetheart deal from the Dept of Energy, and UNIONS are always in need of more money.

so yes he has the worst of all traits, he despises the rich people, fellates the corporate giants, gives handjobs to his big donors and lets the unions ravish our ass without even requesting a reacharound, while claiming he is doing it for the "middle class" when he is actually screwing the poor.

abandonconflict · Sep 24, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
he has successfully made the case that PEOPLE with too much money should be taxed until they have the federally allowed maximum income, while CORPORATIONS that have too much money and handled it badly need a bailout, Obama CONTRIBUTORS can never have too much money, thus they need a sweetheart deal from the Dept of Energy, and UNIONS are always in need of more money.

so yes he has the worst of all traits, he despises the rich people, fellates the corporate giants, gives handjobs to his big donors and lets the unions ravish our ass without even requesting a reacharound, while claiming he is doing it for the "middle class" when he is actually screwing the poor.

screwing the 47% who rely on, how did Rmoney say it?

Canna Sylvan · Sep 24, 2012

blindbaby said:
im here. first, it is dangerous today to admit you are a conservative.

I posted this on another forum two years ago and was banned because of such thoughts:

I have two stories to tell so bear with me.
#1
I was talking to this, who I thought was nice(in a grocery store), old lady. We were
talking for about a half hour how I could get a service dog for my
tremors who could be my companion at stores. I asked if the dog
was covered by insurance. She goes, 'ha that's a laugh. I'm a democrat as you
can probably tell.' So I tell her that's nice how a republican can
have some common ground with a smile. At that point she tells
me she no longer wants to talk to me. She wished she knew before I started talking to me because she wasted her time. I
guess I should have worn my 'I wish we had Bush back' t-shirt
and hat on? She wishes me well and I'm young enough to wise
up. Shrug.

cannabineer · Sep 24, 2012

abandonconflict said:
It is very broad and widely encompassing to describe the demand for goods and services within a market.

I would say that the phrase is synonymous with recession.

Yes, but that's still people buying, no? Not necessarily for self and family, but also for firm and agency ... it's still people buying. unless I'm missing something. cn

Ringsixty · Sep 24, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
I am a conservative independent stoner who was a Republican for most of his life.

I never paid much attention to Santorum and Palin is eh...

Same here, Independent Conservative Stoner.
Was once a Republican then became a Democrat.

Now days, I think it's better to play in the middle of the road.

abandonconflict · Sep 24, 2012

cannabineer said:
Yes, but that's still people buying, no? Not necessarily for self and family, but also for firm and agency ... it's still people buying. unless I'm missing something. cn

Yes, then it is tautological. It was necessary, since aggregate demand seems to go over some people's heads.

ginwilly · Sep 24, 2012

Conservative independent stoner here too, but only because of the present climate. Was a liberal independent stoner during the Reagan years.

Left of Obama on social issues, right of Romney on fiscal issues.

Off topic a bit but why do the same people who scream about the evils of "trickle down" (fallacy) are always the same ones clapping when the Fed just "gives" money to banks?

abandonconflict · Sep 24, 2012

ginwilly said:
Conservative independent stoner here too, but only because of the present climate. Was a liberal independent stoner during the Reagan years.

Left of Obama on social issues, right of Romney on fiscal issues.

Off topic a bit but why do the same people who scream about the evils of "trickle down" (fallacy) are always the same ones clapping when the Fed just "gives" money to banks?

The Fed also "just gives" 47% of America money.

ginwilly · Sep 24, 2012

I should add that I'm for whichever party that proclaims they'll be less intrusive in my day to day life.

ginwilly · Sep 24, 2012

abandonconflict said:
The Fed also "just gives" 47% of America money.

I'm sorry, you lost me. I'm trying to decipher your sarcasm and I'm a bit high. Keynesian economics relies on being able to accurately and consistently predict human behavior. Good luck with that. Chevy Volt anyone? Buffett would be a trillionaire.

edit: or were you saying that letting corporations keep more of their money in hopes it "trickles" down is somehow worse than printing money out of thin air to give to banks so they'll loan to corporations in hopes money gets in the hands in the hands of poor people (but not trickle down).

abandonconflict · Sep 24, 2012

ginwilly said:
I'm sorry, you lost me. I'm trying to decipher your sarcasm and I'm a bit high. Keynesian economics relies on being able to accurately and consistently predict human behavior. Good luck with that. Chevy Volt anyone? Buffett would be a trillionaire.

edit: or were you saying that letting corporations keep more of their money in hopes it "trickles" down is somehow worse than printing money out of thin air to give to banks so they'll loan to corporations in hopes money gets in the hands in the hands of poor people (but not trickle down).

I'm saying that what we have now is less horrible than printing more money just to occupy Iraq.

althor · Sep 24, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
he has successfully made the case that PEOPLE with too much money should be taxed until they have the federally allowed maximum income, while CORPORATIONS that have too much money and handled it badly need a bailout, Obama CONTRIBUTORS can never have too much money, thus they need a sweetheart deal from the Dept of Energy, and UNIONS are always in need of more money.

so yes he has the worst of all traits, he despises the rich people, fellates the corporate giants, gives handjobs to his big donors and lets the unions ravish our ass without even requesting a reacharound, while claiming he is doing it for the "middle class" when he is actually screwing the poor.

There it is.

Harrekin · Sep 25, 2012

abandonconflict said:
Reaganomics did that. Giving money to the bottom 47% somehow equals welfare for the Koch bros in your mind.

Social welfare creates aggregate demand. With demand, somebody, somewhere rises to supply it. They are the middle class.

Stop watching Faux Nooz, you have been brainwashed to believe that the lower class is robbing the middle class while the rich have gotten richer at a staggering rate, as evidenced by the fact that the top 400 people hold 1/8 of the country's wealth. This has occurred while productivity has increased.

So hold up a second Mr. Economics Professor...

Tell me how welfare spurs aggregate demand when it's removing money from the economy through taxation to fund it in the first place?

You lefties are totally, unquestionably, fucking retarded.

Dr Kynes · Sep 25, 2012

Harrekin said:
So hold up a second Mr. Economics Professor...

Tell me how welfare spurs aggregate demand when it's removing money from the economy through taxation to fund it in the first place?

You lefties are totally, unquestionably, fucking retarded.

shh shh shhhh... lay your head on my lap and ill tell you the story of how bureaucrats give money MAAAAAGICAL powers....

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there lived a beautiful princess, who had a team of accountants and bureaucrats chained to desks in the dungeons. she made them work and work and work day in and day out rubbing the coins taken from the people as taxes together so that the magical money dust could rub off. when the pile of magic money dust got big enough she called for her Fairy God-Banker Alan Greenspan, and he would flutter in through the window on his gossamer wings and add the magical pixie dust of seigniorage which would make the money dust pile grow and grow untill it became whole new money formed from nothing but the sweat of the accountants, and a little bit of banker fairy magic! and thats how we get economic prosperity! beautiful princesses, accountantns and magical banking fairies all working together to ensure that everybody gets all the flat screen tv's and spinnning rims they couold want without eeeeeeever having to actually pay for any of it!

and as long as the accountants and bankers keep making the magic money dust into magic new money we all live happily ever after.

Harrekin · Sep 25, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
shh shh shhhh... lay your head on my lap and ill tell you the story of how bureaucrats give money MAAAAAGICAL powers....

Once upon a time in a land far far away, there lived a beautiful princess, who had a team of accountants and bureaucrats chained to desks in the dungeons. she made them work and work and work day in and day out rubbing the coins taken from the people as taxes together so that the magical money dust could rub off. when the pile of magic money dust got big enough she called for her Fairy God-Banker Alan Greenspan, and he would flutter in through the window on his gossamer wings and add the magical pixie dust of seigniorage which would make the money dust pile grow and grow untill it became whole new money formed from nothing but the sweat of the accountants, and a little bit of banker fairy magic! and thats how we get economic prosperity! beautiful princesses, accountantns and magical banking fairies all working together to ensure that everybody gets all the flat screen tv's and spinnning rims they couold want without eeeeeeever having to actually pay for any of it!

and as long as the accountants and bankers keep making the magic money dust into magic new money we all live happily ever after.

Doc, tell everyone of the Inflation Monster gobbling up all of people's saving and reducing the stored power of the magic money dust!

Mr Neutron · Sep 25, 2012

Harrekin said:
Doc, tell everyone of the Inflation Monster gobbling up all of people's saving and reducing the stored power of the magic money dust!

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