Do not smoke marijuana in excess, It can cause cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome

bird mcbride

bird mcbride

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I used to have that problem. Gut rot all the time. I went for years and I was at a point where I wouldn't even allow my freinds to smoke a cigarette in my house. Quit everything but still needed a roll of tums in my pocket. My lungs were inflamed and conjested. When it first hit me a bunch of old ww2 vets at the local barbershop told be to gargle with a little bleach in some warm water. I thought they were flipin' crazy. When I got in my fourties I was on my death bed with this thing. Doctors had failed me. Then I remembered what the old dudes said at the barber shop who had since passed away. All's I can say is they were correct. I no longer have any health problems and I don't gotta gargle with bleach anymore. I can smoke, drink, eat what I want. If all other options fail and you're heading for the box just remember this post. It just might save your life. Getting fungus in your lungs and your gut is a serious issue. The easiest solution to this problem is don't smoke contaminated weed. Would you drink contaminated beer?
 
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bird mcbride

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Just to note, I've noticed that a few of the young people have been clipping filters from cigarettes and rolling them in their doobies.
 
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~Dankster~420

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Sounds like Chrones disease 2 me.. I suffer from it on a daily basis. I have to say cannabis really helps me out tremendously. barmy.gif
h2alo1 said:
I've been sick. Literally. The other forums didn't answer my questions. Every morning i wake up i get the puking feeling then within 20 minutes, i occupy the bathroom all day. I try drinking water, but it just gets worse. I'm just looking for advice man. I agree with you about the internet part of it. The doctor that diagnosed me only saw one case of this. she did say she went to a conference on it though. It is definitely possible i don't have this. I'm hoping i don't. I just realized, the bud i buy crackles when i buy it. After a couple days it doesn't crackle. Is there a chemical that can be sprayed on weed that mimics the symptoms of this?
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Brettzel71

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leftyguitar said:
I've been smoking everyday recently and I don't have any physical problems from it. In fact, I feel better, more calm and relaxed and clear headed than I have in years.
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This is a bit long, but take the time to read it. I would love to help others if i can.

I am a white, 42 year old man that has had a love affair with grass for most my entire life. (just for your information)

I have been battling these symptoms for ten (10) years. I have been diagnosed with everything from gastroenteritis to malfunctioning Stomach sphincter to Psycho Semitic (which basically means it was in my head??? Doctors are douches sometimes) and finally Hyperparathyroidism. I even had two parathyroid glands removed.

I also spent an entire month at the Mayo Clinic getting worked up by panels of doctors. That is actually where I first heard about Marijuana having some negative effects on some smokers. Of course I thought that Doctor was clearly disturbed and had no business being a doctor.

I have been smoking marijuana since I was twelve years old and I love it. I hardly drink and simply found it hard to believe that something that has been used for thousands of years without anyone seemingly ever reporting these type of symptoms could suddenly exist. Why the hell was I so lucky to spend the years I have, wasting away in a bathroom puking and feeling pretty horrible. The E.R's started to think I was just a junkie trying to get drugs (like I want to spend a thousand dollars on a needle in my arm and a completely chemical sense of lethargy when I could spend a fiftieth of that to smoke a bowl)

The humiliation of having an emergency room doctor questioning my motives instead of helping me with my pain was surprisingly hurtful and frustrating. These episodes became nearly an every day thing for me. They would start in the morning (usually during a bowel movement). I would be sitting on the toilet and my stomach would cramp up, my mouth would run with saliva and eventually I would start throwing up. I would run to the bathroom about 10 to 20 times a day and retch about 20 times per bathroom visit. If there was nothing to throw up I would simply dry heave air and different colors of foam.....it was gross.

Needless to say I lost a lot of weight from all that exercise so I started looking sick as well. I am normally 190lbs (at the time this all started I was 206) and by the time I had my Parathyroid surgery I weighed 130lbs and looked like pictures of Holocaust survivors. I seriously thought I was dying and had actually come to peace with that thought. I accepted I was dying. Needless to say that type of thinking was a source of profound strength, because I didn't want to die.

After the surgery I got better. I hadn't realized until just recently that I was not smoking grass during that time as I didn't have the money to spare. A few months went by and I started smoking again and the attacks returned. I still refused to believe that grass could have any hurtful effects on me. How could it? It was being legalized medically around the country and had been used to stop nausea for patients for years. It just didn't add up.

For the past 5 years I have only been able to afford "Regs" or "Zona" and hadn't had any problems. Of course I would also not be smoking every day and could go weeks between bags of grass so I had no troubles at all during that whole time.

A month ago I was given a couple ounces of "Chronic" as a gift and of course have enjoyed it daily. Then suddenly I found myself starting to fight off the runny saliva and nausea from before as it started getting worse. Two weekends in a row I was in the ER and this past Tuesday I had to be admitted to the hospital because of my incredible discomfort and vomiting. I was just released yesterday (7-10-2014)

By the way, the only drug that stopped it right away was "Dilauden" it hits hard but helps like nothing (even morphine) has ever. Of course its a narcotic and they don't want to just be giving that away and it is one of the drugs that junkies try to get from the E.R. with made up symptoms and generous amounts of acting. (Thanks for ruining it for we who actually suffer by the way...ya jerks).

During my time in the hospital I remembered that doctor at the Mayo Clinic. I was able to do a little research on it and found that now it actually had a name and more studies had been done since last I thought of it. Of course if you ever want to find the truth, you have to be open to it. If you feel everything is a conspiracy and that "The Man" is simply trying to keep grass illegal you will be hard pressed to find out what the hell is causing you such pain and discomfort. And you will be the instrument of your own continued suffering.

I myself was of the mindset that the medical establishment would say anything to keep grass illegal so they could continue to push synthetic drugs and promote pharmaceutical companies, not to mention I didn't agree how W.R. Hearst destroyed the marijuana industry as a favor to himself and his friends interests (those being oil, pharmaceuticals, Synthetics, and a lot of other uses) The point being, I had to struggle in order to be objective about what was happening to me. I had to take what I knew out of the equation. Otherwise any well thought idea would simply be written of by the years of self-indoctrination I had been through. Lets face it, when it comes to the rights of smokers and how they have been criminalized and wrongfully stereotyped over the years, we can be as hardcore as "right-to-lifers" or the "tea party".

I want grass to be legal. I want to smoke it and I do not want anyone to stop it if they don't want to. I am seriously all for it. I am only speaking about this getting sick thing and what I have finally found out.

I have paid close attention to what has been happening to me along with what I ate and what and how much I smoked grass over the years and I have the following observations to offer as they may help other smokers. The only thing that changed was the frequency I smoked and what kind of grass I was smoking.
1) It was only when I was regularly smoking what is called "Chronic" marijuana that these episodes would begin.
2) If I stopped smoking I stopped having episodes
3) If I had never been objective about it, it would simply continue (ten years is enough of a sacrifice to make).

Note.....What I believe?
I believe that grass has gotten much more potent over the years and that is the simple reason why this has never really been an issue in the past. I believe that "Chronic" which is normally a "hydroponic" crop is not the same plant. It is not grown from the soil, so as natural as it is, it is as close to being synthetic as it can be and still be grown. I am sure there are growers that grow it in soil too, but these are normally from clones of the "hydroponic" plants. For some reason these plants cause some of us to react. Not everyone does and I am very happy to hear that as it smells and tastes so good...lol

I am just throwing this out there as a fellow partaker and lover of the weed. If this could help even one person then I would really feel great. I know the effect this has had on me and I can't say how much i wish I had this information to read years ago. I have incurred nearly $200K in medical bills just because of these episodes and will never get out from under it.

If you don't want to stop smoking just change it up and smoke more regs. See what happens. Try to stop and see what happens. Maybe THC tablets are for you (or me), maybe hash or some other form. Just do yourself and your family a favor because believe me, when you are suffering like that and there is no answer, then your loved ones suffer too.

I really hope this helps. I would love to hear it if it does.

Regards
Brettzel71
 
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Brettzel71

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AtownSmoker said:
Try tums! Way better than anti acid pills!

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pSi007 said:
Maybe you have AIDs, or you are just getting old.

I know people who smoke an ounce per week and have done so for 40+ years, they are healthy.
I am almost 40 and I have smoked about 1 ounce per week (vaporized, concentrate, and joints) for 20 years. I kick ass..


All the nay-say`ers to cannabis, you are dumb and I don't believe your lies. If you have a problem, maybe you should get a second opinion, DUH.
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This is a bit long, but take the time to read it. I would love to help others if i can.

I am a white, 42 year old man that has had a love affair with grass for most my entire life. (just for your information)

I have been battling these symptoms for ten (10) years. I have been diagnosed with everything from gastroenteritis to malfunctioning Stomach sphincter to Psycho Semitic (which basically means it was in my head??? Doctors are douches sometimes) and finally Hyperparathyroidism. I even had two parathyroid glands removed.

I also spent an entire month at the Mayo Clinic getting worked up by panels of doctors. That is actually where I first heard about Marijuana having some negative effects on some smokers. Of course I thought that Doctor was clearly disturbed and had no business being a doctor.

I have been smoking marijuana since I was twelve years old and I love it. I hardly drink and simply found it hard to believe that something that has been used for thousands of years without anyone seemingly ever reporting these type of symptoms could suddenly exist. Why the hell was I so lucky to spend the years I have, wasting away in a bathroom puking and feeling pretty horrible. The E.R's started to think I was just a junkie trying to get drugs (like I want to spend a thousand dollars on a needle in my arm and a completely chemical sense of lethargy when I could spend a fiftieth of that to smoke a bowl)

The humiliation of having an emergency room doctor questioning my motives instead of helping me with my pain was surprisingly hurtful and frustrating. These episodes became nearly an every day thing for me. They would start in the morning (usually during a bowel movement). I would be sitting on the toilet and my stomach would cramp up, my mouth would run with saliva and eventually I would start throwing up. I would run to the bathroom about 10 to 20 times a day and retch about 20 times per bathroom visit. If there was nothing to throw up I would simply dry heave air and different colors of foam.....it was gross.

Needless to say I lost a lot of weight from all that exercise so I started looking sick as well. I am normally 190lbs (at the time this all started I was 206) and by the time I had my Parathyroid surgery I weighed 130lbs and looked like pictures of Holocaust survivors. I seriously thought I was dying and had actually come to peace with that thought. I accepted I was dying. Needless to say that type of thinking was a source of profound strength, because I didn't want to die.

After the surgery I got better. I hadn't realized until just recently that I was not smoking grass during that time as I didn't have the money to spare. A few months went by and I started smoking again and the attacks returned. I still refused to believe that grass could have any hurtful effects on me. How could it? It was being legalized medically around the country and had been used to stop nausea for patients for years. It just didn't add up.

For the past 5 years I have only been able to afford "Regs" or "Zona" and hadn't had any problems. Of course I would also not be smoking every day and could go weeks between bags of grass so I had no troubles at all during that whole time.

A month ago I was given a couple ounces of "Chronic" as a gift and of course have enjoyed it daily. Then suddenly I found myself starting to fight off the runny saliva and nausea from before as it started getting worse. Two weekends in a row I was in the ER and this past Tuesday I had to be admitted to the hospital because of my incredible discomfort and vomiting. I was just released yesterday (7-10-2014)

By the way, the only drug that stopped it right away was "Dilauden" it hits hard but helps like nothing (even morphine) has ever. Of course its a narcotic and they don't want to just be giving that away and it is one of the drugs that junkies try to get from the E.R. with made up symptoms and generous amounts of acting. (Thanks for ruining it for we who actually suffer by the way...ya jerks).

During my time in the hospital I remembered that doctor at the Mayo Clinic. I was able to do a little research on it and found that now it actually had a name and more studies had been done since last I thought of it. Of course if you ever want to find the truth, you have to be open to it. If you feel everything is a conspiracy and that "The Man" is simply trying to keep grass illegal you will be hard pressed to find out what the hell is causing you such pain and discomfort. And you will be the instrument of your own continued suffering.

I myself was of the mindset that the medical establishment would say anything to keep grass illegal so they could continue to push synthetic drugs and promote pharmaceutical companies, not to mention I didn't agree how W.R. Hearst destroyed the marijuana industry as a favor to himself and his friends interests (those being oil, pharmaceuticals, Synthetics, and a lot of other uses) The point being, I had to struggle in order to be objective about what was happening to me. I had to take what I knew out of the equation. Otherwise any well thought idea would simply be written of by the years of self-indoctrination I had been through. Lets face it, when it comes to the rights of smokers and how they have been criminalized and wrongfully stereotyped over the years, we can be as hardcore as "right-to-lifers" or the "tea party".

I want grass to be legal. I want to smoke it and I do not want anyone to stop it if they don't want to. I am seriously all for it. I am only speaking about this getting sick thing and what I have finally found out.

I have paid close attention to what has been happening to me along with what I ate and what and how much I smoked grass over the years and I have the following observations to offer as they may help other smokers. The only thing that changed was the frequency I smoked and what kind of grass I was smoking.
1) It was only when I was regularly smoking what is called "Chronic" marijuana that these episodes would begin.
2) If I stopped smoking I stopped having episodes
3) If I had never been objective about it, it would simply continue (ten years is enough of a sacrifice to make).

Note.....What I believe?
I believe that grass has gotten much more potent over the years and that is the simple reason why this has never really been an issue in the past. I believe that "Chronic" which is normally a "hydroponic" crop is not the same plant. It is not grown from the soil, so as natural as it is, it is as close to being synthetic as it can be and still be grown. I am sure there are growers that grow it in soil too, but these are normally from clones of the "hydroponic" plants. For some reason these plants cause some of us to react. Not everyone does and I am very happy to hear that as it smells and tastes so good...lol

I am just throwing this out there as a fellow partaker and lover of the weed. If this could help even one person then I would really feel great. I know the effect this has had on me and I can't say how much i wish I had this information to read years ago. I have incurred nearly $200K in medical bills just because of these episodes and will never get out from under it.

If you don't want to stop smoking just change it up and smoke more regs. See what happens. Try to stop and see what happens. Maybe THC tablets are for you (or me), maybe hash or some other form. Just do yourself and your family a favor because believe me, when you are suffering like that and there is no answer, then your loved ones suffer too.

I really hope this helps. I would love to hear it if it does.

Regards
Brettzel71
 
colonuggs

colonuggs

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Your best bet is to grow weed yourself, from seed, in promix, adding only what you want to the soil...you control every aspect of the grow this way ......DONT RELY ON OTHERS

CHRONIC..... is just a term used to describe killer weed...... not something grown in hydro

and YES there is a difference in bud grown in hydro and promix ....smell and taste is always better in promix or sunshine #4
 
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Deusracing

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colonuggs said:
Your best bet is to grow weed yourself, from seed, in promix, adding only what you want to the soil...you control every aspect of the grow this way ......DONT RELY ON OTHERS

CHRONIC..... is just a term used to describe killer weed...... not something grown in hydro

and YES there is a difference in bud grown in hydro and promix ....smell and taste is always better in promix or sunshine #4
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What about oregons only with Natural Lava stone from Volcano Hi.. Roots organics for nutes with beneficial biologics
 
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colonuggs said:
Your best bet is to grow weed yourself, from seed, in promix, adding only what you want to the soil...you control every aspect of the grow this way ......DONT RELY ON OTHERS

CHRONIC..... is just a term used to describe killer weed...... not something grown in hydro

and YES there is a difference in bud grown in hydro and promix ....smell and taste is always better in promix or sunshine #4
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I was around when Chronic came about and it was called cryppie or cryptonite weed which was a hydroponic product that was originally cloned from the sticky Humboldt county weed or northern lights strains (by the growers I knew anyway). It was grown in a solution then at the right time the temp would be plummeted in order to grow more protective THC crystals on the buds. Chronic is a generic term to show that the weed has been improved in some way from the norm. In some places it means other drugs like cocaine have been added to it.

I agree that growing it ourselves would be best, but I am not having a semantic argument with you about it. I am simply letting those few of us who have been seeking some sort of answers to what is happening to them physically. None of us wants to quit smoking.

If you don't agree, that is fine, but if you don't suffer then why try to make anyone else feel bad about themselves? Especially if they are already suffering.

I wish you well.
 
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Brettzel71

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bird mcbride said:
I used to have that problem. Gut rot all the time. I went for years and I was at a point where I wouldn't even allow my freinds to smoke a cigarette in my house. Quit everything but still needed a roll of tums in my pocket. My lungs were inflamed and conjested. When it first hit me a bunch of old ww2 vets at the local barbershop told be to gargle with a little bleach in some warm water. I thought they were flipin' crazy. When I got in my fourties I was on my death bed with this thing. Doctors had failed me. Then I remembered what the old dudes said at the barber shop who had since passed away. All's I can say is they were correct. I no longer have any health problems and I don't gotta gargle with bleach anymore. I can smoke, drink, eat what I want. If all other options fail and you're heading for the box just remember this post. It just might save your life. Getting fungus in your lungs and your gut is a serious issue. The easiest solution to this problem is don't smoke contaminated weed. Would you drink contaminated beer?
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That is a very interesting thing you said....I will be thinking on that. Thanks
 
Schwagstock

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I get that some people just wouldnt end up getting this condition, but I am having a hard time believing this is even a common thing or directly related to cannabis. I, my mother, my best friend, a few patients, my father, have all smoked a minimum of an eight a day ( I often times go well beyond that) and have never had any of these issues, neither has anyone I have known whom is an EXTREMELY heavy smoker. So I find it very hard to believe that its even a slightly common occurrence.....
 
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No one would remove your parathyroid glands unless you had clear signs of parathyroid disease, have you seen your doctor since the vomiting episodes resumed? Smoking anything can cause anyone to vomit, especially if they are suffering from parathyroid disease or its after effects
 
ttystikk

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h2alo1 said:
I have been plagued by gi problems for the past couple years. I went to the er at least 5 times. The doctors ran every test in the book, and couldn't find anything wrong with me. It turns out i went to the er yesterday with the same problem. They ran every test, and couldn't find anything. The doctor then came in and asked me if i smoked marijuana. I told the doctor i smoke marijuana frequently. The doctor told me that in the states where marijuana is legalized for medical use, more people are getting diagnosed with cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome, which is what i was diagnosed with. The symptoms are generally being sick in the morning such as throwing up and abdominal pain. The symptoms usually come in cycles. The theory is that chronic, heavy smokers build up a toxic level of cannabinoids. Has anyone heard of this?
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Yep. Ease back on the weed for a few days and you'll be fine.

Edit; saw I was responding to an old post! I do feel a bit like this occasionally. When I do, I slow down smoking pot for a bit and I'm fine.
 
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Dat Dank

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Blaming marijuana for your symptoms is not realistic. There could be a handful of reasons leading up to what the opening threader had mentioned regarding his conditions. Poor diet, not enough sleep, and not exercising are reasons that are far too often overlooked in any doctor's diagnosis....Simply blaming marijuana after your doctor concluded you were a "chronic user", seems stupid to me.
 
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gb123

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cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome


huh. Ya learn something new every day.. :)
Who coined it that name and how did they come up with their proof?
Sounds like a 'mind issue' to me. Doesn't mean the person is crazy. MMJ may not be for them. We're all different and I'm sure there are some who are allergic to MMJ.' allergy's can show over time as well. Seems more likely to give them the benefit of the doubt eh.
I don't know any myself but ...ya never know.
 
Dr.Pecker

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If you ask me I think the doctors cant find a reason for the problem because they are incompetent so they look at the bloodwork and yup it must be the gonja.
 
Dr.Pecker

Dr.Pecker

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Have you ever been dehydrated? you would have the same symptoms. I have found no official study nor have I found any actual evidence supporting Wallaces and his colleagues claims. This research is no more than 7 years old. you would think in the thousands of years people have been using cannabis you would have seen these cases before. On that note with the rise of cannabis legalization doctors are grasping at straws to try do keep it illegal because big pharma is in their back pocket. drs aren't in the business to cure they are in the business to treat symptoms. Think about this if you were a doctor would you want patients treating themselves?This is nothing more than a scare campaign to keep voters on the fence.
 
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