Do Not Talk to the Police

EnderSlenderMan said:

Hi I need some advice. First off I am a prescription holder for medical marijuana in the state of Connecticut. Yesterday after receiving my month supply I was in my car and parked at a park and ride. While parked an officer with a sniffing dog was checking exhaust for marijuana smell. He came to my car and to sum it up he took all 4 oz's (which as far as I know I'm allowed to have in my possession as it's my month supply. I was not smoking it at the time). I didn't think I had my id or patient card on me (later realized I did) but I explained to the officer that I am a patient and that my house is right up the road, that I could have my brother bring it but he took my phone from me. He searched my car (not very well might I add). All in all he tried to intimidate me saying how he could bring me to jail but it was the end of his shift so he didn't want to and wrote me a ticket for $150 (which again as I understand is the ticket for a non patient possessing a half oz so it doesn't seem right). So I'm really confused and I kind of feel like I just got robbed by a cop. Any thoughts? I'll update this later in more detail I just wanted to make a quick post since I have a busy day ahead of me.

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ayr0n said:

100% don't ever give them the info they're phishing for. My mom (and me) learned this the hard way when I was a little shit head. I saw them roll up in the driveway, told her to say I wasn't home - they acted polite and said they just wanted to ask a couple questions - she let em in.. I was young and dumb so I tried to protect my friend who was involved and incriminated myself (turns out he was the one that snitched...pretty ironic). They didn't even have sufficient evidence for an arrest, no warrant or nothing, prior to coming in the house. Hauled me off that night...GG.

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Gramaw said:

It's not exactly true that they will use "no more, no less", but I understand your point.

This is an area in which I can honestly say that I am an expert (unlike grow topics...), and though I've not yet watched the video, I'm itchin' to post. Rogue cops are my WORST nightmare, not only for personal reasons, but -- professionally -- they make my job insanely frustrating.

We no longer live in a society in the US where our laws (including our constitutional rights) actually protect us. The sad fact is that the police and everyone else in the prosecutorial chain WILL FUCK YOU OVER if that's what they want to do. It doesn't matter how much money you spend on a lawyer. It doesn't matter how badly the cops violated your rights. It doesn't matter what you said or didn't say. If they decide they are out to get you, they will lie, cheat, plant evidence, conspire, go to no ends to make their case. I see it happen EVERY day.

Nothing ticks off a cop more than to face someone who knows their rights. And once you make a cop mad, you're screwed. Here are two stories:

Cops came to my door once because they had "heard" that I had a grow room. "We need to search the premises, Mam," they said, as they tried to step into my front door. I said, "I assume, then, that you have a warrant?" "We don't need a warrant. We have probable cause," they lied (because they CAN LEGALLY LIE). "Besides, if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem?" I said, "The problem is that this is my home and you are strangers. I don't allow strangers into my home, and I certainly don't allow strangers to go through my personal belongings. It's called 'a right to privacy'. When you have a warrant, I'll be happy to let you in." He got red in the face, and started with the threats. "We won't wait for you to let us in. We'll show up with a full team and a battering ram, and we'll not only bust down your front door [an obviously VERY expensive double door], we'll bust it up. We'll rip the shit out of every room in this house. Is that what you want?" "What I want is to see a warrant, Sir." Bad Cop #1 then says to Bad Cop #2, "Sounds like she wants us to tear up this door." To which I replied, "I wouldn't put you through the trouble of breaking down the door. You bring that warrant and the doors will be standing wide open for you when you return."

I left the doors open wide all day long, until dark. The cops didn't return. But, for the next 4 years -- until I finally moved to get away from the harrassment -- they CONSTANTLY caused trouble for me and for all of my young adult kids. I even considered a civil suit, but frankly I just wanted to move and have it all behind me. It was a small town, and they are the WORST for this kind of thing.

As for remaining silent if you're pulled over other than to refuse a search, most police now call for the dogs. The legal defense that they don't have probable cause to detain you while everyone waits for the dog to arrive (which is a GOOD defense and SHOULD force the judge to drop the charges) is completely ignored by the judicial system. Cops say they smell weed (whether or not they do), you don't let them search, the dog comes out, and REGARDLESS of whether the dog picks up a scent, the cops will SAY that the dog picked up a scent. They search, and if they find something, they'll really push it because you didn't let them search in the first place. In our state, you are completely screwed if you are pulled over and the cops want to search. It's a lose-lose situation. In fact, most of the time you are better off saying, "Yeah, I've got a small bag under the seat and a pipe in the glove box, but that's it." In those instances, when there's just a little weed and/or paraphenalia, a cop is more likely to confiscate it (for personal use) and let you go with a warning. But if you don't cooperate and the dogs are called out, you're busted and you're going to jail. Period.

I am a big fan of the police dash-cam, but even those are manipulated in favor of the cops. Which brings me to Story #2: In a case where a disabled autistic boy was accused of pointing a gun at a cop, the dash cam WOULD have proved his innocence. Instead, the cops said that their dash cams weren't working properly. Two cars, two cams, and NEITHER was working properly. Yeah, right. The boy was being questioned without his parents there allegedly because someone in the apt complex reported seeing him slash car tires. When the parents showed up and offered that the boy was with them at a church event when the tires were slashed, with at least 100 witnesses, the cops should have left. Instead, they threw the boy to the ground and began to beat him, stating that he'd pointed a gun at them !!!! While the boy was being beaten in the head -- a head which contains the brain which was already damaged from infant trauma -- the mother screamed and screamed until the officer said, "Shut the fuck up or I'll arrest you, too!" The mother called 911, not knowing what else to do, saying, "2 cops are beating up my autistic child for absolutely no reason!!!" She was told "This line is for emergencies only," and then the operator hung up. By the time she hung up with 911, her mentally and physically disabled son was beaten and tazed until he'd pee'd his pants and lay unconscious. So why did this crazy story happen? Turned out that the boy's mother had filed a noise complaint against her neighbor, and the neighbor was a cop -- a little fact she didn't know until after this happened. At the trial, the cops testified that the boy had to be tazed because he kicked the cop car door so hard that it bent and broke the door. What they didn't know was that the boy has a neuromuscular disease affecting his legs, that he wears full leg braces just to be able to walk, and that he was physically incapable of kicking anything, much less kicking so hard that he could bend a car door from the inside out!

At the trial, the judge told the boy, "I believe you have told us the truth. You are a very credible, polite young man. I'm sorry this happened to you." He then pronounced him guilty of 2 felonies. No lie. Totally true story. To this day, the boy has night terrors and is scared to death of cops. And now he not only has to deal with the hardships of autism and the inability to walk (he has since lost the use of his legs entirely), he now has 2 felonies on his record.

I hate cops. I hate the judicial system of which I am a part. I fight the fight, but it's no longer what it used to be. There's no justice in it anymore. There's nothing "fair" about it anymore. Laws and rights are useless when you're up against the hypocrisy of our judicial system. It's all about pleas and fees. Nothing more. Revenue for the state and/or feds, and/or vendettas by the local cops who are often acting out of a 'roid rage (steroid use to beef up).

Freedom doesn't exist in the US anymore. We're not protected or safe anymore -- and the reason is the cops, and absolutely not peace loving weed smokers and disabled kids...

I will get off my soap box now. This is definitely a topic that raises my blood pressure.

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schuylaar said:

and there's even a special card for that..after my encounter from the local boys on a "tip" after i visited my hydro..i toddled myself over to google and looked up a criminal lawyer that specializes in "police removal" after you've been infested..sorry boys, neem will not work on them..put him in my phone and as life would have it he's in the suite next to my regular attorney..i dropped by to say "hi" and grabbed one of those cards for those nasty times when po-po come a calling so you don't even have to say a word..all you have to remember is your wallet and men in general are good with that.

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GroErr said:

Great point, the lawyer you choose has to be a bull-dog type and specifically deal with criminal law, ideally in the area of drug convictions, and MUST practice in your area. Good local lawyers have a reputation, and that reputation is well known by the local cops if he/she is any good. They've probably had to deal with them at some point and they already know they better have their act and evidence straight before trying to bully you. Just handing them their card can be enough to deter a cowboy-type cop.

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schuylaar said:

not really..it's always those CLOSEST to you and i don't mean your online friends.

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schuylaar said:

i was talking to another attorney in his office and he said he has a client which the same thing happened..guy went to hydro and they FOLLOWED the guy to his house..

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BIOHazard87 said:

Just watched it, but what am I supposed to say if a cop wants to talk to me?

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Garden Knowm said:

"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

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hellmutt bones said:

Is it on youtoube cause i cant see it through the link.

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BIOHazard87 said:

Just watched it, but what am I supposed to say if a cop wants to talk to me?

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Garden Knowm said:

"Don't Talk to the Police" by Professor James Duane

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Stoney McFried said:

Same applies for any of you who may have kids and if you have an asshole ex who may try to get protective services on you.You do NOT have to let them in.Insist on a meeting at their office.They will try to trick you.No warrant, no entry.

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ayr0n said:

That's pretty crazy...still don't get why law enforcement has a hard on for MJ when there's so much more shit going on out there

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