Do we need more information on seed packs?

since1991

since1991

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What is that red dragon or blue or dragons blood gear all about? Ive heard the names passed around but have no clue what the strains are??? Another newish one i clueless about is sunshine sherbert??? Whats the dealy on that one??
 
morgwar

morgwar

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since1991 said:
What is that red dragon or blue or dragons blood gear all about? Ive heard the names passed around but have no clue what the strains are??? Another newish one i clueless about is sunshine sherbert??? Whats the dealy on that one??
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I've been eyeballin it too doing some research, trying to get off the chem diesel trip and expand my horizons.
 
too larry

too larry

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I'm friends with a couple of breeders. One of them is kind of high up in the market, and does serious testing. Lots of pictures and video, as well as commentary on which mothers and fathers were used and why. His prices reflect it, but his gear is in high demand.

My other friend is more of a gentleman breeder. He will buy 3-4 10 packs each of 3-4 strains and pop them all. He picks the best males and female from each and does several crosses. Then he sells the seeds for very cheap, mostly to friends. All he wants to make is his seed money back. He does post pictures, but not as often, or the same quality. I can afford this one, but have to let friends buy the other, and make crosses of their own, which they give me.

{I did not read all 8 pages of this thread}
 
morgwar

morgwar

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too larry said:
I'm friends with a couple of breeders. One of them is kind of high up in the market, and does serious testing. Lots of pictures and video, as well as commentary on which mothers and fathers were used and why. His prices reflect it, but his gear is in high demand.

My other friend is more of a gentleman breeder. He will buy 3-4 10 packs each of 3-4 strains and pop them all. He picks the best males and female from each and does several crosses. Then he sells the seeds for very cheap, mostly to friends. All he wants to make is his seed money back. He does post pictures, but not as often, or the same quality. I can afford this one, but have to let friends buy the other, and make crosses of their own, which they give me.

{I did not read all 8 pages of this thread}
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I love to hear that because I believe we have a duty to help improve these plants.
Even if its only picking the best out of ten, its still improvement.
I hope to fall somewhere between your two friends in methods some day.
 
too larry

too larry

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I'm not a breeder, but I make seeds. I'm in a hostile state, so no chance to do huge pheno searches. But I do try to pick the best males and females from the few I have.

morgwar said:
I love to hear that because I believe we have a duty to help improve these plants.
Even if its only picking the best out of ten, its still improvement.
I hope to fall somewhere between your two friends in methods some day.
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morgwar

morgwar

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They act like they're the only ones that can get the right genes from a plant.
I get to sounding like a broken record but growing up I worked for a seed company that bred sunflowers and canola.
Canola is a very stable plant physically, almost no deviation from one plant to the next physically. So you have to measure growth rates of marked limbs on thousands of prospects over an entire growing season, collect pollen, and then ship it out for lab tests on oil content and quality.
Compared to that breeding cannabis is like playing poker with a 12 year old.
The plant physically displays a large amount of its traits.
From what I learned of genetics in my field, I can take a pack of any breeders f1s
Inbreed a good healthy male and female
Take the seeds plant them and get that f1s entire lineage to genotype out of f2.
Out of 50 seeds you'll find a hand full of good candidates and move forward recreating ANY of its parents or grand parents.
Seriously, we learned how to do this shortly after the Paleolithic era
The hermie thing is bulls5it too
all cannabis varieties will herm by various environmental stimuli, the trait is as intrinsic to its DNA as atp production or hydrolisis is to its cellular function.
It can't be bred out, just made less likely.

Ha! Rant over I feel better.
 
since1991

since1991

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morgwar said:
They act like they're the only ones that can get the right genes from a plant.
I get to sounding like a broken record but growing up I worked for a seed company that bred sunflowers and canola.
Canola is a very stable plant physically, almost no deviation from one plant to the next physically. So you have to measure growth rates of marked limbs on thousands of prospects over an entire growing season, collect pollen, and then ship it out for lab tests on oil content and quality.
Compared to that breeding cannabis is like playing poker with a 12 year old.
The plant physically displays a large amount of its traits.
From what I learned of genetics in my field, I can take a pack of any breeders f1s
Inbreed a good healthy male and female
Take the seeds plant them and get that f1s entire lineage to genotype out of f2.
Out of 50 seeds you'll find a hand full of good candidates and move forward recreating ANY of its parents or grand parents.
Seriously, we learned how to do this shortly after the Paleolithic era
The hermie thing is bulls5it too
all cannabis varieties will herm by various environmental stimuli, the trait is as intrinsic to its DNA as atp production or hydrolisis is to its cellular function.
It can't be bred out, just made less likely.

Ha! Rant over I feel better.
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Hell yeah. Good post!!!
 
too larry

too larry

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morgwar said:
They act like they're the only ones that can get the right genes from a plant.
I get to sounding like a broken record but growing up I worked for a seed company that bred sunflowers and canola.
Canola is a very stable plant physically, almost no deviation from one plant to the next physically. So you have to measure growth rates of marked limbs on thousands of prospects over an entire growing season, collect pollen, and then ship it out for lab tests on oil content and quality.
Compared to that breeding cannabis is like playing poker with a 12 year old.
The plant physically displays a large amount of its traits.
From what I learned of genetics in my field, I can take a pack of any breeders f1s
Inbreed a good healthy male and female
Take the seeds plant them and get that f1s entire lineage to genotype out of f2.
Out of 50 seeds you'll find a hand full of good candidates and move forward recreating ANY of its parents or grand parents.
Seriously, we learned how to do this shortly after the Paleolithic era
The hermie thing is bulls5it too
all cannabis varieties will herm by various environmental stimuli, the trait is as intrinsic to its DNA as atp production or hydrolisis is to its cellular function.
It can't be bred out, just made less likely.

Ha! Rant over I feel better.
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I worked for a grain seed grower. We grew just about every kind of grain there is. But we were mostly into grass seeds. The dude had 1000 acre farm, plus we bought grass seed from other farmers. I spent a lot of time drying, sorting, cleaning and bagging seeds.
 
morgwar

morgwar

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too larry said:
I worked for a grain seed grower. We grew just about every kind of grain there is. But we were mostly into grass seeds. The dude had 1000 acre farm, plus we bought grass seed from other farmers. I spent a lot of time drying, sorting, cleaning and bagging seeds.
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They pay teenagers to do that up in the Dakota's, its like second nature to some.
In fact its likely in human genetics as a whole.
More people need to try their agrarian skill,
Gardening is a gentleman's or a lady's art.
Its more than growing product, its a show of pride and as lightgreen put it hard work.
That's why your seed packaging is important it showcases your dedication to your trade!
 
too larry

too larry

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morgwar said:
They pay teenagers to do that up in the Dakota's, its like second nature to some.
In fact its likely in human genetics as a whole.
More people need to try their agrarian skill,
Gardening is a gentleman's or a lady's art.
Its more than growing product, its a show of pride and as lightgreen put it hard work.
That's why your seed packaging is important it showcases your dedication to your trade!
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I wasn't far from being a teenager when I did that job. lol It was 30+ years ago.

I spend a good part of most days in my garden. Poor folks can't afford to spend their time in such a manner. Here is some squash the BIL turned me on to.

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morgwar

morgwar

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too larry said:
I wasn't far from being a teenager when I did that job. lol It was 30+ years ago.

I spend a good part of most days in my garden. Poor folks can't afford to spend their time in such a manner. Here is some squash the BIL turned me on to.

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Mods probably won't let us swap squash seeds lol! those leaves are really robust and looking at your soil they'd do as well in my garden. I'm working with a sandy loam, been building it up 5 yrs with fresh alfalfa dug in spring and fall.
Great medium to work with and nice ph.
 
too larry

too larry

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morgwar said:
Mods probably won't let us swap squash seeds lol! those leaves are really robust and looking at your soil they'd do as well in my garden. I'm working with a sandy loam, been building it up 5 yrs with fresh alfalfa dug in spring and fall.
Great medium to work with and nice ph.
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I'm on a sand hill. Gardening is a bitch if the rain stops. I do add soil mix and mulch, but with 2 acre garden it's slow going.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Virgin Thumb said:
Im not trying to bash you or anything.....but IMO, this mentality is why the powers to be (corruption aside) do not take MMJ as seriously as they should even though weed is proven to be medicinally beneficial.

Coming across professionally, which is NOT the norm in the MMJ market, could do wonders for the movement. You think traditional medicinal creationists "didnt feel like releasing those details?" All im saying is being professional or helping the industry become more professional as a whole adds to legitimacy. IMO, being as detailed as possible about what some use as medicine helps the whole industry out on both sides.
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What if I don't want someone knowing how I made my seeds.

I mean there has to secrecy.

I mean if you want every pack that stable you might as well hand the whole industry to the likes of Monsanto.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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morgwar said:
For me the whole point of buying is to find genetic tidbits to add to my stock, or start something new.
But any good breeder will tell you you can make fire from bagseed.
Look at chemdog for chrisakes.
If they don't want to share what they did to get it, then there's no point buying it.
Check out pua mana seeds, they have tons of info, show obvious pride in their product.
No info on em here but the website tells us everything we need to know.
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Maybe some breeders don't want others stealing their work.


This isn't rocket science. The info on a breeders pack has never been the deciding factor when I choose to buy a new strain.

I click on a new strain and if it catches my eye, I open a new tab and do a search for grow and smoke reports.

I might even check seedfinder sometimes.
 
Jp.the.pope

Jp.the.pope

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Even the like s2/3 fems I have are unreal.

Closest I've seen in CO is that clone only cut of deathstar. Denver Diesel is MUCH better IMO, and I'm not a diesel guy.
 
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