do you lose respect for celebs endorsing a politician?

Red1966

Well-Known Member
Here we are, talking about our views on politics. Many of us have a variety of jobs. Many of us like the ganja, while there appear to be some who don't (weird, that one). So I think to myself when reading something by ChesusRice "what a fucking loon!" (j/k Chesus).

Imagine the same thing while I watch the boob tube as audio-visual data is streamed in from space. If I disagree with someone, I disagree. But I don't begrudge them of their chosen career. They are paid to entertain us in movies, TV, and music, not give political commentary on the same level of someone who actually knows the facts. So their opinions don't mean anything to me other how I might agree or disagree.

Would you tip a waiter less if you knew his political views were opposed to yours? Simply for that alone, even if he provided excellent service? Treat the hollywood types the same way.
If he insulted me because I didn't agree with him, then he's not getting a dime from me.
 

lokie

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i have no faith in someone that can not make up their own mind biased solely on the merits and ideas for the future of our children.

renumber your children are in-part a parcel of this election. you want it free . your grand kids will pay for it if this trainwreak is not stoped.


fame and fortune dous not make one inteligent.
 

ginwilly

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I worry about a populace that says on one hand a rich candidate couldn't possibly understand my needs and wants, so I'll listen to what this rich person (that I like) says.

It makes more sense to me to listen to what doctors say about the health care bill over what a George Clooney says about it, but our voting public sees things differently.

I don't think less of the celebrity for making the endorsement, i think less of the public who gives that endorsement any weight.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
two people on this site speak incessantly about Stormfront, it's played out by now hasn't it?
I guess not... Never even been to the site but UB constantly quotes from it so he must be surfing there pretty regularly...
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
To answer the question... I dont really pay attention who Celebs endorse or do not endorse.

They have every right to their opinions just like I have every right not to care what they think.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
two people on this site speak incessantly about Stormfront, it's played out by now hasn't it?
I think they're just showing red1966 for what he really is. A racist bigot.
I mean the proof is right there, he hasn't denied it, he can't deny it.

It's clear for any rational person to see that whatever he writes cannot be trusted like you would trust a sane person.
I think it's fair for UB to stand up to the racist twat that is red1966, he deserves to be outed for his ridiculous opinions.

What's slightly frightening is that many of the other ignorant people on this forum, like freedom and nxlsk, hold the almost exact same opinions as the racist bigot.
Can we deduce something from this perchance? Is there a correlation between ignorance and racism or maybe xenophobia?

I wonder..
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
I think they're just showing red1966 for what he really is. A racist bigot.
I mean the proof is right there, he hasn't denied it, he can't deny it.

It's clear for any rational person to see that whatever he writes cannot be trusted like you would trust a sane person.
I think it's fair for UB to stand up to the racist twat that is red1966, he deserves to be outed for his ridiculous opinions.

What's slightly frightening is that many of the other ignorant people on this forum, like freedom and nxlsk, hold the almost exact same opinions as the racist bigot.
Can we deduce something from this perchance? Is there a correlation between ignorance and racism or maybe xenophobia?

I wonder..
The first thing I would like to point out is that everyone here is anonymous. There is a significant chance that Red1966 is not the same red as over on stormfront and in addition, there is a chance that some dishonest person here created the account to discredit red.

One of the favorite tactics of people like K0jin, UB, Cheesy, etc. is to label someone racist and then fell like everything said can be discounted based on that judgement. Which makes it really hard to have a discussion on this forum.

What is frightening is that people use disgusting tactics like this because they cannot have a straight up debate and hope to win.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
wait a minute there slick....

i don't really appreciate their music, his voice i could do without, but outside of the stage Bono has been one of the most influential and successful humanitarians in modern history.

a crusader, he could have well decided to be a 'brett michaels' or a 'tommy lee' you know, one of those good ol' american rockers, that spend their days and their money at the playboy mansion, instead he chooses to spend a whole lot of time trying to better the lives of thousands of Africans.

I find him annoying on stage, i don't really like U2, but Bono the person, Bono the human.... there's few like him....
bono is a multimillionaire who loves philanthropy, as long as it is done with other people's money. plus he is a twat.

Gordon Sumner (Sting) is also a celebrity, a liberal, and a philanthropist but he is NOT a media whore, he does not expect the UN or the US to fund his campaigns to increase his personal media profile, and he can sing.

Sting kicks Bono's ass every day of the week.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
The first thing I would like to point out is that everyone here is anonymous. There is a significant chance that Red1966 is not the same red as over on stormfront and in addition, there is a chance that some dishonest person here created the account to discredit red.

One of the favorite tactics of people like K0jin, UB, Cheesy, etc. is to label someone racist and then fell like everything said can be discounted based on that judgement. Which makes it really hard to have a discussion on this forum.

What is frightening is that people use disgusting tactics like this because they cannot have a straight up debate and hope to win.

Are you sure it's "significant" when he has the same nick, started the users at almost the same moment in time and has the same views?
I don't think it's a coincidence. The variables are too alike and his lack of a proper defense of his actions are pitiful.

It doesn't take a lot of brainpower to figure out these two "red1966s" are extremely alike.

Of course there might be a chance someone created the account only to discredit red1966.
That seems very far fetched though. I don't know who has the time to go through that just to be able to say someone is a racist bigot.
I mean that would defeat the whole purpose in the first place.

Oh is that my favourite tactic? Now you know me intimately?
I have never called anyone a racist on this forum other than red1966 whom it seems is a racist.
I mean there is a lot larger chance of it actually being his account than there is someone would create that account just to discredit him.

If the latter is true, why haven't said person created an account on stormfront with your nick? Or freedomguys nick?

All I said was that if it's true red1966 the same as the stormfront account then he surely is a racist.
And if he is a racist and a bigot then there is no need to pay attention to anything he writes.
He has lost all credibility.

We already have debated you ignorant fools straight up.
But you guys twist everything around, you change the subject, you dig up useless information and call it credible.
You do all these evasive maneuvers to try to get your point across even though you have been thoroughly discredited.
In many ways it's like arguing with a religious person.
You are so stuck in your personal opinion and your beliefs that you can't even acknowledge when facts are dumped on your face.

That's why we don't take you seriously.
You are so delusional by nature, little of what you write makes sense.


I don't hate any of you, I'm not even angry or upset.
I'm just amazed at the ignorance that keeps floating around.

It's the same situation as when I argued against pre-harvest flushing.
Even though proper scientifically backed up facts are used, some people just don't even want to listen or read it.
They just deny everything which isn't backing up their opinion.

I can't be arsed to discuss pertinent subjects with people like this, it's a waste of time.
Because no matter how many facts or how much reason and logic one applies to the discussion, the subject will be twisted or it will be ignored or you will claim to have proved something wrong when in fact you did nothing of the sort.
I mean there is absolutely nothing to gain from this because you are so entrenched in your view.

I'd like to stress that I'm not a republican or a democrat, or even a lib.
I don't even live in the US.

I just speak up for reason. Because it amazes me to see so much ignorance taken so seriously.
It amazes me to see people proclaim all sorts of facts and truths when in fact they did nothing more than sprout they delusional thoughts.

What is frightening is that people can speak their ignorance and "facts" and think they really hit the nail in the coffin, when in fact it's clear for any rational person to see that all they achieved was the same all dung beetles achieve, they got to push their shit around for a while and stunk up the place with excrement.
 

nitro harley

Well-Known Member
My wife and I were just talking about enertainers getting to political........When the dixie chicks were flappen there lip's I took there CD that I got as a gift and threw it like a frisby into a 30kt wind in the pacific ocean.........Entertianing is one thing.... and flappen there lip's to help a political party is probably not the greatest thing to do.... .................IMO................nitro...
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
tl;dr.......................
Wow.. And you said we wouldn't discuss the issues with you guys because we had no chance of winning the argument?

This is what you wrote:

What is frightening is that people use disgusting tactics like this because they cannot have a straight up debate and hope to win.

I think you just proved how dumb a statement that was.

I basically just tore down your entire illusion, I debated you straight up and all you had to say was "tl;dr", you just gave up.
I think we'll leave it at that shall we?
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Wow.. And you said we wouldn't discuss the issues with you guys because we had no chance of winning the argument?

This is what you wrote:




I think you just proved how dumb a statement that was.

I basically just tore down your entire illusion, I debated you straight up and all you had to say was "tl;dr", you just gave up.
I think we'll leave it at that shall we?
Just jerking you chain... LOL!!! You are so touchy...

You wrote about 20 paragraphs to say what I said in one sentence.

You label Red1966 a racist and bigot and discount everything he says. You attack the poster and not the issues. You completely reinforced my point and spent a shitload of characters doing it.

Good job!! *golfclaps*
 
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