Do you support or oppose the Iran nuclear deal?

Do you support or oppose the Iran nuclear deal?

  • I support the deal

    Votes: 6 35.3%
  • I oppose the deal

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 11.8%

  • Total voters
    17
They don`t like that when we won the big one, we had the spoils and placed Israel. They were too busy obeying Nazi ass to matter then, now, they have selectively forgotten and want their shit back.
We won the big one? False. The target then turned to Russia, and CIA put nazi's on the pay role for intel. Nazi's didnt abandoned there national socialist views, and they propagated further in our government. we didnt get to where we are today overnight good sir. the military industrial complex threatens your personal safety, period. blowback. if a socialists calls me isolationist they will never address how free market people are for OPEN TRADE.....to engage in voluntary trade that benefits both partys is always a good way to make friends.
 
dude do you realize what you just said ?? before invading iraq it took months billions of pounds of gear weapons etc you going to fight someone in there back yard
Truth is NATO USA would in fact get there ass handed to them right now
ask your self why nato didnt do anything in ukraine ??
USA looks tough when they fighting someone that really doesn't fight back truth is you will not have air superiority ground troops will be sunk in atlantic lets not forget Russia has bad ass subs you think there going to let fleets of ships bring supplies to attack them lol think again
right now I usa and russia got into it USA would not stand a chance right now you do not have the capability russia can have everything there in 24 hrs at its borders
Truthfully spEaking China , pakistan, india will not stand and watch who side do you think there on ??? wtf man truth is you will start a fight which will be your last fight Russia will own you
like i said before usa will run and hide behind nato


Simply put,....

The Iraqi Command had set up the infamous million man heavily armed Army along the coast to repel a US led landing invasion.
Stupid move.

The US showed up with two Battleships and a barge, ...wiped them out overnight. Yea, they know what they are doing......

Thinking that a hundred G-5 would frighten a BB skipper is proof of their stupidity.
 
We won the big one? False. The target then turned to Russia, and CIA put nazi's on the pay role for intel. Nazi's didnt abandoned there national socialist views, and they propagated further in our government. we didnt get to where we are today overnight good sir. the military industrial complex threatens your personal safety, period. blowback. if a socialists calls me isolationist they will never address how free market people are for OPEN TRADE.....to engage in voluntary trade that benefits both partys is always a good way to make friends.


So who won the ...'Big one"....? Please.
 
Exceptions that prove the rule. Elect a Democratic state government and I'll reconsider.
You have a long list to weed through. Way more democrats have been elected. Let me know who you like best so I can learn something too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Texas

....oh wait i just realized you said "Democratic state government" so in your scenerio all 3 branches have to align to democrat rule? wow...so like a "one state order" instead of "one world order?"
 
You have a long list to weed through. Way more democrats have been elected. Let me know who you like best so I can learn something too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Texas

....oh wait i just realized you said "Democratic state government" so in your scenerio all 3 branches have to align to democrat rule? wow...so like a "one state order" instead of "one world order?"

Yeah, perpetually redistricting themselves into power, kind of like republicans in Michigan and elsewhere.
 
So who won the ...'Big one"....? Please.
Great question. Lets think. People always die on both sides. Countries are destroyed, but dont fall for the broken window fallacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

So counting the losers is easy. Its the common people. They go fight, and they are where the destruction happens. How do we define winner? The guy who gets what he wants? Depends on what you want. If you want evil Hitler out, call it a win. If you want to get extremely rich from war, the banks win. Even when its the private companies behind the wars, the banks win, because those private companies have insane loans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
 
Yeah, perpetually redistricting themselves into power, kind of like republicans in Michigan and elsewhere.
If you say so, then i accept it as so.
Abraham Lincoln order 39 native americans killed in Minnesota during his presidency.

2 gangs. Blood's & Crips. Both engage in similar activities, and are rivals solely due to the fact they operate within the same industries. Deeply hate each other. Often gang violence erupts.
Can you name the Navy Seal who dubbed them reBLOODlicans and demoCRIPS? HINT: he wasnt on the bin ladin misison.

A great documentary on GOP rigged elections:
 
Great question. Lets think. People always die on both sides. Countries are destroyed, but dont fall for the broken window fallacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

So counting the losers is easy. Its the common people. They go fight, and they are where the destruction happens. How do we define winner? The guy who gets what he wants? Depends on what you want. If you want evil Hitler out, call it a win. If you want to get extremely rich from war, the banks win. Even when its the private companies behind the wars, the banks win, because those private companies have insane loans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket





How about this approach ?

Germany surrendered to the USA after losing their war to the USA,.. then,... Japan surrendered to the USA after they lost their war to the USA.

The USA did not get what they wanted, the USA wanted to stay out of the European war.

Your statement that the USA did not win WWII shows a lot about you.

So how do you define the winner of a war, you take the one that everyone in that war surrendered to, and say,....winner.
 
If you say so, then i accept it as so.
Abraham Lincoln order 39 native americans killed in Minnesota during his presidency.

2 gangs. Blood's & Crips. Both engage in similar activities, and are rivals solely due to the fact they operate within the same industries. Deeply hate each other. Often gang violence erupts.
Can you name the Navy Seal who dubbed them reBLOODlicans and demoCRIPS? HINT: he wasnt on the bin ladin misison.

A great documentary on GOP rigged elections:


That sounds like ,...The Mouth....
 
it's time we quit telling other countries how to operate. for a country originally built on freedom to run around dictating to the world is self defeating. to do it on borrowed money is beyond the scope of absurdity.
 
THis is all leading to Russia has anyone forgotten ?? that russia Is literally a MUSLIM state ?? why has not USA deemed them on the axis of evil lol ? and now usa is upset russia is getting involved ?? Actually i love it .
Russia is fed up like almost ever other country including usa's allies there sick of usa aggression sorry but its true ..
This nuke deal with iran is a fucking joke all lies and BS usa pretty much is known not to be trusted way to go guys ?? yeah fucked up yer again .

Russia is not a Muslim state. Islam constitutes around 6-14% of Russia, whereas 41% of Russians consider themselves to be Orthodox Christians (being a part of the Russian Orthodox Church). The Russian Orthodox Church plays a very, very large role in the every day lives of Russian citizens and has even been called a separate branch of power in Russia as they filled an ideological vacuum after the collapse of Communism.

What in your list is done in the name of a God ?

That`s all they have to do in the name of their god to be labeled and cast out. i guess you putting religion in today is a good day to slaughter some Christians or run them over it all started there

Looking forward to USA hospital bombing excuse its coming then you can ask your self why

If you kill in the name of a God, you will be hated by the world. So, who is still killing in the name of Gods ?
What is USA killing for ????

A little hard for me to understand, but...

"Russia’s powerful Orthodox Church on Wednesday voiced support for Moscow’s decision to carry out air strikes in Syria against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group, calling it a “holy battle.”

“The fight with terrorism is a holy battle and today our country is perhaps the most active force in the world fighting it,” said the head of the Church’s public affairs department, Vsevolod Chaplin, quoted by Interfax news agency."

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Christopher Columbus' intent for his journeys was to land in or near India, and then proceed to use force to take all the gold he could from them. He traveled by boat. It is possible to reach India if you go through the middle-east by land. They knew this, yet traveled the deadly seas. What does this tell us? They knew you have better odds of surviving the seas (without combustion engines mind you) than crossing through the middle east. So next Columbus day when all the liberals are crying about what he did here, just use that as a reminder of what gold hungry Spain was possible of doing, yet avoided the middle east. Common sense really.

The preferred natural resource most easily converted into currency has changed since then, and the geopolitical circumstances have been changed accordingly.

Christopher Columbus wanted to sail west to land near India was because Portugal was going to gain a monopoly on the spice and silk trade as they were establishing routes around the Cape of Good Hope which is notoriously treacherous (it was called the Cape of Storms before). The reason why this south-eastern trade route was being developed was at one point with the Pax Mongolica Europeans had a relatively safe route to spices and silks from India and China via the Silk Road, and it's important to note here that this went through many Muslim countries and through the Middle East. After the bubonic plague broke out, the Mongols could no longer exert control over their trade network and the khanate shattered. Couple this with the fall of Constantinople in 1453 to the Ottoman Turks, the call for a recapture of Constantinople, and the Turks domination of the trade routes all would lead to inflated prices that the Europeans did not want to pay. So, your assertion that "they would have better odds of surviving the seas than crossing the Middle East," is spurious.

dude do you realize what you just said ?? before invading iraq it took months billions of pounds of gear weapons etc you going to fight someone in there back yard
Truth is NATO USA would in fact get there ass handed to them right now
ask your self why nato didnt do anything in ukraine ??
USA looks tough when they fighting someone that really doesn't fight back truth is you will not have air superiority ground troops will be sunk in atlantic lets not forget Russia has bad ass subs you think there going to let fleets of ships bring supplies to attack them lol think again
right now I usa and russia got into it USA would not stand a chance right now you do not have the capability russia can have everything there in 24 hrs at its borders
Truthfully spEaking China , pakistan, india will not stand and watch who side do you think there on ??? wtf man truth is you will start a fight which will be your last fight Russia will own you
like i said before usa will run and hide behind nato

I've gone over this in another thread. It would be a slugging match for the world to remember, but it takes much longer for Russia to have everything at its borders than 24 hours. Also the naval doctrine of most NATO countries is anti-submarine warfare as the USSR's naval doctrine put submarines as their capital ships and at paramount importance. While it's true that the Kirov class battlecruiser was made with the purpose of slugging it out with a US carrier group, and it theoretically could (the thing is a beast), there's only one Kirov class that's operational. However, the state of the Russian navy right now isn't too good as it's planning to replace 45% of its inventory. I want to reiterate that: Russia's navy has to replace 45% of its inventory. Russia's domestic shipbuilding industry has also been in a decline lately. We have 30,000 troops stationed in Europe, and NATO doctrine unfortunately put a lot of emphasis on using Germany and Italy as a buffer, while the Royal Navy, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway hem in the Baltic and Northern fleets giving the US time to move assets over to Europe via air and sea. Then there's also the fact that a lot of the Baltic countries are swinging towards NATO, and we now have Poland and a lot of Eastern Europe on our side rather than being part of the Soviet bloc like during the Cold War.

India will most likely remain neutral as trade with the US is integral to them. While they may be developing a supersonic cruise missile with Russia, I highly doubt it would be in their best interest to side against the US, especially considering the amount of assets we have near India, and considering that the BrahMos cruise missile costs 2.73 million a pop and is only fitted on 8 ships in the Indian Navy. In regards to Pakistan, only 13% of them view Russia favorably and only 7% of them view Putin with confidence. The United States however is the largest source of foreign aid in Pakistan, and Pakistan's second largest arm supplier after China.

In all reality Russia does not want a fight with the United States, nor do we want a fight with Russia. If it came to this, I can imagine that Russia would do a lot to try to prevent further escalation as would we. To further this view point we can see how the US and Russia are handling being in each other's airspace, "US jets have reportedly been told to keep 20 miles from the Russian jets to avoid getting caught up in clashes..."
 
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All in all the Iran deal is a pretty good one. Iran gets nuclear energy, they get to research how to make reactors for that purpose without doing it in secret and having the military involved which would invariably lead to nuclear weapons. They get some sanctions lifted, they can continue to develop oil for export while using a civilian nuclear program which is important. It will hopefully settle down some of the anti-American rhetoric, and maybe we can begin to foster a closer relationship with Iran, and so can other countries. This will only lead to stability in the region which is also another great thing.
 
We won the big one? False.

The only way this is factually false is if you want to get pedantic and go, "Well the US didn't win, the Allies won," which would make your statement true. However, to say that the United States was not in the victory camp of World War II is just a plain stupid statement. Sorry, but not sorry.
 
Russia is not a Muslim state. Islam constitutes around 6-14% of Russia, whereas 41% of Russians consider themselves to be Orthodox Christians (being a part of the Russian Orthodox Church). The Russian Orthodox Church plays a very, very large role in the every day lives of Russian citizens and has even been called a separate branch of power in Russia as they filled an ideological vacuum after the collapse of Communism.



A little hard for me to understand, but...

"Russia’s powerful Orthodox Church on Wednesday voiced support for Moscow’s decision to carry out air strikes in Syria against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group, calling it a “holy battle.”

“The fight with terrorism is a holy battle and today our country is perhaps the most active force in the world fighting it,” said the head of the Church’s public affairs department, Vsevolod Chaplin, quoted by Interfax news agency."

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Christopher Columbus wanted to sail west to land near India was because Portugal was going to gain a monopoly on the spice and silk trade as they were establishing routes around the Cape of Good Hope which is notoriously treacherous (it was called the Cape of Storms before). The reason why this south-eastern trade route was being developed was at one point with the Pax Mongolica Europeans had a relatively safe route to spices and silks from India and China via the Silk Road, and it's important to note here that this went through many Muslim countries and through the Middle East. After the bubonic plague broke out, the Mongols could no longer exert control over their trade network and the khanate shattered. Couple this with the fall of Constantinople in 1453 to the Ottoman Turks, the call for a recapture of Constantinople, and the Turks domination of the trade routes all would lead to inflated prices that the Europeans did not want to pay. So, your assertion that "they would have better odds of surviving the seas than crossing the Middle East," is spurious.



I've gone over this in another thread. It would be a slugging match for the world to remember, but it takes much longer for Russia to have everything at its borders than 24 hours. Also the naval doctrine of most NATO countries is anti-submarine warfare as the USSR's naval doctrine put submarines as their capital ships and at paramount importance. While it's true that the Kirov class battlecruiser was made with the purpose of slugging it out with a US carrier group, and it theoretically could (the thing is a beast), there's only one Kirov class that's operational. However, the state of the Russian navy right now isn't too good as it's planning to replace 45% of its inventory. I want to reiterate that: Russia's navy has to replace 45% of its inventory. Russia's domestic shipbuilding industry has also been in a decline lately. We have 30,000 troops stationed in Europe, and NATO doctrine unfortunately put a lot of emphasis on using Germany and Italy as a buffer, while the Royal Navy, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway hem in the Baltic and Northern fleets giving the US time to move assets over to Europe via air and sea. Then there's also the fact that a lot of the Baltic countries are swinging towards NATO, and we now have Poland and a lot of Eastern Europe on our side rather than being part of the Soviet bloc like during the Cold War.

India will most likely remain neutral as trade with the US is integral to them. While they may be developing a supersonic cruise missile with Russia, I highly doubt it would be in their best interest to side against the US, especially considering the amount of assets we have near India, and considering that the BrahMos cruise missile costs 2.73 million a pop and is only fitted on 8 ships in the Indian Navy. In regards to Pakistan, only 13% of them view Russia favorably and only 7% of them view Putin with confidence. The United States however is the largest source of foreign aid in Pakistan, and Pakistan's second largest arm supplier after China.

In all reality Russia does not want a fight with the United States, nor do we want a fight with Russia. If it came to this, I can imagine that Russia would do a lot to try to prevent further escalation as would we. To further this view point we can see how the US and Russia are handling being in each other's airspace, "US jets have reportedly been told to keep 20 miles from the Russian jets to avoid getting caught up in clashes..."


 
The only way this is factually false is if you want to get pedantic and go, "Well the US didn't win, the Allies won," which would make your statement true. However, to say that the United States was not in the victory camp of World War II is just a plain stupid statement. Sorry, but not sorry.

For sure you paraded around like it was only you that won world war 2 infact how many years after it started did USA actually enter the war ? why so long ??? to enter was it not infact England pleaded with you guys as they were on the verge of defeat , Sure you sent suppies to Russia
you just have to count human fatalities between russia and USA your right its a no brainer WE all deep down inside know who really won world war 2 sure the hell was not usa
You taught in school about D day as if that was the only important part of the war lol i find it rather amusing and of course stupid to think that
An American in Paris could not imagine that there could be a more important battles than D-Day.
Certainly the Cold War and Stalin's policies have erased from the public mind in the West the scale of losses and the amount of heroism that Russians demonstrated in the war years, 1941-1945.
Today it is more popular to speak about how Russian soldiers raped German and Polish women, or imposed the Soviet regime on the Baltic States. but hey lets forget all about the rape in pillage USA did everywhere they went Vietnam, korea, iraq ????..
While we are talking about the atrocities of the Soviet regime we should not forget that it was Nazi Germany who started the war against the Soviet Union in June of 1941, and that it was the Soviet Union who won the war against Nazi Germany in May of 1945, with the support of American industrial power and Russian human resources combined. Note industrial power you sent supplies thats it ..
You sat there and watch germany own france and did fuck all about it until Your D day which is inbedded in everyones head that ,, D day won the war lol
Remember Usa did not land one person until Russia and England had germany on the run
You guys even stopped shipments as U boats were sinking your ships faster then you were making them hahaha truthfully speaking
I always wondered and read If germany started a war with USA instead oF Russia one would bet USA second language would be german today
 
D Day and the invasion of Italy did win the war though. If the Germans were able to move their panzer divisions out of France and divert them to the Eastern Front against the Russian assault it would've ended up very poorly for the Russians. Even though the Russian tank was superior to the German ones initially, the Pzkpfw VIB Tiger II changed this as it was the heaviest tank the Germans introduced and it could knock out any Allied tank, the Russians did not have combined forces down. They would drive giant columns of tanks at the Germans who would then fight them using infantry, anti-tank guns, tanks, and air. The Soviets had ~110,000 tanks and lost ~84,000. For every German tank the Soviets managed to destroy, the Germans managed to destroy 3-4 Soviet tanks.

Also, Germany began Operation Barbarossa Dec. 18, 1940, and declared war on the United States Dec. 11, 1941.

*Edited to add* Well that being said too, if we just invaded via Normandy and Italy without the Russians pushing on the Germans, it could've gone very badly for the Allies too. I don't think any one nation "won" the war. It was definitely an Allied victory, without everyone working together it would've dragged on a lot longer. Even the British and ANZAC helped out tons in the Pacific theater and that's never really taught here in the US either.
 
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For sure you paraded around like it was only you that won world war 2 infact how many years after it started did USA actually enter the war ? why so long ??? to enter was it not infact England pleaded with you guys as they were on the verge of defeat , Sure you sent suppies to Russia
you just have to count human fatalities between russia and USA your right its a no brainer WE all deep down inside know who really won world war 2 sure the hell was not usa
You taught in school about D day as if that was the only important part of the war lol i find it rather amusing and of course stupid to think that
An American in Paris could not imagine that there could be a more important battles than D-Day.
Certainly the Cold War and Stalin's policies have erased from the public mind in the West the scale of losses and the amount of heroism that Russians demonstrated in the war years, 1941-1945.
Today it is more popular to speak about how Russian soldiers raped German and Polish women, or imposed the Soviet regime on the Baltic States. but hey lets forget all about the rape in pillage USA did everywhere they went Vietnam, korea, iraq ????..
While we are talking about the atrocities of the Soviet regime we should not forget that it was Nazi Germany who started the war against the Soviet Union in June of 1941, and that it was the Soviet Union who won the war against Nazi Germany in May of 1945, with the support of American industrial power and Russian human resources combined. Note industrial power you sent supplies thats it ..
You sat there and watch germany own france and did fuck all about it until Your D day which is inbedded in everyones head that ,, D day won the war lol
Remember Usa did not land one person until Russia and England had germany on the run
You guys even stopped shipments as U boats were sinking your ships faster then you were making them hahaha truthfully speaking
I always wondered and read If germany started a war with USA instead oF Russia one would bet USA second language would be german today



Everyone including England was losing big time til the US got involved, and we didn`t even want to. Battles were won without us,...I think not. skirmishes, yes, but it`s clear you have no idea how powerful the German army was and how close they were to ruling the world. None at all. You have no idea how talented some of the German commanders were.
 
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