Darth Vapour
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i have grown strains that finished earlier 48 days instead of 65 days got lots to do with environment
Does flower time start with flip or first pistol?
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makka
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my point exactly
Darth Vapour
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do i mention estimated times ??? look at my post lol like i said everyones room are different light leaks temps everything can influence or diminish finishing times
makka
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so why is it wrong to start counting when you see very first top bud beggining to form like i said in my post but you called me out on it?
like a said i dont wanna argue i just dont want peoples chopping the shit down to early lol
both ways work hell even not counting works just use a scope lol
like a said i dont wanna argue i just dont want peoples chopping the shit down to early lol
both ways work hell even not counting works just use a scope lol
ttystikk
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Bloom cycle time is counted from the first night they see 12 hours of uninterrupted darkness.
If they're running late, check for light leaks.
makka
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yeah bloom cycle has started and the hormones BEGIN to build up over days/weeks depending on plant age/maturity/seed/clone to a point when its actually imo classed as flowering plant
like a said earlier in my 3rd post
it all depends from seed then could take weeks if not mature when flipped
if its a clone then its mature and usually starts a few days to a week after flip
am i wrong is this not the process???
like a said earlier in my 3rd post
it all depends from seed then could take weeks if not mature when flipped
if its a clone then its mature and usually starts a few days to a week after flip
am i wrong is this not the process???
makka
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or if they are late it may not be mature when flipped
makka
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qwizoking
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There are three physiological developments that must occur in order for "flowering" to take place: firstly, the plant must pass from sexual immaturity into a sexually mature state (i.e. a transition towards flowering); secondly, the transformation of the apical meristem function from a vegetative meristem into a floral meristem or inflorescence, this is all visible once you can see sex appear on the plant.. An external stimulus is then required in order to trigger the differentiation of the meristem into a flower. This stimulus will activate mitotic cell division in the meristem, particularly on its sides where new primordia are formed. This same stimulus will also cause the meristem to follow a developmental pattern that will lead to the floral growth..
Flowering starts with the switch to 12/12 on a mature plant or the critical period length governed by genetics, a plant could flower with 20/4 as some autos do...it does not have to have flowers to be flowering..once its on 12/12 its technically flowering with the build up of hormones, which build up the very first night..the point of observing flowers from flip is different on different strains and cannot be used to give an estimated and generalized flower time with the varying cannabis plants, especially outdoors.
a 12/12 from seed you have to wait for that plant to mature, also depends on genetics but about 3 weeks..
If it doesnt match breeder times that may be on you, they probly have More experience a more controlled environment and very possibly they give the time of the fastest in the batch as is common when giving an estimated cannabinoid content
Flowering starts with the switch to 12/12 on a mature plant or the critical period length governed by genetics, a plant could flower with 20/4 as some autos do...it does not have to have flowers to be flowering..once its on 12/12 its technically flowering with the build up of hormones, which build up the very first night..the point of observing flowers from flip is different on different strains and cannot be used to give an estimated and generalized flower time with the varying cannabis plants, especially outdoors.
a 12/12 from seed you have to wait for that plant to mature, also depends on genetics but about 3 weeks..
If it doesnt match breeder times that may be on you, they probly have More experience a more controlled environment and very possibly they give the time of the fastest in the batch as is common when giving an estimated cannabinoid content
makka
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thankyou for that it has reinforced my beliefs
so basically what i said is Right lol without the fancy words
veg/pre flower which happens in veg under 24hrs light or 18 on
then flip to 12/12 THEN hormones begin to build to a point the plant bursts into flowering.
the exception autoflowers where the light does not diminish the floral hormones it will flower under any light
and just like i said before also plant maturity has an effect on breeders times
i dont see the difference in opion?
qwizoking
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Once it hits 12/12 its flowering. the hormones have built up really after about 10hrs, like i said depending genetics. Your now just waiting for the plant to do its thing and keep growing. Once hormones have built from the flip, the 12hrs. they are then destroyed by light the following day, and another 12 the following night builds that hormone up to levels flowering requires again. Doing this succesively creates the "flower" growth..
times till you see flowers really build vary strain to strain with longer flowering sativas taking longer.
But you cant discount this time as part of flowering or it also throws things off when growing outdoors especially when around other strains. Its no longer in a veg environment
I hope im making sense
times till you see flowers really build vary strain to strain with longer flowering sativas taking longer.
But you cant discount this time as part of flowering or it also throws things off when growing outdoors especially when around other strains. Its no longer in a veg environment
I hope im making sense
old shol4evr
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breeding is breeding those numbers are a estiment not a for sure time it all comes down to trich and how much amber you want for the type of smoke you want more amber more couch loc.
i no for a fact you cant go by those numbers in soil
makka
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so the hormones are forever changing up n down due to the 12/12 on/off but is always high enough to keep the plant flowering i understand this thankyou
i have never had outdoor privelige so i really have no knowledge in that area.
ione thing i realise is EVERYTHING is variable in this game
very good explanation this makes sense and now brought to my attention the fact it only takes around ten hours for hormones to build up in darkness.
so the hormones are forever changing up n down due to the 12/12 on/off but is always high enough to keep the plant flowering i understand this thankyou
i have never had outdoor privelige so i really have no knowledge in that area.
ione thing i realise is EVERYTHING is variable in this game
makka
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so the hormones are forever changing up n down due to the 12/12 on/off but is always high enough to keep the plant flowering i understand this thankyou
i have never had outdoor privelige so i really have no knowledge in that area.
ione thing i realise is EVERYTHING is variable in this game
very good explanation this makes sense and now brought to my attention the fact it only takes around ten hours for hormones to build up in darkness.
so the hormones are forever changing up n down due to the 12/12 on/off but is always high enough to keep the plant flowering i understand this thankyou
i have never had outdoor privelige so i really have no knowledge in that area.
ione thing i realise is EVERYTHING is variable in this game
makka
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perfect sense thankyou.
i was under the understanding once the floral hormone has built to a "certain point" under 12/12 it never falls under the required hormonal needs to continue flowering without stopping (reveg) as long as the light on cycle is not more then 12 on
and its the time it takes to hit this "certain point" which is why it can take extra time to finish overall??
but again i have to flower a week or two longer even tho my plants are vegged for 7 weeks fully mature preflowers in 18/6 in dwc but why??
the plant was mature conditions perfect no light leaks yet went 2 week longer then stated breeder times?
im just trying to fully understand not be an asshole lol
i was under the understanding once the floral hormone has built to a "certain point" under 12/12 it never falls under the required hormonal needs to continue flowering without stopping (reveg) as long as the light on cycle is not more then 12 on
and its the time it takes to hit this "certain point" which is why it can take extra time to finish overall??
but again i have to flower a week or two longer even tho my plants are vegged for 7 weeks fully mature preflowers in 18/6 in dwc but why??
the plant was mature conditions perfect no light leaks yet went 2 week longer then stated breeder times?
im just trying to fully understand not be an asshole lol
sworth
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qwizoking
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Describing the flowering
"The signal is initiated by the production of messenger RNA (mRNA) coding a transcription factor called CONSTANS (CO). CO mRNA is produced approximately 12 hours after dawn, a cycle regulated by the plant's biological clock. [3] This mRNA is then translated into CO protein. However CO protein is stable only in light, so levels stay low throughout short days and are only able to peak at dusk during long days when there is still a little light. [4][5] CO protein promotes transcription of another gene called Flowering Locus T (FT). By this mechanism, CO protein may only reach levels capable of promoting FT transcription when exposed to long days. Hence, the transmission of florigen -- and thus, the induction of flowering-- relies on a comparison between the plant's perception of day/night and its own internal biological clock. [2]"
"The signal is initiated by the production of messenger RNA (mRNA) coding a transcription factor called CONSTANS (CO). CO mRNA is produced approximately 12 hours after dawn, a cycle regulated by the plant's biological clock. [3] This mRNA is then translated into CO protein. However CO protein is stable only in light, so levels stay low throughout short days and are only able to peak at dusk during long days when there is still a little light. [4][5] CO protein promotes transcription of another gene called Flowering Locus T (FT). By this mechanism, CO protein may only reach levels capable of promoting FT transcription when exposed to long days. Hence, the transmission of florigen -- and thus, the induction of flowering-- relies on a comparison between the plant's perception of day/night and its own internal biological clock. [2]"
JustBlaze702
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Does anyone not count the pre flowering stage? A cannabis plant does not just simply go from vegetive to flowering, there is roughly a 7-10day period called pre flowering