does this look like rot or nute stain

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I2icho

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Hey guys hopefully one you guys can put my mind at ease.
Since this is my first dwc its a bit of a learning curve.
After checking my ph tonight I took a look at my roots and they look brown?
Take a look and let me know what you think. I'm hoping its nute stain.

Here are the nutes I'm using.
Canna classic a and b, rhiztotonic and cannazym.
Ph 5.8
Ppm 550
70 deg f
Ak47 roots


Pineapple chunk


Cheers
 
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greenbum69

Member
Looks like stain to me. The best way to tell is by smelling them. If they smell like sprouts or have very little smell then you have nothing to worry about.
 
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I2icho

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Thanks for the input. Yeah it doesn't really smell like anything as stupid as it sounds it smells like nutes and there not real slimey and they don't fall apart in my hands. So I think I'm all good. Just getting my head around the wonderful world of dwc.

If it is rot will they turn black? And would they smell really rancid?
 
nevyn

nevyn

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Not sure about the black part, but they do smell, it could be different for you because I use soil, but think of it as a festering sore I suppose.

It looks to me from the pic's that everything is ok, so just watch them closely. How the leaves look?
 
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I2icho

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They are only 2 weeks old. But on top everything looks a ok.
It's quite deceiving looking at the roots they are quite icky looking but no smell. The paranoia tells me something is wrong but the sensible part of me tells me they are ok.

Here is a pic

 
Malevolence

Malevolence

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Looks like rot to me from organics in your nutes and make sure those buckets are light proof... white buckets let plenty of light in.

Either way the procedure is the same. If you have rot you should rinse the roots and change the res and make sure light proof. If the nutes stain you should rinse the roots and change the res and use cleaner salt/mineral based nutes.
 
superstoner1

superstoner1

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I think they look perfectly fine. The new growth and fish boning alone says they are doing good. Rotted roots make a slime ball not roots that are spread apart like that. But I would seriously consider new buckets, those are completely see through.
 
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I2icho

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superstoner1 said:
I think they look perfectly fine. The new growth and fish boning alone says they are doing good. Rotted roots make a slime ball not roots that are spread apart like that. But I would seriously consider new buckets, those are completely see through.
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Hey man thanks, the buckets were white and I painted them then covered them in insulation. I just took the lid off to get to the net pot. Im pretty confident they are as light proof as possible. I might buy some insulation tape to tape the top of the buckets. You can't be too safe I guess.
 
SnaFuu

SnaFuu

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Sorry man I disagree. Looks like the start of a pathogen taking over.. Does your ph rise constantly? If so it's a bug and you need to get some beneficial microbe tea in there. See the top sticky in this forum.

Good luck!
 
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I2icho

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SnaFuu said:
Sorry man I disagree. Looks like the start of a pathogen taking over.. Does your ph rise constantly? If so it's a bug and you need to get some beneficial microbe tea in there. See the top sticky in this forum.

Good luck!
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I think you might be right unfortunately. Something I forgot to mention was when the growt first started I had round disc air stones which I put a layer of silicone around to seal the cracks.

(Ph rised a little bit after a res change (5.9-6.3) but stabilized at 5.8 after a day or two. )

Shortly after I noticed a brown slime on the silicone. So I removed the stones and replaced with new stones. The slime went away after that.

I might spray the roots later with ph water to remove what I can.
Would this be a good start?

I read the sticky and it's going to take me weeks to purchase all that stuff to make the tea.

Is cannazym a beneficial bacteria?
 
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I2icho

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Yeah that's what I thought the ph would drop not rise.

As i said before it all started after putting silicone on my air stones.

Silicone meant for a roof and gutter with no anti mold properties. So whatever it was it hasn't come back.

Fingers crossed. Man I knew dwc would be a little challenging but damn that tea sounds like you need a science degree to make it
 
midnitetoak

midnitetoak

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Roots are fine... Be concerned if ph is way off or there's a bad smell. They look fine but do yourself a favor & read up on the Heisenberg tea sticky... Beneficial microbes will help reduce the chance of rot...malevolence is right pond zyme or aqua shield work great ez cheap
 
John Nie Canna Guy

John Nie Canna Guy

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The tea is super simple to make, the first few times you get the hang of it. Now for me it is just dumping shit into a bucket of water and putting some air stones in it. I make mine with just some worm castings, insect frass, agave nectar, molasses, and then alternate between additives like seaweed extract or pure blend tea. I bubble it in my freezing ass cold garage for 2 days and then strain it through a sock and pour it in through the net pots, the plants LOVE it, for me it completely stabilizes the system. No pH drops or nasties blooming in the nutrient solution.
 
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I2icho

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midnitetoak said:
Roots are fine... Be concerned if ph is way off or there's a bad smell. They look fine but do yourself a favor & read up on the Heisenberg tea sticky... Beneficial microbes will help reduce the chance of rot...malevolence is right pond zyme or aqua shield work great ez cheap
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Thanks will do. I do have cannazym running through the system. Do you know much about that?
My understanding is that it prevents rot simular to the tea?

Any who Im about to have 3 weeks off work so that might give me a chance to get this tea brewing.
Cheers
 
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I2icho

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John Nie Canna Guy said:
The tea is super simple to make, the first few times you get the hang of it. Now for me it is just dumping shit into a bucket of water and putting some air stones in it. I make mine with just some worm castings, insect frass, agave nectar, molasses, and then alternate between additives like seaweed extract or pure blend tea. I bubble it in my freezing ass cold garage for 2 days and then strain it through a sock and pour it in through the net pots, the plants LOVE it, for me it completely stabilizes the system. No pH drops or nasties blooming in the nutrient solution.
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Thanks for the input. Tracking down all the products I need will be half the challenge.

I guess if they were rotting the growth would be slow?
Because I'm only 14 days in and have never had my plants grow this fast in soil before ever.
 
Malevolence

Malevolence

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If it is rot the brown roots will stop growing and be kinda mushy and new white roots will start popping out every where. Veg slows down for a week while the plant makes new roots and you will probably notice fade in the leafs. I have never used cannazyme so I dunno if it works well personally.
 
SnaFuu

SnaFuu

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So yeah as i said before, if your ph RISES it's a bug in your system- treat with tea. If your ph DROPS, the late stages have set in and your fighting pythium now as well. The brown slime algae (which i can tell you have from the pics, just wanted to tell you nicely) suffocates your roots for some time (raising your ph) until your roots begin to rot at which time pythium sets in and your roots develop an odor and ph shoots down.
so whoever told you to disregard my message needs to do a little more research. You and i both know by your roots and new growth that there's a problem.. We can only lead you to the fix.And no, any enzyme product will probably only make things worse. Might be worth a try while you wait for your tea ingredients.


Good luck buddy- ive been there
 
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