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churchhaze

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OddBall1st said:
They`re cowards that didn`t stand up for themselves and their country,...Then they become votes or a reason to vote,...I`m not worried about them taking my job at Dunkin Doughnuts because I don`t work there,...our high school kids used to take up those careers.
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You can say this easily because you've never had to live in a hopeless country. You've never had a family member you wanted to visit, but you couldn't. You're just incapable of understanding these things, and this is why I think you're a monster and why I will vote democrat this cycle. The republican candidates are insane for making this their number one issue. They don't have my support .
 
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churchhaze said:
Republicans with extreme views on immigration should keep in mind that they're turning away a lot of people who might otherwise lean fiscally conservative, but will not bend on such extreme attacks on immigration. I will definitely vote democrat this cycle, for president and for all open seats as I consider this a more important issue than any fiscal issues.
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And that is why you come,...free stuff from Democrats at work for you and me. You wouldn`t happen to know why all these immigrants aren`t going to Brazil or Peru ?
 
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churchhaze

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And that is why you come,...free stuff from Democrats at work for you and me. You wouldn`t happen to know why all these immigrants aren`t going to Brazil or Peru ?
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The ends don't justify the means. Basic freedoms "trump" some split milk. The ability to move freely across borders is one of the core components of Liberty. This basic freedom is worth a few people trying to get food stamps.
 
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churchhaze said:
You can say this easily because you've never had to live in a hopeless country. You've never had a family member you wanted to visit, but you couldn't. You're just incapable of understanding these things, and this is why I think you're a monster and why will vote democrat this cycle. The republican candidates are insane for making this their number one issue. They don't have my support .
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I don`t live in a "Hopeless Country" because I and many other citizens do not fear pour Government, ...... we stand up to it and it`s very powerful, more than yours,...You`re right, my family members didn`t run away either, so I didn`t have to go visit them or want to.

I honestly believe the one thing you wont admit and man up to is, you brought this upon yourselves by fearing the Government, ........ running away with nowhere to go and nothing to do. You`de rather condemn me for doing what you wont.
 
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churchhaze

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I don`t live in a "Hopeless Country" because I and many other citizens do not fear pour Government, ...... we stand up to it and it`s very powerful, more than yours,...You`re right, my family members didn`t run away either, so I didn`t have to go visit them or want to.

I honestly believe the one thing you wont admit and man up to is, you brought this upon yourselves by fearing the Government, ........ running away with nowhere to go and nothing to do. You`de rather condemn me for doing what you wont.
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The people that run away to the US are the smart ones that realize their countries are shit holes and will never be fixed within their lifetime. They are Americans in spirit and want our lifestyle because they believe in the American way and want to be American workers.

Or less cynically, the people that want to "run away" to the US are the ones that want to live closer to their family... You know these people do have families legally living in the US they'd like to be closer to. You're paranoid as hell to think these people are just out to get your benefits. Natural born Americans are just as likely to leach benefits more than they pay in, if not more so.
 
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churchhaze said:
The ends don't justify the means. Basic freedoms "trump" some split milk. The ability to move freely across borders is one of the core components of Liberty. This basic freedom is worth a few people trying to get food stamps.
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We can go from State to State as we please, try to go into another Country and you`ll quickly see why they wont change for you.
 
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churchhaze said:
The fact is that you're a burden and the immigrants coming over are assets, otherwise you wouldn't be so scared of them taking your job.

You know that's the truth.
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Ok last one cause your clearly a talking head with little to no educated thought on this subject. If we had skilled immigrants coming in from Mexico legally that could earn enough money to properly take care of themselves and their families I would welcome them. The simple fact is that's not what's occurring and that's the problem. We are diverting so much away from Americans and our own countries needs to take care of all of them its unsustainable.
 
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churchhaze said:
The people that run away to the US are the smart ones that realize their countries are shit holes and will never be fixed within their lifetime. They are Americans in spirit and want our lifestyle because they believe in the American way and want to be American workers.
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So instead of asking for help, taking advantage of is easier ?

You`ve asked or will ask everything you or I can think of except,...How do I help myself ? Did you know if America saw you fighting to save your country and make it a safe place to live and grow,...We`ll take your "six" ....keep pushing....
 
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churchhaze

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Ok last one cause your clearly a talking head with little to no educated thought on this subject. If we had skilled immigrants coming in from Mexico legally that could earn enough money to properly take care of themselves and their families I would welcome them. The simple fact is that's not what's occurring and that's the problem. We are diverting so much away from Americans and our own countries needs to take care of all of them its unsustainable.
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Maybe you can welcome them by sending them a certificate of naturalization... or do you even know what those are or what it takes to get one? It should only take 1 year for an english speaker to get a certificate of naturalization. Instead, make it almost impossible. There's no reason for this other than fear and weakness.
 
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Maybe you can welcome them by sending them a certificate of naturalization... or do you even know what those are or what it takes to get one? It should only take 1 year for an english speaker to get a certificate of naturalization. Instead, make it almost impossible. There's no reason for this other than fear and weakness.
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Math,....If each immigrant took one minute to certify, how long is 20 million minutes ? Brought on by sheer numbers and you blame us ?.....How did I know that was coming ?
 
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The bottom line is that even if you disagree, you're going to lose the general election because you'll have lost the independent votes. Get your priorities straight. I don't align well with hillary, but she looks very good at not being a republican. You're going to lose both the presidency and congress.
 
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churchhaze

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We wronged the wrong,....and the problem is ?????
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Have you ever walked inside a USCIS office in your life? Imagine going to the DMV, but they took 100x as long for everything, including replacing your plates and re-registering your car.. That's USCIS. Even if you're a native speaker, it's impossible to get anywhere with them.

You want a replacement birth certificate to prove you're a natural born US citizen? Easy.. It takes a few weeks to get it in the mail.. You want a replacement certificate of naturalization? 1-2 years if you're lucky... but this is a federal agency. if you miss a field, you will in 1 year get a letter telling you you messed up... and to try again.. to get your replacement document, so you can finally get a job again, because you can't get a job without an I9 form, which requires proof of citizenhip or visa. In this case, these people have nowhere to go because they are US citezens to begin with. Fix uscis and stop complaining about immigrants trying to live closer to their families. This whole issue is complete bullshit. Just open the borders and enjoy freedom of movement, one of the best parts of not being slaves.
 
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Have you ever walked inside a USCIS office in your life? Imagine going to the DMV, but they took 100x as long for everything, including replacing your plates and re-registering your car.. That's USCIS. Even if you're a native speaker, it's impossible to get anywhere with them.

You want a replacement birth certificate to prove you're a natural born US citizen? Easy.. It takes a few weeks to get it in the mail.. You want a replacement certificate of naturalization? 1-2 years if you're lucky... but this is a federal agency. if you miss a field, you will in 1 year get a letter telling you you messed up... and to try again.. to get your replacement document, so you can finally get a job again, because you can't get a job without an I9 form, which requires proof of citizenhip or visa. In this case, these people have nowhere to go because they are US citezens to begin with. Fix uscis and stop complaining about immigrants trying to live closer to their families. This whole issue is complete bullshit. Just open the borders and enjoy freedom of movement, one of the best parts of not being slaves.
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What part of,...that`s how many are coming...makes the USCIS office easy ? Who`s fault would that be, ours or those that are coming ?

Now I`ll read the rest of your post ....
 
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churchhaze

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What part of,...that`s how many are coming...makes the USCIS office easy ? Who`s fault would that be, ours or those that are coming ?

Now I`ll read the rest of your post ....
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The individual state DMV can handle millions of people getting drivers licenses. USCIS struggles handling hundreds. They're incompetent. An embarrassment and a huge waste of tax payer money. Open borders would eliminate the need for a USCIS.
 
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churchhaze said:
Have you ever walked inside a USCIS office in your life? Imagine going to the DMV, but they took 100x as long for everything, including replacing your plates and re-registering your car.. That's USCIS. Even if you're a native speaker, it's impossible to get anywhere with them.

You want a replacement birth certificate to prove you're a natural born US citizen? Easy.. It takes a few weeks to get it in the mail.. You want a replacement certificate of naturalization? 1-2 years if you're lucky... but this is a federal agency. if you miss a field, you will in 1 year get a letter telling you you messed up... and to try again.. to get your replacement document, so you can finally get a job again, because you can't get a job without an I9 form, which requires proof of citizenhip or visa. In this case, these people have nowhere to go because they are US citezens to begin with. Fix uscis and stop complaining about immigrants trying to live closer to their families. This whole issue is complete bullshit. Just open the borders and enjoy freedom of movement, one of the best parts of not being slaves.
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It`s not fix USCIS,...it`s fix the flood coming in so you don`t drown. No, do not just open the borders and let whoever that`s going to do whatever in. That`s wrong on every levbel, so hearing it from an illegal or supporter of it, is about all you`ll hear it from.
 
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