Donald Trump

Red1966 said:

Actually, you made several false statements. I kindly listed them for you. Nowhere is it stated that you were giving an opinion. Don't weasel.
"I speak up when anyone makes false statements about ANY candidate."

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So me saying "im not convinced for x" is me not talking about my opinion?

That's about as valid as me supposedly telling you that you were a trump supporter (stranger ive never spoken too before) by addressing trump supporters.

I love how even speaking in a trump forum turns into a semantic argument over everything. Its like Trump is the god of semantic argument, devoid of substance and ever expanding. (gasp)....trump is BORG!

FauxRoux said:

So me saying "im not convinced for x" is me not talking about my opinion?

That's about as valid as me supposedly telling you that you were a trump supporter (stranger ive never spoken too before) by addressing trump supporters.

I love how even speaking in a trump forum turns into a semantic argument over everything. Its like Trump is the god of semantic argument, devoid of substance and ever expanding. (gasp)....trump is BORG!

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Let's see.............
"I hear and agree that we all need something different than the norm.....however, not a single 1 of you pro trump folk can give me 1 single reason to believe trump really is.

All I hear is:
1. "hes different then the norm"
2 "hes rich thus above bribery by private interest."
3. "hes successful in business thus qualified to run the country."

Problem is that:
1. "different" does not = good.
2. Trump IS private interest. How do you stop politically corrupt politicians by giving their job to the people corrupting them? He openly admits/brags to bribing people for god sake! And if you think it gives him some deep insight into the machinations of the system that he will use to our benefit as a society I invite you to look at his track record of fucking over the working class throughout the late 80's-90's.
3. This country is a democracy. Not a business. Being the president isn't being a C.E.O. ...thinking 1 qualifies a person for the other is ridiculous and for the sake of ALL our freedoms we better fight to make sure it ISN'T treated like a business. Money isn't even close to whats really important in life and it can NOT be the bottom dollar fueling our actions as a nation or peoples.

But in short. Trumps history does not show an abundance or morality nor trustworthiness. So im not sure WHY you all think he will represent your interests even if he says he will.

Trump has not even produced any real plan I can see.

I guess I just require more. Or maybe I will truly never be ok with quite such a huge narcissist as president....meh...who knows"

Nope,, "im not convinced for x" not in there.Stop trying to weasel out of your statement. You sound like a politician.

Red1966 said:

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Nope,, "im not convinced for x" not in there.Stop trying to weasel out of your statement. You sound like a politician.

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Jesus dude...semantics.....there are lines. read between them.

I mean, no offense...but this started with you accusing me (despite never speaking with you or being aware you exist...im pretty sure) of putting words in your mouth by calling YOU a trump supporter (somehow) by simply addressing actual trump supporters....and now your telling me what I "actually" mean by what I say....

I will never tell you not to believe what you do. But please leave me out of it....or at least dont expect me to buy into it. I can make up my own mind thx.

But to clarify.... "not a single 1 of you pro trump folk can give me 1 single reason to believe trump really is" ....to me this sentence illustrates that no information has been presented to me to make me believe other then I do....to believe...this implies an opinion. I then stated my reasons why. I gave frequently coined pro trump "arguments" and my reasons for disagreeing with them.

This is pretty straight forward english.

But it IS my opinion..... By definition.... it came out of my mouth.

Or would you like to fact check it? I charge $50 for interviews though.

FauxRoux said:

Jesus dude...semantics.....there are lines. read through them.

I mean, no offense...but so far you've had trouble with knowing who's addressing YOU and now your telling me what in fact IM saying.

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I did not tell you what you were saying. I quoted you verbatim. Quit trying to weasel out of your statements by pretending this is about semantics. Geeze man! Can't you even be honest with yourself?

Red1966 said:

I did not tell you what you were saying. I quoted you verbatim. Quit trying to weasel out of your statements by pretending this is about semantics. Geeze man! Can't you even be honest with yourself?

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Help me? What Facts did I get wrong? How is this a case of you correcting an untruth?

Cause I have no problem being wrong...im wrong all the time. No offense, but this feels more like you needing to be right. You're the alleged persecuted turned accuser....the burden of proof lies with you my friend.

Quoting someone to establish a point IS saying something.

I choose to speak to people with the assumption that they understand reference, implication, and logical form.... lexical and conceptual semantics. Its polite.

FauxRoux said:

Help me? What Facts did I get wrong? How is this a case of you correcting an untruth?

Cause I have no problem being wrong...im wrong all the time. No offense, but this feels more like you needing to be right. You're the alleged persecuted turned accuser....the burden of proof lies with you my friend.

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I have already listed your misstatements of facts. Still weaseling. No point in further communication when you start asking me to repeat myself.

Hmmmmm

Red1966 said:

I have already listed your misstatements of facts. Still weaseling. No point in further communication when you start asking me to repeat myself.

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A.K.A. ...cant...gotcha. Thx for playing.

let me help you

Here's where you jumped in assuming by "trump supporter" I must be talking about you....even though you aren't a trump supporter...and I dont even know you...nor were we talking...

Red1966 said:

"not a single 1 of you pro trump folk"
Really? You're now telling me who I support? Isn't that MY decision?

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Here are your rebuttals of...Well... you called them inaccurate facts (not opinions).

Red1966 said:

!. If the norm is bad, the differant may very well be good
2.He has not admitted to bribing anyone. You label anyone who has contributed to any political cause a criminal. Are you advocating only those who are wealthy enough to self-finance a campaign be able to run? If so, that would leave only the Clintons and Trump as viable candidates.
3.This country is a republic, not a democracy. But it needs to be run as a business in order to survive. The President IS our CEO. it's the executive office, he/she is the chief officer.
Trump has produced a plan. He's going to make everything "Fabulous".
I do not support Trump. I like "some' of his policies, don't like others. But his demeanor is a deal breaker.

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1. I said different doesn't = good...so sure...it "may" be good....But what part of different not automatically being a good thing do you not get? It could be different and STILL be awful.....by your own operative word "may" you clearly agree....it "may" be great...it "may" not. So unless you thought I was arguing for more of the status quo I dont understand the disagreement. (which rereading it, I guess you could have...admittedly "doesn't automatically = good" would have been clearer.....)

2.Are...you ...fucking ...kidding me?! Here...doesn't matter if you agree with it or not, but there is PLENTY of evidence to support my opinion....believing it or not is your call but it IS a thing....people HAVE formed opinions on the subject.
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/07/donald-trump-buy/
https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2015/08/08/rand-paul-donald-trump-admit-to-briberycorruption-and-no-one-notices.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wayne-barrett-donald-trump-bribe_us_560eaabae4b0dd85030bb2d5

3.We are a Democratic Republic. If you want to play semantic games about the distinction have a blast...the rest is YOUR opinion on the validity of a metaphor about business (We function as a economic oligarchy imo) A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.

So....since when asked why you chose to start this line of ridiculous ...THIS was your response.

Red1966 said:

Because I am constantly accused of being a Trump supporter by others, if not you. While I do not support him, I speak up when anyone makes false statements about ANY candidate. I leaned towards Carson until he made the bone-headed comments about the pyramids being used to store grain.Watch someone make that out to be racist now.

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I will simply say im sorry you feel persecuted, you really dont need to worry about that from me.

So far I haven't heard anything that would warrant me searching out a repartee.

P.S. Despite mild friction I enjoy some of your posts and am interested in your point of view. While im clearly willing to follow fact and logic to the last stop this is why I prefer to speak in opinion. I would rather attempt to glean from your perspective on politics then tit for tat over logical fallacies.

Just saying.

Still weaseling.

Red1966 said:

Still weaseling.

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still trolling

At least I hope so for your sake.

But hey...at least this time im actually talking to you

Gunna be 1 bad ass wall....

MrStickyScissors said:

Gunna be 1 bad ass wall....

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Bullets would be a lot cheaper.

NLXSK1 said:

Trump could spend a hundred million and not break a sweat....

If he is worth 10 billion that is ten thousand million....

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HE said he is worth $10 billion Forbes has him between 3-4 billion, he embellishes EVERYTHING that's who he is, but I would still love his money though.

B4L

FauxRoux said:

I hear and agree that we all need something different than the norm.....however, not a single 1 of you pro trump folk can give me 1 single reason to believe trump really is.

All I hear is:
1. "hes different then the norm"
2 "hes rich thus above bribery by private interest."
3. "hes successful in business thus qualified to run the country."

Problem is that:
1. "different" does not = good.
2. Trump IS private interest. How do you stop politically corrupt politicians by giving their job to the people corrupting them? He openly admits/brags to bribing people for god sake! And if you think it gives him some deep insight into the machinations of the system that he will use to our benefit as a society I invite you to look at his track record of fucking over the working class throughout the late 80's-90's.
3. This country is a democracy. Not a business. Being the president isn't being a C.E.O. ...thinking 1 qualifies a person for the other is ridiculous and for the sake of ALL our freedoms we better fight to make sure it ISN'T treated like a business. Money isn't even close to whats really important in life and it can NOT be the bottom dollar fueling our actions as a nation or peoples.

But in short. Trumps history does not show an abundance or morality nor trustworthiness. So im not sure WHY you all think he will represent your interests even if he says he will.

Trump has not even produced any real plan I can see.

I guess I just require more. Or maybe I will truly never be ok with quite such a huge narcissist as president....meh...who knows

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Spot on! Most folks here don't know The Dumpster like I know him, I'm from "the city" and know exactly how he treated workers. He got pointers from the "Queen of mean" herself Leona Helmsley, when the skank died she left her real estate fortune to her dog. Her Husband Harry was down to earth.

He used scab labor on all his projects outside city limits, but was caught bringing in scabs to his city projects at night (late, late wee hours) and payed a hefty "fine".

B4L

Fogdog said:

I guessed you were just wishing ill of the US and Trump was your man to do it. It seems that I was wrong. You actually think Trump would somehow be in Canada's best interest. I think I liked you better when you were carrying on with images of nuclear explosions. Trump reminds me most of Nixon but without the experience. He'd fuck up as bad or worse as Bush II. No more idiots for president please. We don't need a demagogue billionaire in the White House.

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If you were to take a poll on what the average Citizen wants in USA you be shocked to find out that they want change there tired of false promises ad false hopes And after last nights Debate its clearly trump
your brain washed like the few who probably think Jeb Bush , or Hillary for president

So easy to point the blame at any president when the blame started with you for voting them in its your Fault USA is in the shape that it is . truly is your Fault
presently what does any child born or growing up presently have to look forward to in USA

I know absolutely nothing there jobs are bleek , money is bleek whats the average age of a person still living with mommy n daddy in USA ???? how old are you haha enough said

After last nights Debate its clearly trump for the win

but i guess for the few that just hate Trump its hillary or Jeb right i mean you betcha vote for them so they can screw up whats left in good ole USA if history repeats it self like it usually does

you know most carry on that Obama fucked right up ,, but again ask your self what has obama really done compared to previous presidents and lets not forget lots of the shit got carried forward so blame goes on existing president

So on closing statement we have Hillarys and bushs that will in fact rape what ever pieces are left to steal and transfer out of USA , you have other candidates that have done fuck all as senators but like a game think there worthy of leveling up to president status .ut yet did nothing as senators
If you look at history of trump being billionaire that he is he has put the right people in the right places to get the job done Right ..
Its pretty fucking simple really lower middle class and corporate tax that alone will speed up the recovery and bring jobs back ..
From mexico, Japan , China where these corporations moved to .. That is the right thinking imgine the trillions of dollars already coming back into usa
See that is the real problem money has been going out but not coming back any time soon

So yeah Vote for Bush / Hillary an you will have the same repetitive shit over n over
Vote trump for change its needed yes i agree he is wet behind the Ears on some things but again you voted for obama and he was wet in all areas of being president

If only Trump does one thing like lower taxes on corporate and middle class and lures back the jobs taken from USA he would of acomplished more then last 4 presidents in office did

But if you take a look at wealth its clearly seen that Hillary, Jeb have used political gains to become rich
How soon people tend to sluff off Hillary mind you she sold USA uranium mines to Russia wow i mean Russia owns US uranium lol if that is not treason

2ANONYMOUS said:

But if you take a look at wealth its clearly seen that Hillary, Jeb have used political gains to become rich
How soon people tend to sluff off Hillary mind you she sold USA uranium mines to Russia wow i mean Russia owns US uranium lol if that is not treason

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Both Hillary & Bill have committed crimes worthy of treason & worthy of the Death Penalty. They are murderers for crying out loud

The solution is to start your own business. You do not have to rely on a 'job' to survive. Most people cannot even imagine that though.

NLXSK1 said:

The solution is to start your own business. You do not have to rely on a 'job' to survive. Most people cannot even imagine that though.

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True but it costs money to get a business under way and for most they do not even have money to register company insure a company also there is enough flooring companies haha or snow shovelers, grass cutters around haha banks laugh at people walking in with a business in mind truth is for many there business plan sucked from the beginning,

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True but it costs money to get a business under way and for most they do not even have money to register company insure a company also there is enough flooring companies haha or snow shovelers, grass cutters around haha banks laugh at people walking in with a business in mind truth is for many there business plan sucked from the beginning,

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You start by doing landscaping or cleaning pools or pest control. Something simple and cheap to start. Then you build from there.

No, everyone cannot walk into a bank and get a loan for 1,000,000 dollars. I didnt say it was easy but it is the way to become self sufficient and even wealthy if you work hard at it.