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30 seconds with a heat gun the alloy head heats fast letting you draw less start up amps . i run my Map gas on mine works like a charm
Dry Ice Bubble - Frozen Undried Trim vs Dried Trim
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30 seconds with a heat gun the alloy head heats fast letting you draw less start up amps . i run my Map gas on mine works like a charm
SaybianTv
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Yieh my place has got serious electrical revamp issues it's why I could never grow. By Alloy heads you mean the copper bits that toot back and forth near the power switch. Yeah i know but some days I just have to accept I have too many tools, I'd rather the heat gun to the torch though. I have the same problem with the soft start motor on the compost brewer, I can never get that thing fired up in the middle of the winter when a man needs 250 gallons of juice.
Ya Saybian I've been trying to think of a machine that will do the automated shaking. I was thinking a converted paint shaker with adjustable strength shaking would be good. Something that I could convert to use the larger 40 gallon bags I'm using. (they fit nicely into a 40 gallon drum)
Gotta figure something out to get things automated for sure. Thanks for the link!
SaybianTv
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Well since I already converted a paint shaker with adjustable strength shaking to automate, you could ask your buddy standing right here.
It can shake more than the pain shaker base can grip, a 40 gallon mmm as long as it's bolted down and you can weld a cone to hold the bucket. I didn't like that there bucket in the video was loose and when I called the guy he said he could whop one out in a few days but didn't have any of what he advertised. After i herd that it was DIY, the trouble "if your impatient like me" is getting a pneumatic paint shaker for sale to the public. I had no passport at the time so point roberts was out plus the cheap ones from the states go bad quick.
http://www.tool-chest.ca/Products/Product_1235.aspx
The model is not exact picture if you did buy as their tested for 100 hours then fixed of their china flaws before sale.
Vancouver Autocolor Ltd‎
6869 Sellers Ave
Burnaby
I called them and they got same day and then I could pick it up in surrey. I think it was around $360, but that's the price of inspiration meeting impatience.
It can shake more than the pain shaker base can grip, a 40 gallon mmm as long as it's bolted down and you can weld a cone to hold the bucket. I didn't like that there bucket in the video was loose and when I called the guy he said he could whop one out in a few days but didn't have any of what he advertised. After i herd that it was DIY, the trouble "if your impatient like me" is getting a pneumatic paint shaker for sale to the public. I had no passport at the time so point roberts was out plus the cheap ones from the states go bad quick.
http://www.tool-chest.ca/Products/Product_1235.aspx
The model is not exact picture if you did buy as their tested for 100 hours then fixed of their china flaws before sale.
Vancouver Autocolor Ltd‎
6869 Sellers Ave
Burnaby
I called them and they got same day and then I could pick it up in surrey. I think it was around $360, but that's the price of inspiration meeting impatience.
Thanks Saybian! Ya not sure what to do about it. I was thinking I could also rig something up with a sawsall. Attach an apparatus to it somehow that I could attach the bag to then shake over a bin. They have adjustable speeds. Would just have to bolt it somehow to something rigid.
I was also looking at the pollen extractor tumblers but they can only fit around 200 grams in them. But they might process material a lot faster and more efficiently so maybe it will make up for the lower amount of product you can load in them.
I was also looking at the pollen extractor tumblers but they can only fit around 200 grams in them. But they might process material a lot faster and more efficiently so maybe it will make up for the lower amount of product you can load in them.
SaybianTv
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Hehe been there done that with a reciprocating saw, I dunno man I think I suck at predicting what forces will do when I hit the ON button. suspended bucket bungee system was kill somebody. Maybe a rotating drum would be better, I dunno seems like a product product. FD reaps all his kief with a hand saw connected to dry sieve screens. I do about a quarter pound every 2-3 mins and I've very happy with the speed, I don't think there is a way to Machine yourself into good hash without putting your brains to somewhere along the process like designing your own extractor. People have been beating bags with sticks and been getting fire type hash for ages, it's all about torque and vibration.
I didn't want to go broke so it was easier to shoot past a design I could watch a video of over and over, than to buy what looked like a super baby version of my compost sifter then break it because im always trying to see what can go faster so I can slow down for once.
I didn't want to go broke so it was easier to shoot past a design I could watch a video of over and over, than to buy what looked like a super baby version of my compost sifter then break it because im always trying to see what can go faster so I can slow down for once.
greenlikemoney
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Glad you enjoyed the dry ice run. It's just so simple and mess free, plus your work area smells like what I believe heaven probably smells like.
greenlikemoney
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410 grams today
Gonna fine tune things over this week to see what grades/mesh sizes we wanna concentrate on the most. Lovin the dry ice!
I think the 120 bag is the best.
Well Saybian I said fuck it and ordered a big pollen extractor tumbler called the Pollen Master. I ordered the 4500 model which is supposed to be able to do 10 lbs of trim at a time. It's pricey but the first couple of rounds of keif from it will pay for it so it's all relative I guess.
One of my friends said his buddy has the smaller model and he loves it. They are a Vancouver company so that's great too. Comes with a 150 mesh so I'm going to get a couple other mesh sizes to run as well.
Hey Green ya man I love the smell of hash. Deep and dank smell! Brought some keif home and the wife thought I was making curry or something lol. Does look like spices
One of my friends said his buddy has the smaller model and he loves it. They are a Vancouver company so that's great too. Comes with a 150 mesh so I'm going to get a couple other mesh sizes to run as well.
Hey Green ya man I love the smell of hash. Deep and dank smell! Brought some keif home and the wife thought I was making curry or something lol. Does look like spices
SaybianTv
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I've seen those, if someone's got something already going and I can get it local I always go local. I think when i was getting into kief it was because of dry ice so your mind switches to "it must needs buckets to do this" n it shuts off to all the dry kief tek out there. I got fixated on cold temps so I didn't think i could tumble the ice so i didn't go further with the pollen master.
I figured you would be so inspired you'd have to automate something before the vigor left you. I've met a few hash artist that extract kief and they all went the pollen master route to get it flat out in bulk. It's so hard to resist clean yields like this in 3 mins, I've been doing taste test of kief run's vs nug runs and I've teetering on kiefing nugs then sifting the work bag for unbroken larf to mix back in with the kief. I go over those tiny nibs with a scope and if there's balls it get's cut back with the kief still netting a reducing in plant material exposed to solvent. I looked at my kief last night and thought of how your people are loving it and what was wrong with me why I don't love it. It smelled really good, I remember getting super excited about hash that smells like the flowers. The minute i took off my double filter breathing mask it was like a thousand shards of itchy glass was in my lungs, how the hell do you work with this stuff it irritates me to no end. I just wanted to wiff it up and enjoy like you guys n my poor tongue swelled up in my mouth for 20 mins.
What's with my kief karma, im kiefing like crazy cuzz you got me inspired but I know as soon as the trim comes with no dust again im going back to nug run mode. I just can't resist being able to blast a half pound of material with 300 mills of solvent in an 8 inch colum in about 5 minutes. When i think of the kief i could fit in 4 blast tubes full, ugh the efficiency would make any engineer foam in his cup.
I figured you would be so inspired you'd have to automate something before the vigor left you. I've met a few hash artist that extract kief and they all went the pollen master route to get it flat out in bulk. It's so hard to resist clean yields like this in 3 mins, I've been doing taste test of kief run's vs nug runs and I've teetering on kiefing nugs then sifting the work bag for unbroken larf to mix back in with the kief. I go over those tiny nibs with a scope and if there's balls it get's cut back with the kief still netting a reducing in plant material exposed to solvent. I looked at my kief last night and thought of how your people are loving it and what was wrong with me why I don't love it. It smelled really good, I remember getting super excited about hash that smells like the flowers. The minute i took off my double filter breathing mask it was like a thousand shards of itchy glass was in my lungs, how the hell do you work with this stuff it irritates me to no end. I just wanted to wiff it up and enjoy like you guys n my poor tongue swelled up in my mouth for 20 mins.
What's with my kief karma, im kiefing like crazy cuzz you got me inspired but I know as soon as the trim comes with no dust again im going back to nug run mode. I just can't resist being able to blast a half pound of material with 300 mills of solvent in an 8 inch colum in about 5 minutes. When i think of the kief i could fit in 4 blast tubes full, ugh the efficiency would make any engineer foam in his cup.
Saybian that's crazy that the keif affects you that way with your your tongue swelling up!? That's horrible man! I wonder if it's some chemical on the trim that the grower used like pesticide or something? Does that happen to you any time you run trim for keif or just with the last batch?
I haven't run any of my keif with butane yet to make BHO with it cause I have to give customers the last stuff I made pressed in bricks.. But I'm definitely going to run some with tane to see how that goes!
Have you run just 100% keif with no buffer bud or trim in the tubes with tane? If so do you just loosely fill the tubes with it? Or would it be better to just soak the keif in liquid tane then filter it after it dissolves?
So the lady that owns the Pollen Master company told me some negative stuff about dry ice keif. She told me that it freezes the trim so much that it shatters the trich heads and stocks, and will actually bleach the plant material white from freezing it to such a cold temperature. Dry ice is -100 degrees!! I talked to her for awhile about the dif extraction methods and she sounded very sincere and knowledgeable.
What she said made sense to me too because when I looked at my usb microscope pics of the keif I got out of the dry ice extraction it all looked like broken shards of glass! WTF
So I will do a comparison when I get the Pollen Master to compare the two processes; dry ice and dry sift and see what results I get.
I haven't run any of my keif with butane yet to make BHO with it cause I have to give customers the last stuff I made pressed in bricks.. But I'm definitely going to run some with tane to see how that goes!
Have you run just 100% keif with no buffer bud or trim in the tubes with tane? If so do you just loosely fill the tubes with it? Or would it be better to just soak the keif in liquid tane then filter it after it dissolves?
So the lady that owns the Pollen Master company told me some negative stuff about dry ice keif. She told me that it freezes the trim so much that it shatters the trich heads and stocks, and will actually bleach the plant material white from freezing it to such a cold temperature. Dry ice is -100 degrees!! I talked to her for awhile about the dif extraction methods and she sounded very sincere and knowledgeable.
What she said made sense to me too because when I looked at my usb microscope pics of the keif I got out of the dry ice extraction it all looked like broken shards of glass! WTF
So I will do a comparison when I get the Pollen Master to compare the two processes; dry ice and dry sift and see what results I get.
SaybianTv
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LOL I love it.
- All weed does it, this stuff was organic and honestly the vibrations coming off the material was alive. I has something to do with the plant material itself, the smaller the worse it is for me. I can touch oil all day, I can't touch the spent material even when bone dry. I use to think i was alergic to the bottom of my bag because everytime id go in it for weed after hours at work id come back from smoking with bumps all over my face where i touched it. It turns out the bag just had ground kief n stuff all over because it started happening to my hands when i'd go for paperwork. I only dig in my bag like a woman when im looking for my lighter.
- BC you shouldn't run tubes full of kief unless..........N you certainly should pack the tube hard with kief till it presses unless......
- your a complete nutter....... Yes you can extract straight packed kief in a tube, the only reason i can't say i pack 100% kief is cuzz i found trich's on the nubs so they gotta go back in. You can't do it without pulling a vac on the tube, but it can be done.....
- Yes the pollen master lady is right in her intuition even if she doesn't have facts to fire off on a forum. I wispered I stopped using dry ice because of praxair's distance and I now use whiskey stones chilled in a refridgerated cold trap. Or i could have just chilled them IN dry ice.... The whiskey stones are flat cubes so they slowly turn over, they don't bounce or smash into dust like the dry ice did for me. I had better dry ice results when i went to their van location which stocks pellets. Everytime i used smashed slabs i found id get kief dust back in my face when the machine was running.
I saved a video for you on my phone, i just have to get one of them social media accounts phones upload to so i can make a link so you can see the vibrational pattern under which the kief is extracted.
- I posted somewhere about Bagwash QWET, i discovered long ago the dry ice was smashing trich's and the only reason i couldn't see it as resin on collection bag was because it was so cold. Smashed trich's is the reason bubble hash yields low, and if only they could seperatory funnel the water the oil could be recovered for orals. I can get 2 grams of oil off the bag's before when i hand shook for long periods, I also never let the material sit in the bag or bucket after im done, i try to sweep all frozen broken oil onto other good heads so they can bond.
Im not so sure on the bleaching front, i know i can get plenty of green material by simply crossing the 6 minute line on my timer. What i figure is it's allot of smashed red hair's cuzz i see plenty under the scope.
I think your on the right track longterm with the pollen master, especially if your serving kief to people. Dry ice extraction is an expediant that could become an art form, but nobody has taken the time to work with that genre's subtleties. The stuff I've done is more in an attempt to reduce the solvent use while not loosing an ounce of yield or quality compared to a straight nug run. I dream of a future of nug run abundance karma where i'll be sick of dealing with buds and i'll be gunning to feed amazing hash in to get AAA amazing oil out at efficiency rates that would excite Data from startrek.
But someone once said they didn't like kief run's because it taste hashy, it was someone I respect even though it may have just been an unresearched comment. I don't want that ever said about my stuff if I use kief so until I can't taste a difference, I still do 2 seperate runs. Nugs,Kief + Nug bits. Im just not packing green sand in no tube, fuck trim sand it's not worth my solvent, kief that sand till it's beige and your in business.
One way or another you will get Dabbed Out by me before christmas, I think im gunna ask for 3 weeks off when I go in on monday starting monday.
I have this Blueberry that Im proud to tear's about and nobody who knows anything about dabbing around me.
- All weed does it, this stuff was organic and honestly the vibrations coming off the material was alive. I has something to do with the plant material itself, the smaller the worse it is for me. I can touch oil all day, I can't touch the spent material even when bone dry. I use to think i was alergic to the bottom of my bag because everytime id go in it for weed after hours at work id come back from smoking with bumps all over my face where i touched it. It turns out the bag just had ground kief n stuff all over because it started happening to my hands when i'd go for paperwork. I only dig in my bag like a woman when im looking for my lighter.
- BC you shouldn't run tubes full of kief unless..........N you certainly should pack the tube hard with kief till it presses unless......
- your a complete nutter....... Yes you can extract straight packed kief in a tube, the only reason i can't say i pack 100% kief is cuzz i found trich's on the nubs so they gotta go back in. You can't do it without pulling a vac on the tube, but it can be done.....
- Yes the pollen master lady is right in her intuition even if she doesn't have facts to fire off on a forum. I wispered I stopped using dry ice because of praxair's distance and I now use whiskey stones chilled in a refridgerated cold trap. Or i could have just chilled them IN dry ice.... The whiskey stones are flat cubes so they slowly turn over, they don't bounce or smash into dust like the dry ice did for me. I had better dry ice results when i went to their van location which stocks pellets. Everytime i used smashed slabs i found id get kief dust back in my face when the machine was running.
I saved a video for you on my phone, i just have to get one of them social media accounts phones upload to so i can make a link so you can see the vibrational pattern under which the kief is extracted.
- I posted somewhere about Bagwash QWET, i discovered long ago the dry ice was smashing trich's and the only reason i couldn't see it as resin on collection bag was because it was so cold. Smashed trich's is the reason bubble hash yields low, and if only they could seperatory funnel the water the oil could be recovered for orals. I can get 2 grams of oil off the bag's before when i hand shook for long periods, I also never let the material sit in the bag or bucket after im done, i try to sweep all frozen broken oil onto other good heads so they can bond.
Im not so sure on the bleaching front, i know i can get plenty of green material by simply crossing the 6 minute line on my timer. What i figure is it's allot of smashed red hair's cuzz i see plenty under the scope.
I think your on the right track longterm with the pollen master, especially if your serving kief to people. Dry ice extraction is an expediant that could become an art form, but nobody has taken the time to work with that genre's subtleties. The stuff I've done is more in an attempt to reduce the solvent use while not loosing an ounce of yield or quality compared to a straight nug run. I dream of a future of nug run abundance karma where i'll be sick of dealing with buds and i'll be gunning to feed amazing hash in to get AAA amazing oil out at efficiency rates that would excite Data from startrek.
But someone once said they didn't like kief run's because it taste hashy, it was someone I respect even though it may have just been an unresearched comment. I don't want that ever said about my stuff if I use kief so until I can't taste a difference, I still do 2 seperate runs. Nugs,Kief + Nug bits. Im just not packing green sand in no tube, fuck trim sand it's not worth my solvent, kief that sand till it's beige and your in business.
One way or another you will get Dabbed Out by me before christmas, I think im gunna ask for 3 weeks off when I go in on monday starting monday.
I have this Blueberry that Im proud to tear's about and nobody who knows anything about dabbing around me.
SaybianTv
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Sorry one more comment as I look at some 2nd wash for experiments green ethoh. The shit's pristine green just like good kief that's just starting to razz up with plant material. I've been turning that green etoh gold with a uv light from home depot, it doesn't taste the same but that bleaching makes it look indistinguishable from the first run.
Maybe dry ice tek is doing the same thing for the kief, could be a good thing.....
Maybe dry ice tek is doing the same thing for the kief, could be a good thing.....
SaybianTv
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Just before I ran this 10 mins ago i thought of you and scratched out a window to show the kief density to flowers, i may not kief again unless santa brings me more trim. Sorry if I was thinking i would have taken the photo before it frosted over after leaving the freezer.
Thanks for your help Saybian! Rep for you bud!
I'm coming out to Vancouver on Monday. Santa can bring you some trim
So I've tested some of my honeycomb at 59% and 62% thc when made with bud. I'm curious if the thc content would be higher if made from good quality keif. I'm going to run a batch of pure keif bho to test that theory. I'm thinking maybe it will test higher because it's using a higher thc product to extract from rather than bud which I would think would have more plant waxes and lipids in it or maybe that is also in the resin heads too so who knows. Just a theory I'd like to test out..
I'm coming out to Vancouver on Monday. Santa can bring you some trim
So I've tested some of my honeycomb at 59% and 62% thc when made with bud. I'm curious if the thc content would be higher if made from good quality keif. I'm going to run a batch of pure keif bho to test that theory. I'm thinking maybe it will test higher because it's using a higher thc product to extract from rather than bud which I would think would have more plant waxes and lipids in it or maybe that is also in the resin heads too so who knows. Just a theory I'd like to test out..
SaybianTv
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Oh it's not a theory man it's just hard work to manage and blast. I mean there's only so much on the plant but if were talking what does your solvent meet when going down the tube, there's definetly an effect to hitting nothing but tricome head wax. I've learned so much about my processes from winterizing, im down to so little making out the tube that these last with and without run's i've split up seem to only register on my lung. I can find nobody who wouldn't beleived my unwaxed stuff is dewaxed. But FD said it before the wax got caught in the filter's prior, I do know that I get way way less fats from plant leaf when i use kief. If I couldn't winterize It would have definetly been all kief all the time, the biggest fear that drove me to try blasting in tubes was I thought i was loosing yield. Before that I kief everything back when i didn't know what the hell i was doing, now that I do im back to kief experiments.
The other benefit of kief in the tube is once the heads have melted and the oil's flowering, it naturally leaves airspace behind for easy cleanout. I pack my tubes so hard i can take me 20 minutes to empty a really compacted tube, getting back to kief makes things allot easier.
Did you check out that idab radio episode from the zho thread? Im soo pumped there back and they went over allot of this year's latest and greatest in Tek. I hear thanks to winterizing people are grinding their material to shit and extracting with dry ice to remove all the fat grinding picks up. I didn't hear anything about color though, but I was super happy they were talking about Aspirator's and not letting that Tek hide in the shadows of my RIU post. It was like an episode of all our shit brought to the public domain of non forum type ppl.
The other benefit of kief in the tube is once the heads have melted and the oil's flowering, it naturally leaves airspace behind for easy cleanout. I pack my tubes so hard i can take me 20 minutes to empty a really compacted tube, getting back to kief makes things allot easier.
Did you check out that idab radio episode from the zho thread? Im soo pumped there back and they went over allot of this year's latest and greatest in Tek. I hear thanks to winterizing people are grinding their material to shit and extracting with dry ice to remove all the fat grinding picks up. I didn't hear anything about color though, but I was super happy they were talking about Aspirator's and not letting that Tek hide in the shadows of my RIU post. It was like an episode of all our shit brought to the public domain of non forum type ppl.
No I haven't checked out the dab radio yet. I'll do that for sure. What is the difference between aspirators and vacuum pumps. I haven't read about any of that yet. I just googled "aspirator" just now and didn't find too much. Is there a benefit of one over the other?
Do you find you need to use less butane when running keif in the tubes over bud and keif together?
Do you find you need to use less butane when running keif in the tubes over bud and keif together?
SaybianTv
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The difference is one creates it's vacuum by venturi force, the other by rotary vane and so on. The limit of an apirator is 28.5 hg, they can be made of plastic, they cost about 20 bux vs hundreads. I use mine for everything that would put my pump in danger, for instance if you don't have a cold trap and your sick of your vac pump filling up with solvent to soon, you could purge with a slower aspirator for 2 hours to get most wet wet solvent, then go to vac pump for the last 20% that won't give without tru vac.
It's definitely less solvent, I might use 150 ml of solvent and get back 25 grams. What's going in the vac right now is from the photo of an 80% kief pack so we'll see if I can get back better than 25 grams. What's the best with kief is I'll only loose about 15ml to the material where normaly i can loose up to 150ml that got soaked up into the plant material.
Hehe an apirator is for pulling snot out of a baby's nose, a vacuum aspirator is for pulling the baby's head off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-zojM4Gh8
Look at that power, granted his garden hose looks like it put's out some serious PSI. Fuck i think i remember this video from when I tried to build my first vac chamber out of pyrex dishes. I lived off that aspirator for ages before i got a vac.
It's definitely less solvent, I might use 150 ml of solvent and get back 25 grams. What's going in the vac right now is from the photo of an 80% kief pack so we'll see if I can get back better than 25 grams. What's the best with kief is I'll only loose about 15ml to the material where normaly i can loose up to 150ml that got soaked up into the plant material.
Hehe an apirator is for pulling snot out of a baby's nose, a vacuum aspirator is for pulling the baby's head off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-zojM4Gh8
Look at that power, granted his garden hose looks like it put's out some serious PSI. Fuck i think i remember this video from when I tried to build my first vac chamber out of pyrex dishes. I lived off that aspirator for ages before i got a vac.
