easy ryder CFL grow- need some help to specific questions scattered in my post please

gr0wmn88

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ok so this is my first grow. i have a few questions. :dunce: but i'm going to give an overview of what i've got so far first.

my schedule:
i got some easy ryder feminized autoflower seeds from attitude and started soaking two of them on the 19th of February. by the 22nd they had both sprouted little rootlets so i put them in jiffy pots. ( i used #5 jiffy pots and i think i probably should have used a #3 but whatevs.) they both had sprouted and were showing little serrated leaves :leaf: on the 25th. i don't know how old my plants are. its the 10th now so do i count from when i started soaking the seeds (19 days) when they showed rootlets (16 days) or from the first day they broke ground(13 days)? so my first question is which day do i start counting from? i know the plants are supposed to go like 70-75 days from germination- i just don't know exactly which day that was.

next is my set up.
my cab is this homemade wardrobe i found on the side of the road years ago. recently i gutted it and made it white inside. i have 2x 120cm computer fans in the back for exhaust and a big wall vent in the back as an intake. the cab itself is in a closet so the airflow is poor but its my only option and i go in there often with as much co2 as i can exhale.

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the inside is about 12 x 26 inches and i have a little over 20 inches to grow once these ladies are put into the final pots. so i'm hoping the easy ryders can work in that space. as you can see in the above photo i have 2 hanging light fixtures that can move up and down as needed and two fans to hopefully circulate the air.

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this picture shows looking into the cab. ( i know the soil is dry, i watered after this photo) this also shows the distance between the lights and the plants. is it too great? i had the lights about an inch or two above the plants up until today. the cabinet had no fans and only had a 42 watt CFL in each fixture- so i guess 84 total watts. it ran about 80 F like that. but i began thinking it wasnt enough light so

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today i changed the lights to this because i thought i needed more wattage for the plants to veg on. i added two 26 watt bulbs to each side so thats another 104 watts. so i guess now i've got a total of 188 watts in my cab?? it seems much brighter but i can't tell if the girls like it. its only been a few hours and i've spent most of those adjusting things trying to get the temps down. they were up near 100 but i've got them to about 90-92 with the distance and the fans. i think its worth it for the extra light but i'm not sure. what do experienced growers think of my lights?

also the lights are currently on 24/0 but i'm thinking about going to 20/4 soon.

the plants.
ok so these are the girls. the left one first.
thats the taller one that seems maybe a little healthier.
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now the right plant. its a little smaller and doesn't seem to be reaching as much.
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ok so thats what they look like. questions about them:

do they look good? do they look on schedule or are they behind?

are they going to be too hot at 90ish?

the lowest leaves are turning yellow. like the very first ones. i figured that was cause the plant didn't need them so much anymore so i don't think thats an issue, but is it??

nutes so far have been few. the potting soil i got and the seed starting stuff i have my seeds in now are supposed to have enough fertilizer to probably last my grow but i've also been adding ubiogrow. this stuff is all natural and can't burn the plant so i'm thinking i want to use it the whole way through. http://www.ubiogrow.com/ theres the link for more info. what do the pros think of that plan?


ok so to anyone still reading thank you. i know you're probably doing this :wall: but i'm a true n00b when it comes to this and have questions. last section.

future questions.

will the ubigrow be a good solution for these girls?

when will i need to transplant into final pots? and when i do so should i remove the rootball from the jiffy pot? i know i'm not supposed to need to do that but it just doesn't look like roots would get through it to me. i'm probably just worrying too much.

does anyone have experience with this auto strain? or anything helpful to share?

also as some sort of incentive to the community, i'll be sure to keep updates and have a harvest report once i'm finished so everyone can see how things turned out!

peace love and best wishes to anyone who reads this and to anyone who can help
 

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lee harvey

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i start counting once the seed pops threw soil man.. check out my sig.. soon as i saw those beans pop threw soil that was day one
 

faderharley

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1st and foremost, slowdown, your plants will get bigger each day. Leaves yellow usually due to to much watering. I grow aero-hydro, not in soil, but I use nothing but CFLs.

20 inch high cabinet may not be enough grow space unless you trim the plants constantly, which can cause stress, kill the plant. If you have a cabinet to start w/is fine. Keep in mind when you go into flowering, the plant will strech and grow 2/3rds more in size, you won't be able to cut back then, so you may need to move them..

Hoped I helped...
 

gr0wmn88

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ok. great advice thank you. first i gave the plants about half the water i would have given them this morning. it seemed to soak them as much as what i normally use so i probably was overwatering.

so if 20" isnt enough, are there any ways i can ensure i have short plants i can keep in the cab??
moving them out really isn't something i want to do, especially since that closet is my only truly secure area but i guess if its necessary i'll figure something out. but thats still a long ways away
 

faderharley

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ok. great advice thank you. first i gave the plants about half the water i would have given them this morning. it seemed to soak them as much as what i normally use so i probably was overwatering.

so if 20" isnt enough, are there any ways i can ensure i have short plants i can keep in the cab??
moving them out really isn't something i want to do, especially since that closet is my only truly secure area but i guess if its necessary i'll figure something out. but thats still a long ways away
Your growing in soil, so you might be able to grow a scrog set-up. As your plants vegetate, keep topping the plant, in return it will grow 2 toppings back. The toppings are where the plant grows it's flowers which buds out into a cola, hense the smoke you are trying to achieve to harvest, yes?
I grow in a 3.5 'x 4' x 9' closet using cfls, my gals will get as tall as 46 inches, but I don't top my gals, I just let them do what they do. However the Blue Widow colas got so dense and thick the fell over, I had to anchor them upright again, a scrog set-up would had help me for that...

Are you going to keep track of your soil and run-off PH levels and what are you going to feed them? I'll try to help ya as you grow, but you should start a grow journal, alot of excellent growers at this forum that can help...good luck
 

gr0wmn88

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ok so its been a while and things haven't been going well. ok so my plants stopped growing. i've been watering them normally but they got upset when i put in some added cfls. the cab got up to 90 but now i've got it back down to 80 cause i switched to LED - i felt like i had to cause of the heat problem. so the temp is back to where it was when they were happy before i added the extra cfls. but
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the leaves are turning yellow. the middle of each plant is green but the leaves have been yellowing for a while and the next set of leaves won't come out. i've been waiting for days but i'm pretty fuckin certain that easy ryder plants shouldn't have just 4 leaves after 21 days i feel kinda stupid and i figured they'd bounce back but they just kinda have been sitting still and getting yellower. i know the airflow to them is bad. i have to keep the cab in a closet so its secure when i'm gone and i keep the door to the closet open when i'm home with a fan in the door to move air around. thats pretty much the best i can do there.

i also tested the pH on the runoff and it was like 5-6 and i thought that was ok?

the only thing they've been fed so far is ubiogrow. its this all natural shit thats supposed to be good for plants of any age. and when i give it to them i add an ounce to their distilled water and just water the plants. so i would hope that stuff isn't the problem.

should i transplant into big pots? i mean i read somewhere that you can wait until the 3rd set of leaves to transplant ak strains so i was waiting on those but yeah does anyone have any ideas why my girls are yellowing and stunted? can these plants recover?
 

faderharley

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Don't grow in soil, I grow aero-hydro. My PH has to stay at 5.4, soil I think is PH 7.0, run-off perhaps PH 6.5....

Yellow leaves??? are you feeding them any fertilizer or nutrients?

My closet gets as high as 92, but my rez. temps at 65, otherwise, roots cool, tops alittle warm...

Plants at 21 days should look like this, but keep in mind, I grow in aero-hydro :hump:
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Seedlings at 21 days, Blue Widow and Landrace Colombian Gold, grow-#2....

Look at a few soil grow journals, see what they feed them...I use General Hydroponics Flora program w/some Calmag+....sorry if I have not helped much...:-?
 

CFLGREENTHUMB

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I do not think there is a need to transplant as of now. What is your watering schedule because they look like they are getting too much. Other than that it looks like you have everything in check.
 

faderharley

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I do not think there is a need to transplant as of now. What is your watering schedule because they look like they are getting too much. Other than that it looks like you have everything in check.
Back off watering like CFLGREENTHUMB says, see if it makes a difference, they may be getting to much. On my first grow my sprayers were on to long, had to cut back due to some yellowing now I think about.., I assume airflow is still a problem, but switching to LED may be kooler, but is it enough and are you cycling the light?
 

gr0wmn88

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i'm watering when the jiffy pot feels light. like it gets heavy after watering and i wait until it feels dry and light again to water. so i usually give them like 2-3 oz of water morning and evenings? when they look like they need it. should i water even less than that?
 

gr0wmn88

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and the leds seem to be enough light to me but i'm not really sure. and i'm still on 24/0 lighting. i thought about changing that too maybe?
 

CFLGREENTHUMB

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i would stick to watering once on the day that you do water but thats just my personal preference. The light and heavy is ok to judge by but the real way to tell if they need water is feeling the soil. You want to make sure the soil is completely dry before watering again. Stick your finger down in the soil about an inch and make sure you feel absolutely no moisture. Another way to gauge is droopyness. But just make sure that soil is COMPLETELY DRY before watering. Hope this helps.
 

gr0wmn88

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yeah i thought that was about what they should look like. i'm kinda sad mine don't but thats why i'm trying to get them there. and yeah thats a good point about soil. i didn't realize soil aero even existed. so yeah this may be my only soil grow- if i can figure out a soil-less solution that will work for me
 

CFLGREENTHUMB

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yeah i thought that was about what they should look like. i'm kinda sad mine don't but thats why i'm trying to get them there. and yeah thats a good point about soil. i didn't realize soil aero even existed. so yeah this may be my only soil grow- if i can figure out a soil-less solution that will work for me
soil can be a little tough to get the hang of but it definitely will work well once you get the hang of it. plus it is much cheaper. did you read my post above about the watering?
 

gr0wmn88

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alright. thanks for the advice. thats pretty much what i try to do but maybe i'll water even less and see how that goes. also nice grow there cflgreenthumb.
 

faderharley

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alright. thanks for the advice. thats pretty much what i try to do but maybe i'll water even less and see how that goes. also nice grow there cflgreenthumb.
Leave the CFLs on them for 24hrs/day, pull them back off about 8 -12 inches or even further above your plants. Water 1x/day, but insure you have alittle water everyother day sitting in that water catch to induce deeper rooting, believe me mj is a very durable plant...
 

CFLGREENTHUMB

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alright. thanks for the advice. thats pretty much what i try to do but maybe i'll water even less and see how that goes. also nice grow there cflgreenthumb.
thanks i have had my fair share of problems with my grow as well. but that is what makes you feel more accomplished once you get over your problems and those buds are ready to harvest. i think i still have about 20-30 days left on mine but it will definitely be worth it once harvest day gets here.
 
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