El Connoisseur's FLOWERING JOURNAL(weeks 3-9) / OG Kush Fem from Dinafem / (SoG+Schwagger Def/tion).

EL Connoisseur said:

Hello all cannacalties,
the project is for personal use, recreational and also medical purposes..

So let’s start right now!


I just started a Flowring Journal which includes weeks 3-9 of FLOWERING..I will update the journal every week but that doesn’t mean that if I want to update between this period I wont do it..

Well, the strains are Dinafem’s Feminized OG Kush and today they are at day 20 of flowering.

They live in a 1m x 1m tent, into 4x 20L plastic pots.

About lighting I have one Lumatek HPS 600w 400v 2000K (690w sl) + Vipaspectra(VEG spectrum only)(270 true watts) + 35w LED Disano 2100K – [TOTAL: 995 watts Hybrid HPS/LED System FullSpectrum, which is more or less 1700 PAR in total].
I think I have the perfect spectrum which extends from 430nm to 810nm, in an analogy of red blue at 80/20 . I am almost horny .

Also I have Humidifier, Dehumidifier, A/C, and fans for the best environment I can have.
Additionally I have created a ‘’closed’’ environment, with physical air flow(input-output).

I use pure COCO and I feed Flora Nova and BioRoots by GENERAL HYDROPONICS.
All the other supplements I use are by ADVANCED NUTRIENTS (Big Bud, B-52, Bud Cundy, Overdrive, Sensi Cal-Mag and Flowless Finish).
My PH Down is the organic one from CANNA. Also I have CO2 supplement.

About Veg lifetime and training, I vegged exactly 30 days, and I use the SoG method combined with TOP, bending actions, and lollipoping.
I topped once at day 15, at day25 i bended them and cleared the 1st 1/3 of the bottom of the plants, and after 5 recovering days I switched them to flowering.

In Flowering I use the Schwager method of defoliation, but only in flowering.. in veg I don’t defoliate anything due to my fast veg cycle.
That practically means that at Day 20 FLOWERING (for indicas/indica hybrids which are the only strains I grow), I leaf strip the hell out cause my opinion is that from week 4 and then the plant doesn’t need any fan leaves..anyways..after this defoliation I don’t touch the plant till harvest unless if a fanleaf covers a head..only in this situation.
Due to the defoliation the plant has been formed to clear bud sticks, so the possibility a leaf to cover a head is much lower than a not-defoliated plant but this is another story.

HATERS ABOUT DEFOLIATION..THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR YOU unless if you want to change your mind! I know this war will never finish!

Bellow I have some pics from day 20 that is today, from before and after the defoliation, also there is a photo of the early production progress of the buds, and a photo of my whole project.. Bilieve me, 2 days after the defoliation, that is at day 22, they will be ready to start budding like there is no tomorrow ..

I will keep it updated fellas, so you can see the progress by yourselves..

Well, that’s what I had to say in the first update of the journal. I wish you will enjoy it and we can discuss whatever you want..

Ask me whatever you want guys..

I love talking cannabis.

Cheers and keep it Flowering

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Hydro4life said:

Wake and bake!! Thats good to know. So pretty minimal shock from defoliation then aye connoisseur? The leaf thing I think is a good thing. I've also heard that newer leaves are alot more effective at photosynthesis than the older big fans...... I personally think if you get some new bigger leaf growth, it's not a bad thing. Like you said. as long as they don't grow too much!?
And all good bro. It relates to my upcoming grow. So your helping me aswell connoisseur!! I might just throw some ideas at ya here or there..... 2 brains are better than one!

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purpaterp said:

Thanks for the post man. You did a great job with your journal, well written and nice pics. Very well done all the way around. Plants look great! Following this for sure.

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EL Connoisseur said:

Well man, the neweer leaves grow bigger but they are not as MANY as before..
Yes the newer leaves also are more effective at photosynthesis..as i have read..
About shock?..My bro i didnt have noticed anything bad yet..the stretching still exists..like 3-5 cm (1-1.5 inch) per 24 hours..
I am pretty happy with the restoration, with the bud production and also with the stretching and the leave remaking..!
The only left part is to w8 and see the upcoming progress..till now i am really happy with her!
Your grow how is going on?..
i didnt ask you due to all this excitement of my new type of growing!

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Hydro4life said:

Yes sounds promising indeed connoisseur! And I had a white widow x big bud throw out some bananas!! So had to chop her 2 weeks early but got to her before any bananas opened up on my other ladies! My chemdawg is frosty as hell. And buds are starting to swell nicely! I reckon I'll get a pound off her give or take....? The only issue ive had is a touch of light burn. Trying to push her a little too hard with the 1250 - 1300 ppm of co2 i got going on lol. But I'm happy with mine. Just think i can optimise my quality and yield with proper defoliation!!? I'm watchn close brother. Haha.

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EL Connoisseur said:

Nice man nice.. I really wish you the best of!..
I need to get a co2 meter and a par meter also..
I am pretty curious about the co2..
And i want the PAR meter to know about the PARS in EVERY SINGLE SPOT.
But they must be pretty expensive these shiets .
I fuckin love growing cannabis..its a meaning of life!

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Hydro4life said:

Co2 supplementation via generator or bottle? is the shit! You have to make sure you have temps, humidity, nute strength and strong light intensity down to a tee or you won't reap all the rewards adding high amounts of co2 can offer. But when you do master all these for a grow, youll be amazed with the increased size of your colas! Takes a little while to get used to but if you want big yields, co2 is a must in my opinion!!

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EL Connoisseur said:

Definitely bro.. I bilieve the bag which i have now cover my needings for sure..but i would like to have a tester to know about whats going on at any moment..u understand me ..
Yeah all this stuff!
Also i have read that over 900MOL needs Co2 supplement...
before the 900MOL the co2 of the environment is enough..but if you add more than 900 MOL then the plant becomes CO2 ''needer''

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Hydro4life said:

To be honest connoisseur i dont know if those bags would increase co2 levels a hell of a lot...? Would be interesting to put a co2 monitor in there and see what the reading is.... would work better in a small tent id say but if your constantly extracting air then I reckon alot of what it produces would be vented out!?? What is MOL??

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EL Connoisseur said:

Well as i said in the 1st article i have created an almost closed env..the air exchange physicaly..i dont have exhaust fan..i have the tent always opened and i have made the whole room a growing environment..the exchange is done physically when i open the door for example...or from the air licks which may be existing..so the co2 from this bag doesnt get out of the room..and if does, this is a very small amount which is exhausted..

About MOL:

As a rule of thumb uMOL is an indicator for the amount of light a plant can receive..
And this has direct relationship with the CO2 levels.
You can and you must study about it..you will understand many things..Try to find information in google and read them man.. its really interesting..
PAR= umol/m2/s
The light which a plant can get..Well this is the rule of thumb..there are plenty of artichles and info you can find..i have spent a lot of time to learn this info..i cant tell you from here everything about it..
But bilive me..its very interesting!

Take this also ..
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Hydro4life said:

If your growing in a pretty much sealed room then those co2 bags must emitt a half decent amount of co2 I'd say! I'd say their better than what i originally thought!! Ohh ok. I get it. Yea I don't bother with par readings too much personally. As you know I generally grow scrog. So I just put alot of effort into maintaining an even canopy and watch the plants closely for any signs of light/heat stress. I pretty much only use a lux meter when setting up my lighting for distance between lights and strength of light when overlapping each other. That's just what i do but im sure using MOL would be more accurate. I will check it out a bit later. Worth a read 4sure!!

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EL Connoisseur said:

If you read the above comment, i edited it.. i plus some info..check this out!
REMEMBER: PAR=umol/m2/s So..
Actually if you try for THE BEST YIELD..you must reach 2000PAR(sunlight) in the right spectrum..Thats the ideal!
Now if you will do it via HPS or LED, via 1400w or 600w..is another issue..(speak always for 1 m2).
I have now more or less 1700PAR..next year i ll try to have 2100PAR and i think this is the maximum PAR that i can have, cause after this.. you over passing the nature, and the lightburn will come even with low temps which we can have from the technology (A/C, High Effiency in PAR per watt from LEDs, Fans and stuff like that!).

Also take this 2 articles..will help you and everyone here who wants to learn (if he doesnt already known this stuff).

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Beachwalker said:

Going to follow along! I'm a big fan of defoliation, I just defoliated this plant this morning.. Good luck!

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SSGrower said:

Those bags have a lower co2 output than you do. I used colormetric tubes to evaluate the exhale brand, unless yours is significantly different, they are expensive trinkets. Air exchange is a betrer option imo.
A 1 gallon fermenter is more effective at raising co2 and cheaper to operate. That said Im not sold on co2 supplentation or pushing the peddal all the way to the floor (in a grow room, car differnt story).

For the record your defol looks well done. Best of luck.

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SSGrower said:

Those bags have a lower co2 output than you do. I used colormetric tubes to evaluate the exhale brand, unless yours is significantly different, they are expensive trinkets. Air exchange is a betrer option imo.
A 1 gallon fermenter is more effective at raising co2 and cheaper to operate. That said Im not sold on co2 supplentation or pushing the peddal all the way to the floor (in a grow room, car differnt story).

For the record your defol looks well done. Best of luck.

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Groat21 said:

Even cheaper option is to mix up some sugar/yeast/water. 3 cups of sugar/2 tbsp of dried activates yeast, then fill halfway with water. Lasts 2-3 weeks, I shake mine up every day.

Also a quick suggestion, wouldn’t having the co2 source near the bottom be better? Yours is right beside the exhaust, would think it would be more effective on the floor/under the canopy.

By the way, I don’t mean this as criticism. Your setup blows mine out of the water!

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Hydro4life said:

Co2 is heavy, the general idea is to let it "rain down on the plants" the stomatas are on the top of the leaves and absorb the co2 better this way. I used to use the sugar/yeast/water mix also but didn't notice any difference except the smell to be honest. (Had about 8 bottles in a 2m x 2m x2m tent) and used to shake them up once or twice a day. I now use a co2 generator with ppm controller and when everything is dialled i really notice the difference.

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