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Roger A. Shrubber said:

his screen is full and it looks like the plant isn't finished stretching yet. he already has at least 6 inches of growth sticking up through the screen....kind of defeating the purpose of the screen. he could use a bigger screen.
as far as height above the plant, you need a reasonable space, but it's dead, non-productive space....why make it bigger than it needs to be? i'd stick around 8 inches personally....then you don't have so much larf to get rid of, it's above the screen turning into buds...look at all the branches he cut off under there, could have left half of them and gotten them producing if the screen was 3 or 4 inches lower

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So let me preface this by saying I'm not trying to argue with you, I honestly live in a place where I don't know any growers so I literally have learned everything from experience or RIU lol. So first things first, I still have 1-2 squares around the perimeter to tuck my chutes into, so I'm actually hoping my plant can even fill the screen...secondly, what do you mean by defeating the purpose of the screen? I thought the point of the screen was to make the canopy level. Last but not least I definitely see what you mean by dropping the screen, I left it that high because I didn't know how sharply I would be able to bend the chutes. Now that I've seen that they seem to handle it just fine I will definitely lower the screen next time. Thanks for your advice and critiques much appreciated!

Giddy up said:

So let me preface this by saying I'm not trying to argue with you, I honestly live in a place where I don't know any growers so I literally have learned everything from experience or RIU lol. So first things first, I still have 1-2 squares around the perimeter to tuck my chutes into, so I'm actually hoping my plant can even fill the screen...secondly, what do you mean by defeating the purpose of the screen? I thought the point of the screen was to make the canopy level. Last but not least I definitely see what you mean by dropping the screen, I left it that high because I didn't know how sharply I would be able to bend the chutes. Now that I've seen that they seem to handle it just fine I will definitely lower the screen next time. Thanks for your advice and critiques much appreciated!

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I can second that, I've learned 100% of everything I know from YouTube, RIU, and Google! it's a great thing, when all these older master growers come in and school us! I don't think they will ever know how much they are truly appreciated!

Giddy up said:

So let me preface this by saying I'm not trying to argue with you, I honestly live in a place where I don't know any growers so I literally have learned everything from experience or RIU lol. So first things first, I still have 1-2 squares around the perimeter to tuck my chutes into, so I'm actually hoping my plant can even fill the screen...secondly, what do you mean by defeating the purpose of the screen? I thought the point of the screen was to make the canopy level. Last but not least I definitely see what you mean by dropping the screen, I left it that high because I didn't know how sharply I would be able to bend the chutes. Now that I've seen that they seem to handle it just fine I will definitely lower the screen next time. Thanks for your advice and critiques much appreciated!

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the point of the screen is to open the plant up so as many bud sites as possible get full lighting and grow much fuller and larger than they normally would....at least to me...
so i would use a larger screen, if room permits, to spread the plant out more, exposing more of it to the light.
most of the stuff sticking up in that second picture, i would have tucked into the screen, only a couple of inches at the end of each stem sticking up

Makes sense. I will probably rearrange my room after this first grow, the reason I put the screen so high is because my control res is only about two feet away from the plant and I needed to be able to open the lid...next time I will try to center the plant so that I don't have to have my AC, control res and dehumidifier on the same side, that might make some room for a bigger, lower screen. My gf wants me to grow a sativa next time lol so if the blackwater is stretching like this I will definitely need a different strategy with a sativa.

Greenthumbs256 said:

I would have to measure the net for you, but I believe it's about 20inches above the top of the tote.

here's a link to my journal/experiment/ just what ever thread lol, there a few pages, but some good info if you don't mind reading! but remember I'm still working on this, nothing is set in stone, and the recipie is for sure still changing, so some of the original info on the first page or 2, may have been changed!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/greens-gorilla-glue-4.979073/

and here's a link to the sip pot design...

https://www.rollitup.org/t/diy-sip-pot-sub-irrigated-planter.979706/#post-14589325

and as for how to tell when the sip is empty or full, if you look closely at this pic below you will see, a small hose sticking out the bottom and going up, all this is, is basically a grommet with a tube attached. I drilled an extra hole and shoved it in. this way depending what the rez water level is at, I can clearly see from the outside, also if u noticed above that(don't know if you can see it in this pic) but I have an over fill hole, it's basically just a hole, below the inch air gap, that let's the water spill out if it gets too full!
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Any trouble with the small hose growing algae? I love the idea but with my talent(?) for algae I'd be nervous.

led1k said:

Any trouble with the small hose growing algae? I love the idea but with my talent(?) for algae I'd be nervous.

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not when you use em1 in the rez!

Greenthumbs256 said:

not when you use em1 in the rez!

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So the critters in EM1 out-compete or kill algae?

led1k said:

So the critters in EM1 out-compete or kill algae?

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I think it's more than that but yes, em1 is a living thing, and algae will not grow with it

They used it in New Orleans after Katrina, sprayed homes and used it in paint to help retard mold.
I used it for years in the golf biz for a number of uses, disease control, pond management, added it to compost that I mixed with greens and tees topdressing.
It is good stuff. You need to read the books to get a full idea of how and why.

Hey everyone,

Sorry it’s been so long. Lost a couple loved ones, working on workbench projects and heading back to school, etc etc.

I’m still scrogging in my V shaped SCROG. I had some setbacks related to timing and thrips. Once the thrips were controlled it took awhile for my plants to recover.

I’m scrogging Skywalker OG currently, 1 18 gallon soil/hybrid set up. Have a large Tangie plant that will be flowered next and then another run of Small Tangie pots.

Today aim going to be practicing cloning. I converted one of my household closets into a cloning chamber, with timer, T5HO lighting and a tray and some.

I have to say my V SCROG has helped a lot in terms of back pain. A lot easier to defoliate something that rises up on the edges! Also.... using the light efficiently, getting the outer vegetation closer to the light.

sog scrog

Hi, here's my first attempt at SCROGing. The bigger plant is Chocolope the smaller one Sour Diesel. The grid is about 8" above the soil line and both plants are about 45 days from seed now. Just a couple of questions:

1. I'm keeping the chocolope canopy pretty squat, but its dense. I can see the moisture between overlapping leaves.

Should I not tuck fan leaves? It would make the top less dense
Should I defoliate/light prune to open the canopy up at this point?

2. The Choco will swallow the Sour Diesel if I veg too much. Any suggestions on when to flip?

Roger A. Shrubber said:

the point of the screen is to open the plant up so as many bud sites as possible get full lighting and grow much fuller and larger than they normally would....at least to me...
so i would use a larger screen, if room permits, to spread the plant out more, exposing more of it to the light.
most of the stuff sticking up in that second picture, i would have tucked into the screen, only a couple of inches at the end of each stem sticking up

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Hello, I’ve been following this thread and for the first time, imgrowing my plants using LST to ‘flatten out the canopy’ I have a question, should I now install a trellis net over the tops now or should I let these plants grow out? They are about 6weeks old, topped during week 3 and did LST to the new top shoots. This is what I got... thank you for any help or suggestions.

I’m using Roots707, Emerald Harvest 3-Part Pro series nutes, Ful-Power, Hydrogezyme, also, lighting is 3 Quantum Boards, 2 3000k and one 4000k. They need to be moved to my flower room but would like to know if it would be worth the time to add a scrog trellis or just let them go. My biggest concern is that since cannabis plants are apical dominant, that the new top shoots from the mains are going to be undernourished and the actual top colas have literally grown about 10” horizontal from center... will they be strong enough to support large colas or am I stuck with having to install a trellis. Much love to all you fellow growers! Keep fighting the good fight!

if you want a scrog, this would be the time....they look ok the way they are,if you're happy with them that way.
you should actually get them involved with the screen as soon as possible, if you're going to. makes it a lot easier to get them woven into the net if they grow into it, much less chance of breakage

3 s@nnie’s herijuana at about 28 days.

Zappa66 said:

3 s@nnie’s herijuana at about 28 days.
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Amazing canopy! What's underneath and how long did you veg to get that full?

led1k said:

Amazing canopy! What's underneath and how long did you veg to get that full?

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Not super clean under there! Lol. This is a new 2’x4’ tent, ended up being a bit shorter than my old 20”x3’ tent so I had to have the screen lower to the floor than I’m used to. The upshot was I never had the gumption to belly crawl under there and defoliate.

I believe I popped the 3 fem seeds some time end of October beginning of November.

They ended up in ~4-5gal pots not sure exactly how big.

Edit, I think my secret sauce is 1) topping 4-5 times before adding the screen. 2) defoliating the canopy hard at 2-3 week’s flower. 3) tucking through the first week or two of stretch.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

if you want a scrog, this would be the time....they look ok the way they are,if you're happy with them that way.
you should actually get them involved with the screen as soon as possible, if you're going to. makes it a lot easier to get them woven into the net if they grow into it, much less chance of breakage

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Thank you Roger, this was my first grow utilizing LST and it’s definitely been a more interesting growing experience. I have a question, has anyone ever used LED light nets, (the ones used to wrap Christmas trees, to place over your plants in place of a square framed network of wires or nylon. Whatever you use to make the trellis. Here is a photo of what I’m referring to. A friend of mine turned me into this idea and I just don’t see the intensity of the lights doing anything. I believe my light is strong enough to where it will wash out any ‘red’ that is emitted from these “Net Lights”. Thanks everyone!

JayBio420 said:

Hey everyone,

Sorry it’s been so long. Lost a couple loved ones, working on workbench projects and heading back to school, etc etc.

I’m still scrogging in my V shaped SCROG. I had some setbacks related to timing and thrips. Once the thrips were controlled it took awhile for my plants to recover.

I’m scrogging Skywalker OG currently, 1 18 gallon soil/hybrid set up. Have a large Tangie plant that will be flowered next and then another run of Small Tangie pots.

Today aim going to be practicing cloning. I converted one of my household closets into a cloning chamber, with timer, T5HO lighting and a tray and some.

I have to say my V SCROG has helped a lot in terms of back pain. A lot easier to defoliate something that rises up on the edges! Also.... using the light efficiently, getting the outer vegetation closer to the light.

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I'm setting up a v screen. ABout 30" wide x 6' long; then a 45 degree slant. Each slanted leg is 16" which makes the total width at the top about 4'. With a 1000w the lumens seem to start dropping off at 15" from the center; so thats when the 45 angle starts. Not sure where to place my 6 plants. Seems like smackdab in the middle then train the branches outward. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Sorry about your losses.

dorje said:

I'm setting up a v screen. ABout 30" wide x 6' long; then a 45 degree slant. Each slanted leg is 16" which makes the total width at the top about 4'. With a 1000w the lumens seem to start dropping off at 15" from the center; so thats when the 45 angle starts. Not sure where to place my 6 plants. Seems like smackdab in the middle then train the branches outward. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Sorry about your losses.

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I have one huge plant in the middle, and my v is is like yours with a middle and two 45 degree rising slants, and a 600 hps. Place them in a row of 3 long and two deep and train out. Advice i can give is take care of your plants, dont neglect, dont slack, keep airflow excellent and declutter under your canopy early and often. When it gets carried away its 10x harder. Dont overfeed, over or under water. Spend time with your girls and recognize happy, stressed and diseased states.

As for me, my harvest is in 2 weeks out and Im just watching them plump up and ripen. Expecting 14+ ounces of sticky.