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dapio

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Wow, this scrog shit is new on me but I like it. I have a plant I'd like to try this on. It is a bushy clone standing about 8" right now. Could easily see leaning under a screen. Looks great, turns one plant into four.

However, are you guys all using florecenct lights, or do you have hps or mh? It seems to me I never got the real solid buds from florecencts or LEDs.

If I scrog one plant at a time, do I need a 400w, or will a 150w do?
You can use a 400watt or a 150 watt just depends on your personal preference. However, whatever choice you do finally make the screen should be measured out accordingly to the area of penetration from your light. Check out my 150W scrog if you have time; its a nice little low maintenance grow so far.
 

woodsmantoker

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mrpete,

Thanks for the share, hope you are enjoying your run. Looks like you may benefit from a bit of foliage removal soon and possibly a secondary screen support. Whats your lighting looking like? Watch for fungus, keep the air moving.

Woodsmantoker~
 

619OG

Member
Couldn't agree more... Gotta be cruel to be kind...

This will give you an idea of what to do buddy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFS05dmlCBE
wow what a great video!! definitely deserves some +REP.

BTW thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread! I'm almost done reading through the whole thing and i want to say what an amazing compilation of information about scrogging and growing in general :bigjoint:

I am currently about to begin my scrog and had a couple questions which i hope could be answered...
First, i fimmed my plants about a week ago to above the 6th node prepare for the screen and the undergrowth immediately began to respond to the redistribution of auxins and all began growing. After about 5 days of this the plants had grown well however the branches had not yet broke the canopy yet so i decided to LST them to allow more light to all the nodes. My question is should I have waited on LST til the plants reached the screen and then began training along the screen? or should i just keep going and train the lower branches once they reach the screen? my worry is that with so many branches it will get too crowded and i won't have room to train along the screen, the screen will just act as somewhat of a support...

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Second, when i fimmed, i literally went to the veryyyy top most growth like, literally like the smallest growth maybe a couple millimeters, and snipped that off. After i did this like i said the lowest nodes began to sprout immediately but none of the top most nodes did... is this because i left underdeveloped leaves on the top so the nodes were also underdeveloped and are not sprouting? there has been slow growth of the top most leaves but still not really any sprouting and it's been almost 2 weeks. Should i just top the nodes the aren't sprouting and sacrifice it? I have at least 14 branches on each without the fim area so if those begin sprouting i might be overcrowding myself even more.
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Sorry for the poor quality on the pictures and the length of my post! Any feedback would be very appreciated thank you :D
 

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woodsmantoker

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619OG - Glad to have you friend. There are many here who have contributed wonderfully and I encourage you all to let them know it! Thanks for the kind words.


So in regards to your questions, are the posted photos current in the timeline of events? If so you have plenty of time to ponder and prepare. If not, and you are currently in the screen post em up would ya?

The objectives in training for scrog may differ from garden to garden/grower to grower, etc. but the overall goal remains the same; fill the screen. Training then means that the gardener is working to achieve a full even canopy in the most convenient and timely way. As you can imagine the arguments for what methods work best and why, are as deep and wide as any other that have evolved in cannabis cultivation debate. Scrogging is obviously possible for any grower including the new. Effectively achieving an ideal run each time at it however, is something that typically takes a more broad knowledge and understanding of cannabis cultivation in general as well as the techniques used, and awareness of how individual strains respond to various methods of training (ie. stress). If you have time, search for reviews and other threads on the particular strain you are working with. If nothing else, review the breeders notes on cultivating the strain. You will likely have a better feel for what methods of training are going to help you in getting to the next step. If you are unfamiliar with the name of the strain you have chosen (bag seed), work with the plant and get to know it. If its not worth the time, its likely worth finding a strain that is. As you better your understanding of how the plant grows, your ability to scrog the plant will also improve.

Some strains work well trained early into a bush and then managed through a screen for the remainder of the first few weeks into flower. Others work well by being trained into the screen after meeting it, and then being manipulated to grow horizontally until the screen is filled. And then there are also the plants that do not lend well to training at all and do best in a SOG garden. Know your plants. Its a huge help.

For indicas that remain squat and close at the internodes, raising lights in order to space them accordingly works for some in order to achieve a more workable plant during training. Once the "bush" has been achieved, and there are enough branches/tops to fill the screen nearly full, the screening work can be done (placing each branch in its proper opening in the screen, removing lower foliage and inadequately lit branching etc.), and the lights can be lowered to the proper distance from the canopy for cola production.

The best results for us typically come from those tops that remain in a vertical position from the time they begin flowering, until the time they are harvested. This means ensuring that training has been completed and that each branch/top has a vertical position at the time of which flowering begins. Branches that remain leaning or horizontal will respond to their relative position in relationship to gravitational force (see gravitropism), by stretching or elongating in order to re-position vertically (popcorn on a stick Vs Cola/large bud).
 

woodsmantoker

Well-Known Member
TRAINING - (Via Fimm or Topping) "What happens and why"
Apical Dominance

Growth of the shoot apex (terminal shoot) usually inhibits the development of the lateral buds on the stem beneath. This phenomenon is called apical dominance.
If the terminal shoot of a plant is removed, the inhibition is lifted, and lateral buds begin growth. Gardeners exploit this principle by pruning the terminal shoot of ornamental shrubs, etc. The release of apical dominance enables lateral branches to develop and the plant becomes bushier. The process usually must be repeated because one or two laterals will eventually outstrip the others and reimpose apical dominance.
Apical dominance seems to result from the downward transport of auxin produced in the apical meristem. In fact, if the apical meristem is removed and IAA applied to the stump, inhibition of the lateral buds is maintained.

Read more at:
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/A/Auxin.html
 

woodsmantoker

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"I guess the better question
I would still judge that based on the same principles as I would have for the first question. There is quite the resource here, and enough information to likely answer most any question you may have. Most questions these days are several times repeated and answered in pages past. I have no problems rephrasing things for someone, but my time unfortunately is limited at best, and if yours by chance is not, I would suggest and hope you could take some time to read through some of the contents. If you get to the point where you need or would like further clarification, I would be happy to help. If opinions are what you seek, I am sure many here would be happy to lend you their own.

Maybe elaborate a bit further on your situation/setup/strains etc. and we can toss you a bone buddy. Without further knowing what the situation lends to, It would be nearly impossible to even give an opinion. Ebb and flow is more stationary a set up than I prefer to operate in scrog personally, but I have seen it done well. GreenLab posted some nice shots of a table setup with ebb n flow recently, take a gander through the thread, you may be pleased at what you find.
Woodsmantoker
 
Thx again man. Ive been through dozens and dozens of pages and am just trying to figure out the best set up.

I have a 600 watt hps lamp and have 4 mother blueberrys. I cant decide which would give me a bigger yield, 2 clones grown scrog under the 600, or 12 clones grown normally, guess i can just do it and see what i get
 

619OG

Member
Woodsman - Thank you for taking the time to give me such an in-depth response to my question, it is greatly appreciated and the best help I have received so far here! Definitely deserves a fat bong toke bongsmilie lol

As for the pictures posted yes those are up to date I took the ones with the screen right before my post and the other pic is from a couple of days earlier. I raised the lights as well when I installed the screen with the hope they would stretch more so glad to see positive feedback on that:bigjoint: thank you!
Also I know I have some time before i hit the screen which has allowed me to ponder long and hard as you said and do a lot of research but these babies are seeds of ken's cut and there aren't many journals from seed. I have found a lot of god information though and taking in what you said I've got a good design of how I want to train the girls on the screen now. Thank you for all the advice i'll keep updating!

My biggest concern still is the fimmed area. I've been debating just topping it off and jus not worrying about the extra growth, what do you think since I've fimmed already? Oh yea sorry also what about raising plants that are shorter to the screen to ensure training on the screen at the same time? Any negative effects of that?

Thank you all again for your time and help, any feedback is helpful and appreciated, everyone's knowledge and experience are all welcome :)
 

soldier coleone

Active Member
alright im doing a scrog i flipped already and im aware of the stretch but when is the best time to bend them under the screen? when they first wake up or when reason being is i snapped the hell outta one of my main tops and all of the other branches are getting hard to bend
 

mike91sr

Well-Known Member
Time of day isn't gonna affect whether or not you break them when training.. That said, I like training at lights-on, as the plants reach towards the light all day instead of remaining tucked until lights on anyway.

Also, a picture of my ScroG. Left to Right- 3 platinum OG, 3 purple kush, 3 super lemon haze, day 12 from flip.

 

mike91sr

Well-Known Member
Oh yea sorry also what about raising plants that are shorter to the screen to ensure training on the screen at the same time? Any negative effects of that?

Thank you all again for your time and help, any feedback is helpful and appreciated, everyone's knowledge and experience are all welcome :)
Only negative is that you may find an underfilled center and crowded outer area of the plant's footprint. Being that you're suddenly bringing all this undergrowth to the screen, it takes time for those shoots to try and catch up. Meanwhile, the rest of the plant will still be going full-bore. I've done it to numerous plants with no real negatives, just try to do it at least a week or two before flower, and don't go too aggressive before you get a feel for what the plant will do in response. Woodsman may have some better advice, just my two cents from my little experience with scrogging.
 
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