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I wanted to let you folks know that I will be here for direct questions and to help out where needed. I am encouraging others to get involved with answering questions and developing new ideas so I will be on the side lines allowing the community to be a larger part of this thread. Thanks guys for all your contributions and efforts, you are greatly appreciated and your help here is priceless.

I will begin answering direct questions by adding my response to the original post itself with an editing option given to moderators. So if you are back to the thread looking for a response, check your original posted question for my comments please.

Thank ya folks!
Woodsmantoker~

woodsmantoker said:

Hey Trichomedome,

I am thinking you may want some more time with filling. Whats your lighting looking like when its in place above the canopy, can you give us a shot of the garden in swing?

Woodsmantoker~

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here,s a pic it,s a single 600w. I,ve changed the screen, it,s now full size 1.5 m3, and cable tied to the corners "as above" the feet were to much hasle to work around Thanks TCD

After you change to 12/12 do you still keep tucking shoots under ? Or once it,s ready to flower you leave it ? thanks TCD

trichomedome said:

After you change to 12/12 do you still keep tucking shoots under ? Or once it,s ready to flower you leave it ? thanks TCD

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Yes, tuck for the first 7-14 days depending on strains. Pure indica with little stretch I'd tuck 7 days and a 10 week sativa I would tuck for the full 14 days.

Someguy15 said:

Yes, tuck for the first 7-14 days depending on strains. Pure indica with little stretch I'd tuck 7 days and a 10 week sativa I would tuck for the full 14 days.

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Thanks again someguy for the input TCD........ P.S i see you,ve done blue mystic how did you rate it ?

What about what,s left under the screen ? How tight do you cut the underside, Till now i,ve left the shoots that are within screen range aprox 2" below, everything else is cut off. I,m a 1st time scroger hence the silly questions Thanks TCD

not silly questions.....good ones. i clear all growth under screen in a couple of sessions. i just hit my screen, but will not have time to train much. i have to advance this grow. i have to get away or lose my mind.......lol. gardening is a prison sentence in a way.

i just removed a bunch of leaves and re-positioned new growth

scroglodyte said:

not silly questions.....good ones. i clear all growth under screen in a couple of sessions. i just hit my screen, but will not have time to train much. i have to advance this grow. i have to get away or lose my mind.......lol. gardening is a prison sentence in a way.

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I was told years back your posesions will end up posesing you . Very true indeed imo. I,ve taken the underside of a bit at a time, but it,s now time for the last folige to be removed.

*** I believe life without ganga, would be a prison sentence far worse my friend!***
Woodsmantoker~


Sorry another question, when the leading heads are growing out and they have the next branches and the tip together ? is it best to leave it put the shoot out it,s self or is it best taken and spaced out. I hope that makes sense if not i,ll sort a photo, i,d do it just now but it,s a grolux bulb that,s in. there crap for photo,s. Btw i,ve been experimenting with mixing hps and m.h during veg the dual spec apears to create bigger leafs and the m.h keeps them in check with regards to node spacing. It,s hardly sceintific but it,s what i see. can anyone comment on this aproach ??? thanks folks TCD

*** Thanks for your patients while the thread was under repair. I may not be picking out exactly what your asking and you may need to rephrase it however; If your asking about training into the screen and weather or not to allow tips and the internode below it, to emerge through the screen and on above?, I would suggest this as a rule of thumb: allow all tops/tips/and what growth comes with, to grow vertically above the screen the same distance from one hole to the next (or two). Once that distance has been gained in vertical height, it can be pulled back down through, and over to the next open space. If the tip/top makes it to a new opening, place the tip up through that hole insuring adequate lighting, and repeat... Hope this addresses your question, if not, shoot again pal.***
Woodsmantoker~

your question kinda confused me lol

THE THREAD SHOULD BE REPAIRED AT THIS POINT HOWEVER: If anyone experiences troubles, please contact the site admin or myself. Thank you, and I appreciate you all for having been so patient.

3-19-12 TGA Jillybean 20 days into flower. GL80, 400w CMH, 10gal air pot of soiless

trichomedome said:

I was told years back your posesions will end up posesing you . Very true indeed imo. I,ve taken the underside of a bit at a time, but it,s now time for the last folige to be removed.

*** I believe life without ganga, would be a prison sentence far worse my friend!***
Woodsmantoker~


Sorry another question, when the leading heads are growing out and they have the next branches and the tip together ? is it best to leave it put the shoot out it,s self or is it best taken and spaced out. I hope that makes sense if not i,ll sort a photo, i,d do it just now but it,s a grolux bulb that,s in. there crap for photo,s. Btw i,ve been experimenting with mixing hps and m.h during veg the dual spec apears to create bigger leafs and the m.h keeps them in check with regards to node spacing. It,s hardly sceintific but it,s what i see. can anyone comment on this aproach ??? thanks folks TCD

*** Thanks for your patients while the thread was under repair. I may not be picking out exactly what your asking and you may need to rephrase it however; If your asking about training into the screen and weather or not to allow tips and the internode below it, to emerge through the screen and on above?, I would suggest this as a rule of thumb: allow all tops/tips/and what growth comes with, to grow vertically above the screen the same distance from one hole to the next (or two). Once that distance has been gained in vertical height, it can be pulled back down through, and over to the next open space. If the tip/top makes it to a new opening, place the tip up through that hole insuring adequate lighting, and repeat... Hope this addresses your question, if not, shoot again pal.***
Woodsmantoker~

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Thanks budy that,s exactly what i was meaning.
Also i have another question about the stuff under the screen, There are leafs above the screen but originate from below it. Aprox 50% of them are big fan type leafs i,m a bit hesitant on removing these ? what should i do with them ? thanks Woodsmantoker. I,m glad the thread is up and running again top notch TCD

TCD

Foliage removal is controversial to say the least. Good rule here is, crowding mean issues and thus clutter must be removed before moisture is trapped and fugal problems arise. Shading can be counter productive and if tucking is not an option, removal is likely the better choice. Folks, when your scrog is a mass of bush above the screen, think support. You will need it. In our gardens, a secondary trellis simply for support is added to catch towering colas. GL

Woodsmantoker~

woodsmantoker said:

TCD

Foliage removal is controversial to say the least. Good rule here is, crowding mean issues and thus clutter must be removed before moisture is trapped and fugal problems arise. Shading can be counter productive and if tucking is not an option, removal is likely the better choice. Folks, when your scrog is a mass of bush above the screen, think support. You will need it. In our gardens, a secondary trellis simply for support is added to catch towering colas. GL

Woodsmantoker~

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Thanks Woodsmantoker i know for a fact there,s moister getting traped where the leafs lie over each other it,s very crowded so i,ll remove them, Also i,ve got pea netting to use for a second support, i just hope i need it lol
Thanks Woodsmantoker you,re a great help regards TCD

i think i might start flowering mine then i can start work on another project

Mr. Decepticon: we have itchy scissor fingers do we?

Where you at in your fill pal?

Woodsmantoker~

QUESTIONS FOR THE MASSES:
Does a given strain have a set production cap? At what point is a cannabis plant unable to produce more? If a plant is capable of say 5 pounds outdoors, what happens when you train the same plant into a larger plant than it was when producing that amount, then flower? These are the questions that SCROG can answer.

Who's up for challenges?

Lets change the game.

MMJ states limit on plant count, and typically limit the amount possessed to a said "usable" amount. I question, as do many, where and at what point does cannabis truly become "usable"? Most likely that's not a bag our opposition would like opened in court. Now I for years and years, have fought the stereotypical perception that cannabis use means smoking it. Though regardless I still find that in almost all arguments on cannabis use as a medication, positions are formulated from a perspective that combustion of raw cannabis (and that which may consequently be on it/in it) certainly occurs. What is often missed however, is the advantage that these stereotypes give MMJ supporters. If a jury is predisposed to the notion that cannabis is smoked, arguments that wet cannabis is not usable stand quite firm. When the plant is still growing, it is hard to argue that amount as usable... Thus, if the market changes with the times, cannabis can be obtained non-usable and the effort of dry/cure can be placed in the hands of the user or "middle man", eliminating the chances of contamination even further. I pose this for the community because I would also like to propose the idea that our limitations as patients only pertains truly, to our ability to thinking outside the box. I suggest we do the opposite. As scroggers, we know that plant limitations do not necessarily limit our ability to produce. What I would also like to suggest here today, is that some individuals take on the challenge of addressing the question of how much one plant is capable of producing using scrog. This "how much is possible" question arises in online cannabis related forums however, as scroggers have a serious ability to take the argument out of contention, and leave the question more, what are YOU able to produce. I myself am quite aware that trellising cannabis can give you a much larger plant than is perceived possible. The amount produced from that plant then, also is commonly perceived as impossible. Now, standard growing practices do not necessarily give you the foresight to plan accordingly. Standard lighting, feeding, reservoirs, etc. can all be altered to meet most any demand however, this is where innovation is required. These are the things that limit most from considering something like this. However, knowing it is possible, changes not only our goals, but our market and the products being produced for it, and would likely become more commonly addressed by innovators within the industry making it more feasible for the common folk. I would like to challenge some of you to take this on. I have. I know now, that our ideas of what the cannabis plant is capable of are often naive and supported by those same limitations mentioned above. If you have questions or need ideas, I would be happy to share. GL!

Woodsmantoker~

i do love cutting away leaves i found less leaves = more light penetration, i dont like the tucking method it just gets in the way of new growth

i didnt fill out like the last grow but some branches come out past the bucket
this strain has given me problems from the start i figured id flower it and move on to something eles