eport: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare

Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
“One of our primary concerns is that you’ve got an aging physician workforce and you have these new beneficiaries — these newly insured people — coming through the system,” he said. “There will be strains and there will be physician shortages.” Ah, I see, we should not afford every person medical care because to do so would incurr doctor shortages, there should be a group of people who are not entitled to care because of that vanishing resource.
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If there's not enough to go around, somebody gets shorted. You attributing evil intent is stupid.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
Oh? what is a "good" doctor? one who is in it for as much profit as they can? or someone who signed on to doctoring in the first place as a way for them to help their fellows. The second group will be just as "good" under the new system as they are now. The first? maybe they will find another profession.
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So how many patients can the four doctors in the second group take care of?
 
canndo

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Red1966 said:
If there's not enough to go around, somebody gets shorted. You attributing evil intent is stupid.
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If there is not enough to go around after we decide to treat everyone but there is enough to go around before, fine I suppose but to use that shortage as a reason not to include everyone in a pool is indeed.. evil.
 
canndo

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Red1966 said:
So how many patients can the four doctors in the second group take care of?
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Your assessment is that only 4 doctors got into their profession in order to help people and the rest simply to make money. Red, there are far easier ways to make money than spend double the average amount of time in school and then do residency work for another set of years. I contend that most doctors get into the profession for things other than the buck.
 
Red1966

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canndo said:
If there is not enough to go around after we decide to treat everyone but there is enough to go around before, fine I suppose but to use that shortage as a reason not to include everyone in a pool is indeed.. evil.
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Unfortunately, I think the elderly will feel the brunt of any shortages. Obama has already transferred $600 billion away from Medicare.
 
Red1966

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canndo said:
Your assessment is that only 4 doctors got into their profession in order to help people and the rest simply to make money. Red, there are far easier ways to make money than spend double the average amount of time in school and then do residency work for another set of years. I contend that most doctors get into the profession for things other than the buck.
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The cost of getting into the profession is very high, in time and money both. Yes, there are easier ways, but they require a good bit of luck and skill, too. Even a shitty doctor makes a lot of money. I guess we'll just have to disagree on their motives. Regardless of their motives, most of them charge dearly for their services. Some do a little pro bono work, but even those limit that, and charge their paying customers enough to compensate for the pro bono.
 
BA142

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Dunno if somebody posted this already, but Politifact already slapped the shit out of your stupid right wing claims. FALSE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/12/jeff-duncan/gop-lawmaker-jeff-duncan-repeats-survey-finding-83/

Survey experts expressed some concerns about its design, noting that it's difficult to get accurate surveys on specific groups and occupations.
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The DPMAF was transparent about its methodology. The survey was conducted by fax and online from April 18 to May 22, 2012. Of 16,227 faxes that were successfully delivered to doctors’ offices, 699, or 4.3 percent, submitted responses.

Experts said they were concerned with two aspects of the poll:

• Respondents weren’t given much of a middle ground. The choices for answering this question were "makes me think about quitting," "I’m re-energized" and "unsure/no opinion."

"It’s a poorly worded question that does not offer a complete range of likely alternatives, such as 'no effect,'" said Don Dillman, an expert in mail-based polls and a professor at Washington State University. Charles Franklin, a polling specialist at the University of Wisconsin, agreed that the response categories offered were "odd."

In addition, interpreting the question requires caution, because asking about whether someone has "considered" something as dramatic as quitting their lifelong profession is a long way from saying they will do so.

Serkes acknowledges this. "Do I expect doctors to quit en masse? " she said. "No, I don’t. Doctors don’t do anything en masse in the U.S."

• Because the response rate was only 4.3 percent, it’s hard to gauge how representative the survey was. A different recent survey of doctors with a similar response rate -- conducted by the Deloitte Center for Health Solutions -- took the extra step of weighting their sample "by years in practice, in combination with gender, region, and specialty to reflect the national distribution of physicians in the (American Medical Association) master file." DPMAF did not.

If a respondent knew about or could detect DPMAF’s conservative policy orientation from the questions, or if they learned about the group’s orientation during the weeks-long period they were given to turn in the survey, they might have been likelier to take part. If they disagreed with the group’s stance, they might have been less likely to take part.

Still, there’s no way to prove that DPMAF’s sample was biased. Either way, Serkes noted that her group never claimed scientific authority for the poll. "We didn’t say specifically that this was a scientific poll, nor did we state confidence levels or margins of error," she said. "We were very transparent about that."
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The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[SUP][1][/SUP] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[SUP][2][/SUP] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[SUP][3][/SUP] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."[SUP][4][/SUP]

Ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council

The DPMA is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). DPMA Chair and Co-Founder, Kathryn Serkes, is on ALEC's Health and Human Services Task Force.[SUP][5]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Doctor_Patient_Medical_Association



Any Questions? :-o[/SUP]
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[SUP]All that really needs to be said about the survey and the people taking the poll[/SUP]
 
nontheist

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UncleBuck

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the methodology of this survey reminds me of the one crackerjax posted during the health care debate asserting that 45% of doctors would quit if it passed.

it was a poorly worded survey mailed out to a whole bunch of old doctors, got alarmingly low response rate, and was published before all the results even came back.

yet crackerjax pointed to it like a trump card, just as nontheist and rollindud, resident douchebag righties, are doing.

well, it passed and 45% of doctors didn't quit to the surprise of no one whatsoever.

right wingers are douchebags.
 
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nontheist said:
PolitiFact revises after caught in yet another bogus fact-check
http://www.bluestatepress.com/politics4/news_006.htm
They now have a rating of "mostly true" HAHA get that shit off here
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PolitiFact wrote, "Obama is correct on both counts, when using private-sector jobs numbers." "But he went too far when he implicitly credited his administration policies. So we rate the statement Half True."

Credited his administration's policies? The president's statement was that businesses have created more than 3 million jobs in the last 22 months and last year and last year they created the most jobs since 2005. This is "half-true" because he credited his administration policies? How? By simply stating a FACT that happened on his watch?


ChesusRice said:
The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[SUP][1][/SUP] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[SUP][2][/SUP] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[SUP][3][/SUP] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."[SUP][4][/SUP]

Ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council

The DPMA is a member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). DPMA Chair and Co-Founder, Kathryn Serkes, is on ALEC's Health and Human Services Task Force.[SUP][5]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Doctor_Patient_Medical_Association



Any Questions? :-o[/SUP]
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